Mixed doubles, suicidal ladies, and feeling guilty for not feeling guilty

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In the past I've scoffed at guys who say they can't hit hard serves in USTA mixed doubles because they're afraid of hurting the women. With the angles involved serving from the doubles position you should be at least 85 feet apart, so unless you're John Isner she should be able to at least not get hit, right?

Well there seems to be this new fad in women's 3.5-4.0 tennis. Suddenly all of these women think they're Fed and they're returning serve halfway between the baseline and service line, trying to chip and charge. Some of the ladies at my club who take clinics have confirmed to me that the pros have started coaching them to do it. Lots of ladies at this level have slow pancake serves that they push towards the sidelines of the service box and by standing in, the returner can cut off the angles and hit an approach shot right off her opponent's serve.

I don't have a monster serve by any means but I have some lefty movement and I hit the curtain around 3' up on a good first serve. My serve is good for my level but I certainly don't think about hurting people with it -- normally. But now this spring I'm looking over and seeing all of these dumb women standing just behind the service line to return my first serve.

Usually the first serve she doesn't even swing at, she just kinda flails the racket and tries to get out of the way if necessary. I feel a little bad about that, but then on the next point to her side, there she is AGAIN standing 4' behind the service line. I'm thinking, WTF? In guys' tennis, standing there is a challenge: it's basically saying, "you serve like a total pansy." If I see a guy standing on right top of the service line on my first serve I'm going to hit the hardest body serve I can and hope it gets him in the nuts, and I would expect my opponent to do the same to me if I were to try to stand there. But it seems like ladies just don't get it.

Just this weekend I had two matches in a row, a 7.0 match and an 8.0 match, where I rung up the free points on my first serve against stubborn women crowding the service line. I nearly hit them each several times (I think I even did clip them once or twice), but they just won't back up. Heck, I ended up serving more "gently" to the guy because he stood back in a normal receiving position, giving me more flexibility to use spin and placement as opposed to relying on body serves. But for the first time, I do feel guilty about serving hard to women -- just not quite guilty enough to give up the easy points. What should I do?
 
OrangePower has the right answer. Or find a 9.0 mixed team, where the female is the stronger player. I've played social mix where ladies try this half volley ROS on me. Just hit high slow kickers or heavy slice to the sidelines of the service box. They will not be able to handle it because they do not face spins like this playing other ladies. Vary the amount of spin and it will completely befuddle them. They will shank the ROS. 3 cents. :)
 
Hit a big topper and aim it between their legs. I actually saw this happen, this little Asian stock broker, very tightly wound, she was very short and wore very tight tennis skirts. She would bend her knees on ROS and squat real low. One night on the challenge court a ball went up her skirt and stuck--she had to pull it out by hand.
 
Welcome to mixed doubles. Its so "fun" right? Getting to socialize with the women and play "fun" tennis and whatnot.

In all seriousness though, 7.0 and below mixed doubles is some of the least fun tennis you will find. 8.0 is tolerable. 9.0 may actually be enjoyable, depending on who you are playing with. But at 7.0 you have people who are either scared of the ball or not scared enough of the ball, no sense court positioning, etc. When I used to play 7.0 mixed, I was definitely worried about hurting someone, especially the 3.0 ladies who were paired with 4.0 men. It's just part of playing mixed doubles.
 
If the ladies aren't getting hit, or aren't complaining, keep firing body serves at them. They get hit in the kitty cat once or twice... they'll back up.
 
Maybe talk to the opposing male and tell him his partner is gonna possibly get killed next time you serve?
 
I have won more 7.0 mixed matches as 4.0 guy percentage wise than any other league and you don't have to target women to win.

But here is my answer:

3.0 players are like gumballs in a dispenser. While they may come in multiple colors (red, blue purple, yellow, white, green and orange), five seconds after you are chewing they all taste the same. All 3.0 women try to poach balls that 4.0 guys wouldn't poach. They all reach and they all wait for you to set up a point with a short ball before they pounce on it and dink it back in play very short and very soft. Enough.

I was asked again and again to play. My answer: $50 a match, $75 for each practice and if we lose a match, the next match is $100.

These women look at me like I am crazy and I ask them to look at my 7.0 record the past five years and explain why I shouldn't be paid to put up with 3.0 women who "love the pace". Barf

When I see a 4.0 guy playing 7.0 mixed all I can think is: "I am so thankfully it isn't me out there"
 
I don't choose to play mixed for various reasons. But I see this on women's courts all of the time.
I believe that very few women work to develop their serve at least at the 3.5 level. I do work on mine so it plays to my advantage.

In singles and doubles, I see the opponent standing even 2 feet off the service line. I love it. I either hit a hard T on the deuce side, or a hard body shot to the Ad side.

For the few that are so stupid as to not back up after having this happen to them a few times, I don't mind if they get hit. Amazingly, I had one complain that I was trying to hurt her. No, I am trying to win you ninny.

To counteract the short dink angled serve I receive from some women at the 3.5 level, I too have to come up towards the service line in advance of returns. But I am going to make that adjustment AFTER I learn a little about their serve not before.
 
g4driver said:
3.0 players are like gumballs in a dispenser. While they may come in multiple colors (red, blue purple, yellow, white, green and orange), five seconds after you are chewing they all taste the same. All 3.0 women try to poach balls that 4.0 guys wouldn't poach. They all reach and they all wait for you to set up a point with a short ball before they pounce on it and dink it back in play very short and very soft. Enough.

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I wish that I didn't agree with you.

If you are going to poach, Commit, don't reach. And put it away or stay in your spot.

If we are both at the net and I am on Ad side ... if it is a middle ball, it is mine. Not yours with your lame backhand volley. Stay away.
 
The other side of the coin that I didn't mention in my first post is that my partner loves it. Every time I blow one past the opposing woman she's like, "Great serve! Do it again!" Lol.
 
I'd warn Harley Quinn that I have a good serve and she should back up to the baseline if she doesn't want to get hit. If she doesn't listen I'd serve like I would if she listened.
 
OnTheLine said:
I wish that I didn't agree with you.

If you are going to poach, Commit, don't reach. And put it away or stay in your spot.

If we are both at the net and I am on Ad side ... if it is a middle ball, it is mine. Not yours with your lame backhand volley. Stay away.
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Unless I'm in front of you and have more angle because I'm closer to the net and I'm also closer to the opposing net man so if I target him, he has less time to react. Then I'm taking it.
 
S&V-not_dead_yet said:
Unless I'm in front of you and have more angle because I'm closer to the net and I'm also closer to the opposing net man so if I target him, he has less time to react. Then I'm taking it.
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More of why I choose not to play mixed ... the male always has some convoluted reason as to why it is their ball. At almost no point is one person's backhand volley better than another person's FH volley. Unless it's mixed doubles and you are playing with a man and it's his BH.
 
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More of why I choose not to play mixed ... the male always has some convoluted reason as to why it is their ball. At almost no point is one person's backhand volley better than another person's FH volley. Unless it's mixed doubles and you are playing with a man and it's his BH.
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If my partner is at the net already and I've just hit an approach or serve and am coming to the net, a ball which comes to my partner that is chest high might come to me at my shoelaces in NML. In that case, the "closer to the net" idea supercedes "FH takes the middle", IMO. High-level doubles players try to cut off as much as possible when they are at net; that's one of the keys of a team holding serve, not just how good of a serve it is. The benefit is that the opposing net man is a lot closer of a target for the net man vs the approacher, giving the opposing net man less time to react.

I would restate the guideline to "all other things being equal, FH takes the middle".

It's not a "male vs female" thing; it's a "who is in better position to win the point" thing. If my partner, female or male, is on top of the net and can take a middle ball with her BH volley, more power to him/her. If my partner is consistently not putting them away, I will start calling for the ball if it's to my FH.
 
OnTheLine said:
I don't choose to play mixed for various reasons. But I see this on women's courts all of the time.
I believe that very few women work to develop their serve at least at the 3.5 level. I do work on mine so it plays to my advantage.

In singles and doubles, I see the opponent standing even 2 feet off the service line. I love it. I either hit a hard T on the deuce side, or a hard body shot to the Ad side.

For the few that are so stupid as to not back up after having this happen to them a few times, I don't mind if they get hit. Amazingly, I had one complain that I was trying to hurt her. No, I am trying to win you ninny.

To counteract the short dink angled serve I receive from some women at the 3.5 level, I too have to come up towards the service line in advance of returns. But I am going to make that adjustment AFTER I learn a little about their serve not before.
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the comparison of 3.0s to gumballs made my night. honestly that is fantastic. The good thing about being rated 4.5, i'm ineligible to play 7.0. :)
 
BeyondTheTape said:
the comparison of 3.0s to gumballs made my night. honestly that is fantastic. The good thing about being rated 4.5, i'm ineligible to play 7.0. :)
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Trying playing 7.0 mixed with a 3.0 who forgot to take her adderall. [emoji83]

https://www.drugs.com/amp/adderall.html

Played with two of them on the same team. The Captain's wife is the only reason he plays 7.0 but he would always put out [emoji90] lineups after we won the local playoffs so his 7.0 team never advanced at State while he and other 4.0 guys could play 8.0 and 9.0

The 3.0s still haven't figured out why he could lose at 7.0 yet win at 8.0 and 9.0 Brilliant move. [emoji2]. But finally sad "NO MAS" to his team due to the gumballs.

tennisrecord has the Captain, his best friend and me all rated at 3.96 are higher. Those two guys and a 4.5 won 8.0 40+ MIxed Nationals last year. He and the other 4.0 guy are much better than me, but he can't say no because of his wife. He wants to get bumped so he can't play 7.0
 
OnTheLine said:
More of why I choose not to play mixed ... the male always has some convoluted reason as to why it is their ball. At almost no point is one person's backhand volley better than another person's FH volley. Unless it's mixed doubles and you are playing with a man and it's his BH.
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Completely disagree with this. When you play some 4.0 players, most 4.5 players and every 5.0 player their backhand volleys are generally better than their forehand volleys.

At higher levels everyone's backhand volley should be equal to or better than their forehand volley if you know what your doing.

A greater number of backhand volleys will naturally occur in a match than forehand volleys simply due to one simple fact: a forehand volley doesn't work when a ball is hit directly at your chest (center of mass ) all the way to your toes. Only a backhand volley can handle that shot, where a forehand volley physically doesn't get the frame in position.
 
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A greater number of backhand volleys will naturally occur in a match than forehand volleys simply due to one simple fact: a forehand volley doesn't work when a ball is hit directly at your chest (center of mass ) all the way to your toes. Only a backhand volley can handle that shot, where a forehand volley physically doesn't get the frame in position.
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Good point; I hadn't considered this angle.

I agree: I can reflex volley a lot better with my BH than my FH simply due to anatomy - the BH can reach comfortably considerably further on the FH side compared to the FH reaching to the BH side.

And for me at least, I tend to do less with my BH volley than my FH and thus, it's more consistent.
 
On the BH volley, yes more natural or reflexive .. .but wouldn't you say that it is a more generally defensive shot than the FH volley?

And seeing as how I do not like to have @g4driver ever disagreeing with me ... the original discussion was not about a volley coming to a person, but to a shot down the middle between the partners ... on that I think I will stay with the point that the ball belongs to the partner on ad court for their FH taking @S&V-not_dead_yet 's caveat of "all things being equal"

I still dislike mixed.
 
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On the BH volley, yes more natural or reflexive .. .but wouldn't you say that it is a more generally defensive shot than the FH volley?
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Not at all. A backhand volley should be no different than a forehand volley, since over your lifetime of tennis you should hit more backhand volleys. Unlike many players who run around backhand groundstrokes, the closer you are to the net, the less likely you are able to "run around " a backhand volley to hit a forehand volley.

As you close the net (e.g. from the baseline and you get a ball below your knees ): the first volley should be low and deep allowing you to continue to close. The second volley should be the put away volley. If you want to get better at tennis, this needs to be accomplished from both wings equally well.

It is ok to disagree with civility and respect and you have clearly mastered both of those. [emoji4]

If my medical appeal to 3.5 goes through, we can play 7.0 mixed and I won't "take your ball" but if your on Adderall, I'm out. [emoji102]
 
OnTheLine said:
On the BH volley, yes more natural or reflexive .. .but wouldn't you say that it is a more generally defensive shot than the FH volley?
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Depends on the height and pace of the ball. Typically BH volley is more natural and consistent, but harder to generate power especially on higher balls. So if we are talking about a low ball or a ball hit with pace, BH volley probably better than FH. If a ball that is a floater, FH volley probably easier to put it away with, unless standing really close to the net (angle volley).
 
My BH volley is a work in progress ... high BH is the stronger, mid to low and I am slicing it for some unknown reason ... always gets in, becomes a low troublesome shot for the opponents BUT it is definitely not a putaway.

My hatred of Mixed goes back to my Alta days in Atlanta playing in the 90s. Played at 6.1 and 6.2 depending on the years ... the number of times I landed on my *** because partner shoved me out of the way while I was about to volley, overhead ... whatever I cannot count. It was hell and I am still licking 25 year old wounds of my pride. Perhaps I will get over it some day and try it out again.

Thanks for the kind words ... .civility above all else.
 
Personally I love playing 7.0 mixed, but I don't have a big serve that scares women. It's placed well enough that it gets me lots of easy sitters for my partner.

But I play it really as a social event rather than something to focus on winning only as the goal. Every time I'm out on the court is an opportunity to learn something and get better. Usually with intermediate mixed leagues its learning how to put away short balls and when to poach in a CC rally.
 
Just remember that for every man who is laughing about a woman who whiffed on his kick serve, there is a woman who is laughing about a man who tried to act all macho and slam her second serve for a winner but dumped it into the net multiple times.
 
OnTheLine said:
My hatred of Mixed goes back to my Alta days in Atlanta playing in the 90s. Played at 6.1 and 6.2 depending on the years ... the number of times I landed on my *** because partner shoved me out of the way while I was about to volley, overhead ... whatever I cannot count. It was hell and I am still licking 25 year old wounds of my pride. Perhaps I will get over it some day and try it out again.
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Does this ring any memory bells [see 0:19]:


Or this:

 
g4driver said:
Not at all. A backhand volley should be no different than a forehand volley, since over your lifetime of tennis you should hit more backhand volleys. Unlike many players who run around backhand groundstrokes, the closer you are to the net, the less likely you are able to "run around " a backhand volley to hit a forehand volley.

As you close the net (e.g. from the baseline and you get a ball below your knees ): the first volley should be low and deep allowing you to continue to close. The second volley should be the put away volley. If you want to get better at tennis, this needs to be accomplished from both wings equally well.

It is ok to disagree with civility and respect and you have clearly mastered both of those. [emoji4]

If my medical appeal to 3.5 goes through, we can play 7.0 mixed and I won't "take your ball" but if your on Adderall, I'm out. [emoji102]
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Not sure I have followed your injury close enough. Just curious, how long does it take for a medical appeal to be granted? Is it similar to a normal appeal where you must wait until the new year end ratings are out or can you medically appear earlier? Is it a longer process?
 
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Not sure I have followed your injury close enough. Just curious, how long does it take for a medical appeal to be granted? Is it similar to a normal appeal where you must wait until the new year end ratings are out or can you medically appear earlier? Is it a longer process?
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I haven't filed it yet and was being a bit sarcastic. If I get bumped and can't appeal down, I will file for certain. I have had three back surgeries (two in 2008) with the most recent one in Jan 2017. The last one was the easier recovery of the three.

Medical appeals aren't online and there is a panel of USTA folks who review them and almost always deny. Even with titantium screws in my back due to a 2008 fusion, with pressure on the disc above and below the fused part, the USTA would likely deny my medical appeal.

After surgery # 3, my singles days are over, but the USTA thinks I improved after the Jan surgery. [emoji780][emoji780][emoji780]. What they don't see is a bunch of weak opponents who hit to me instead of the 3.5 guys I played with in three matches.

I played five spring matches, in three of them I played with 3.5 players vs 4.0 opponents losing 25 games or an average of 5 games per match. That skewed reality vs what the USTA algorithm thinks I should be. Tennisrecord and Schmke have me in the 3.99 to 4.04 range but Schmke thinks my last match should keep me where I belong at 4.0 or at worse case I should be able to appeal down since I only played five matches.
 
No offense but it doesn't seem as if you should be granted a medical appeal. Your dynamic rating from 2008 - 2016 would speak much louder to me than the surgeries at this point.
 
kevrol said:
No offense but it doesn't seem as if you should be granted a medical appeal. Your dynamic rating from 2008 - 2016 would speak much louder to me than the surgeries at this point.
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I didn't have a dynamic rating from 2008 to Dec 2010 as I stopped playing in 1999, self rated in 2007 and herniated a disc 3 months into my return in Aug 2007. I didn't pick up a frame again until Aug 2009, two years after the injury. It took that long to recover. I wasn't computer rated until Dec 2010.

Eventually I will stop playing tennis, because I prefer walking over the alternative. Made the decision to stop playing singles last month as I don't want a 4th back surgery. I simply can't move like I did in 2016. Work is a bigger problem than tennis, but singles doesn't help a busted back.

I am happy at 4.0 but 4.5 is a joke. Back surgeries aren't like knee replacements, as these is no disc replacement. Both S/I joints hurt ever day of my life, hopefully over time that goes away. My back hurts ever day. It will never be the same. I just don't complain about it. It is better than having cancer and I am thankful I can still play doubles. Winning at this level is still more mental than physical, and 75% of my opponents beat themselves with their own errors and poor decisions.
 
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time_fly said:
In the past I've scoffed at guys who say they can't hit hard serves in USTA mixed doubles because they're afraid of hurting the women. With the angles involved serving from the doubles position you should be at least 85 feet apart, so unless you're John Isner she should be able to at least not get hit, right?

Well there seems to be this new fad in women's 3.5-4.0 tennis. Suddenly all of these women think they're Fed and they're returning serve halfway between the baseline and service line, trying to chip and charge. Some of the ladies at my club who take clinics have confirmed to me that the pros have started coaching them to do it. Lots of ladies at this level have slow pancake serves that they push towards the sidelines of the service box and by standing in, the returner can cut off the angles and hit an approach shot right off her opponent's serve.

I don't have a monster serve by any means but I have some lefty movement and I hit the curtain around 3' up on a good first serve. My serve is good for my level but I certainly don't think about hurting people with it -- normally. But now this spring I'm looking over and seeing all of these dumb women standing just behind the service line to return my first serve.

Usually the first serve she doesn't even swing at, she just kinda flails the racket and tries to get out of the way if necessary. I feel a little bad about that, but then on the next point to her side, there she is AGAIN standing 4' behind the service line. I'm thinking, WTF? In guys' tennis, standing there is a challenge: it's basically saying, "you serve like a total pansy." If I see a guy standing on right top of the service line on my first serve I'm going to hit the hardest body serve I can and hope it gets him in the nuts, and I would expect my opponent to do the same to me if I were to try to stand there. But it seems like ladies just don't get it.

Just this weekend I had two matches in a row, a 7.0 match and an 8.0 match, where I rung up the free points on my first serve against stubborn women crowding the service line. I nearly hit them each several times (I think I even did clip them once or twice), but they just won't back up. Heck, I ended up serving more "gently" to the guy because he stood back in a normal receiving position, giving me more flexibility to use spin and placement as opposed to relying on body serves. But for the first time, I do feel guilty about serving hard to women -- just not quite guilty enough to give up the easy points. What should I do?
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I think the ONLY time I've ever played mixed doubles is because I had the hots for this girl, and she would ask me to play doubles (not really mixed, it was she and another guy, and me and a guy....).

With all the potential drama, why o why do you guys play competitive/league mixed doubles? Seriously, I'm asking....
 
time_fly said:
In the past I've scoffed at guys who say they can't hit hard serves in USTA mixed doubles because they're afraid of hurting the women. With the angles involved serving from the doubles position you should be at least 85 feet apart, so unless you're John Isner she should be able to at least not get hit, right?

Well there seems to be this new fad in women's 3.5-4.0 tennis. Suddenly all of these women think they're Fed and they're returning serve halfway between the baseline and service line, trying to chip and charge. Some of the ladies at my club who take clinics have confirmed to me that the pros have started coaching them to do it. Lots of ladies at this level have slow pancake serves that they push towards the sidelines of the service box and by standing in, the returner can cut off the angles and hit an approach shot right off her opponent's serve.

I don't have a monster serve by any means but I have some lefty movement and I hit the curtain around 3' up on a good first serve. My serve is good for my level but I certainly don't think about hurting people with it -- normally. But now this spring I'm looking over and seeing all of these dumb women standing just behind the service line to return my first serve.

Usually the first serve she doesn't even swing at, she just kinda flails the racket and tries to get out of the way if necessary. I feel a little bad about that, but then on the next point to her side, there she is AGAIN standing 4' behind the service line. I'm thinking, WTF? In guys' tennis, standing there is a challenge: it's basically saying, "you serve like a total pansy." If I see a guy standing on right top of the service line on my first serve I'm going to hit the hardest body serve I can and hope it gets him in the nuts, and I would expect my opponent to do the same to me if I were to try to stand there. But it seems like ladies just don't get it.

Just this weekend I had two matches in a row, a 7.0 match and an 8.0 match, where I rung up the free points on my first serve against stubborn women crowding the service line. I nearly hit them each several times (I think I even did clip them once or twice), but they just won't back up. Heck, I ended up serving more "gently" to the guy because he stood back in a normal receiving position, giving me more flexibility to use spin and placement as opposed to relying on body serves. But for the first time, I do feel guilty about serving hard to women -- just not quite guilty enough to give up the easy points. What should I do?
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Probably not a bad tactic... IMO
at 7.0 and 8.0 mixed... presuming the guy is no more than 4.0...
* guys usually miss their first serve... 50/50 at best
* if they get it in, women have no chance except to lob it anyway (ie. net person will put away most floater returns)
* by standing in, at least you get into the head of server... who usually HIT HARDER
* only have to worry about getting out of the way of the first serve which you'll probably lose anyway
* <= 4.5 - most folks don't have a 2nd serve that will do any damage, and best to move up anyway (especially on women's serves) - taking it early eliminates unplanned poaching

in general sounds like it's working against you..

personally when someone does that i'll go for flat/kick body serves,... and just worry about getting it in the box...

[edit] best is avoiding mixed :) unless it's with women .5 level or higher, than me
totally stupid how usta does mixed ratings... but they have to avoid sexism, etc...
i think UTR would solve this.
 
So a friend of mine was playing mixed last night for a league match, I was finishing a clinic and went over and watched.
This is 6.0 mixed. He is a mid to strong 3.5, his partner a 2.5.

ODG potentially the worst thing I have ever seen. She was a lunatic and just like OP or someone said, went for poaches that made no sense, framing them into adjacent courts .. he asked her to Stay In Her Spot multiple times. He and the other dude just cross court baseline rallied half the time as if the other two weren't on the court.

I really do not know why people would want to play this as anything other than a social. These are advancing leagues so they must be actually trying to make it a competitive venture, but I cannot fathom why.
 
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* if they get it in, women have no chance except to lob it anyway (ie. net person will put away most floater returns)
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@ 7.0 assuming guy is no higher than 4.0 Your statement here is just plain false. Maybe "most" or "many" but definitely not all.

Returning a up to and including 4.0 1st serve from a man is not that difficult, and I don't mean blocking it but returning it with intention. Some of us practice that. Even if we don't play mixed.

A 4.5 or an outlier 4.0 top level server, yeah, going to have problems and am going to block it.

I think in general in rec tennis, there is not enough practice time dedicated to ROS or to serves for that matter.
 
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So a friend of mine was playing mixed last night for a league match, I was finishing a clinic and went over and watched.
This is 6.0 mixed. He is a mid to strong 3.5, his partner a 2.5.

ODG potentially the worst thing I have ever seen. She was a lunatic and just like OP or someone said, went for poaches that made no sense, framing them into adjacent courts .. he asked her to Stay In Her Spot multiple times. He and the other dude just cross court baseline rallied half the time as if the other two weren't on the court.

I really do not know why people would want to play this as anything other than a social. These are advancing leagues so they must be actually trying to make it a competitive venture, but I cannot fathom why.
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6.0 mixed with a strong male must be the worst thing ever. 2.5 ladies are terrible. They barely can judge where a ball is going to land let alone get into position to do anything but bunt it over the net. It's like me facing off against a 5.5 male in singles. It would be a sad joke.

No one should play competitive tennis until they are 3.5 at minimum. Maybe 4.0. Below those levels it should be for fun and improvement.

I play in leagues as a 3.5 and I certainly am mostly focused on just trying to get better rather than winning. Winning at 3.5 is like getting a medal in the special olympics.
 
Watching any of these when a little frustrated with our performance is a great way to feel better!

I have often thought the net is too high, especially if I am having an off day! :p

If I ever see the "selfie guy" ... I will likely walk off the court

"The Bouncer" HATE THEM, so annoying
 
Atlantans must be the odd balls then. All the people I know Iove the mixed seasons here. I go to hit quite frequently year round and I can hardly go to my three parks without seeing some mixed going on be it practice or matches. Regular doubles practices are nonexistent and actual men's doubles matches are rare for me to see.
The teams I see regularly do take their mixed very serious.
 
The most annoying player ever I have heard about is without a doubt PoMo inventor bssh. From this forum.


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Remember a middle aged beginner who insisted on playing with us bunch of us intermediates. She was a journalist with political connections so the owner of the academy was reluctant to tell her off and begged us to accommodate her until he found a solution. So...she insisted on standing right behind the service line to receive my serves. I cast one sympathetic glance at her partner and just went all out with fast and flat serves. Her racquet didn't move an inch as the ball passed her. And the amazing part was in spite of missing all these serves, she wouldn't adjust her receiving position. Maybe she thought she could somehow learn to return it...or, really, God knows what she was thinking or whether she tried to think! One day during drills, she was picking up balls close to the net even as one of the guys had started hitting off the coach's feeds. I think you can put two and two together and guess what may have transpired! But, I say with no remorse or guilt, good riddance! She was the most unpleasant person to have to play with.
 
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