Mixing a edged poly with a multi? Bad Idea?

[JackB1]

Would it be a bad idea to do a hybrid with a soft multi like NRG2 with a
edged copoly? Will the edged copoly saw into the soft multi mains quicker than a round copoly would? Is it better to mix an edged string with another edged string? I could try that new Dunlop edged multi? Also, is there a difference depending on which string is in the mains and which is in the cross, when mixing a edged copoly with a multi?

thanks

 

[MuscleWeave]

I'm wondering what purpose putting an edged string in the crosses serves. Does it add directional control? I thought the purpose of the edges was to colide with the ball, to impart spin. In the crosses the edges are going in the wrong direction. But people have tried it and they like it. Don't let me and my logic stand in the way of your fun.

Maybe the edges line the ball up for the collision with the mains?

How does this work?

MW

 

[mikeler]

A lot of good questions here. My only experience with hybrids showed that a rough synthetic gut cross would fray more than a smooth synthetic gut cross when paired with a smooth poly in the mains.

 

[JackB1]

I'm wondering what purpose putting an edged string in the crosses serves. Does it add directional control? I thought the purpose of the edges was to colide with the ball, to impart spin. In the crosses the edges are going in the wrong direction. But people have tried it and they like it. Don't let me and my logic stand in the way of your fun.

Maybe the edges line the ball up for the collision with the mains?

How does this work?

MW

I would guess, edged poly crosses would serve the same purpose as any poly in the crosses. I use a multi main/poly cross hybrid to tame the power of the multi some and to add a little extra spin. I also feel the poly cross adds spin on slice and kick serves and also on backhand slice.

My main question was regarding the durability of having edged poly's crossed with round soft multi's? Are edged poly's more suited to be crossed against another edged string?

 

[cmendez79]

I have only used poli main and multi cross.

I have Signum Tornado in Mains and X-One in crosses , and the durability is HORRIBLE, the tornado eats all the way thru the x-one in about 1.5 hours into playing.

The feel is great but the durability is a great factor.

I hope it helps.

 

[JackB1]

I have only used poli main and multi cross.

I have Signum Tornado in Mains and X-One in crosses , and the durability is HORRIBLE, the tornado eats all the way thru the x-one in about 1.5 hours into playing.

The feel is great but the durability is a great factor.

I hope it helps.

You should try Hyperion in the mains. It's round, unlike Tornado and should last much longer for you.

 

[bad_call]

better to use a hard smooth synthetic or soft smooth poly in the crosses with an edged poly in the mains. recall using msv hex mains and BAM crosses that played better than hex with syngut crosses. multi crosses fray too quickly and "lock" the poly mains.

 

[Bedrock]

It is a good idea.

 

[g4driver]

Will the edged copoly saw into the soft multi mains quicker than a round copoly would?

I say yes. I've used Black Code and Genesis Typhoon Mains with soft multi crosses like Prince Premier LT and X-One. I've also tried smooth co-polys (Hurricane Feel, Scorpion) with X-One Crosses. The textured and shaped mains cut into the my crosses quicker, than the smooth co-polys. So I get more shelf-life out of smooth co-polys when mixed with multifilament crosses.

Also, is there a difference depending on which string is in the mains and which is in the cross, when mixing a edged copoly with a multi?

Yes. For two reasons. First, if you don't hybrid a frame, the mains will almost always break first, since they are the dominate string. Second, by reversing the order and putting the soft multi in the mains and textured poly in the crosses, you will get even less life out of the mains, as the mains are the predominant string. Meaning you should and will in all likelihood break the mains first.

In my hybrid setups, the 16g multi cross always breaks before the 17g co-poly main. I get by with a 17g poly main/16g multi cross or 18g poly main/ 17g multi cross (for people who don't break a lot of strings and still want hybrid setups). Again, normally the main will break first, but in this case, the crosses do simply because the multi is a much softer stringer.

The only time I put poly in a cross for myself, is when I use gut mains, and I never use textured polys with gut for the reasons stated above.

When I have chronic string breakers (guys that pop strings in 8-10 hours), I have found using a 16g cross with a 17g main will generally get 15-18 hours out of a set of strings.

Finally, I haven't found that any textured or shaped poly give me any more spin than some of the round co-polys with the exception of Genesis Typhoon. But Typhoon doesn't have the feel of Hurricane Feel, and nothing I've tried so far has beaten the Hurricane Feel / X-One setup except VS Touch/ Hurricane Feel. Given the price of the Hurricane Feel / X-One setup, I can't justify the cost of gut.


Hope this helps Jack.

 

[JackB1]

Thanks g4. Great response!

 

[g4driver]

Thanks Jack. Try the Babolat Hurricane Feel / NRG2 setup. Great feel and plenty of power.

The problem I have is for the string breaker's: they pop X-One 16g or NRG2 16g quickly, so I have to use Prince Topspin 16g. Prince Topspin last a lot longer than X-One or NRG2. I would love to find something else for them to try. Maybe N.VY 16g might work.

Any suggestions for these hard-hitting guys? They don't want to use Kelvar or full poly, so I thought maybe N.VY 16g might work better for them than Topspin.

I am stringing up a Dunlop 300 tomorrow am with Weiss Cannon Black5edge Mains / Prince Topspin 16g. The Black5Edge is textured, just like Volkl Cyclone. Topspin is durable. That is one nice thing about it. I don't like it, but some guys ask for it, so I just do what they ask.

 

[bad_call]

...Finally, I haven't found that any textured or shaped poly give me any more spin than some of the round co-polys with the exception of Genesis Typhoon.

have u tried Blue Gear 1.28?

 

[g4driver]

have u tried Blue Gear 1.28?

No. Haven't tried it. But I have read the reviews on here and it's a well received string.

I guess Blue Gear Ultra is out now also, twisted and textured, like Genesis Typhoon. I will buy a few packs and demo it.

Currently, I am happy with my current setup of Babolat Hurricane Feel 17g / X-One 16g. If the price were cheaper, I'd be even happier.

 

[mikeler]

Thanks Jack. Try the Babolat Hurricane Feel / NRG2 setup. Great feel and plenty of power.

The problem I have is for the string breaker's: they pop X-One 16g or NRG2 16g quickly, so I have to use Prince Topspin 16g. Prince Topspin last a lot longer than X-One or NRG2. I would love to find something else for them to try. Maybe N.VY 16g might work.

Any suggestions for these hard-hitting guys? They don't want to use Kelvar or full poly, so I thought maybe N.VY 16g might work better for them than Topspin.

I am stringing up a Dunlop 300 tomorrow am with Weiss Cannon Black5edge Mains / Prince Topspin 16g. The Black5Edge is textured, just like Volkl Cyclone. Topspin is durable. That is one nice thing about it. I don't like it, but some guys ask for it, so I just do what they ask.

I've tried Prince Topspin 15g twice in full jobs and both times it lasted me 2 sets. Interesting that it seems to last much longer as a cross.

 

[jjs891]

I've been playing with Technifibre NRG2 for a long time. Recently I started to hybrid with soft copoly crosses to tame the bed and get more spin.
I used Prosupex Big Ace which is round and smooth. It worked well.
I also liked Genesis Hexonic which is smooth but edged.

Both set-ups worked well for playability but very poor in durability. I really didn't notice much difference in durability between the two.

 

[bad_call]

I've been playing with Technifibre NRG2 for a long time. Recently I started to hybrid with soft copoly crosses to tame the bed and get more spin.
I used Prosupex Big Ace which is round and smooth. It worked well.
I also liked Genesis Hexonic which is smooth but edged.

Both set-ups worked well for playability but very poor in durability. I really didn't notice much difference in durability between the two.

poor durability using NRG2 mains and poly crosses...try putting poly in the mains and see if durability increases.

 

[g4driver]

Mikeler,

I started out with Topspin 15L for one 4.5 guy who was breaking X-One in the crosses in less than three 2.5 hour sessions on Har-Tru. 15L last him a month, so I switched to 16g for him and two other string breakers. The 16 gauge Topspin last him about two to three weeks (18-22 hours) in a Babolat PDGT+ with Hurricane Feel 17g mains.

Another guy no longer breaks any of his strings. He cuts out his strings every two weeks, as soon as the mains move beyond his "limit". He has me string all his Radical OS frames at the the upper limits.

The other 4.0 guy hits with a Head Extreme Pro. Before I starting stringing his frames, he told me he was restringing his frames every 10 to 14 days. I don't remember what was in his frames before though. Now he is getting a month out of Hurricane Feel 17g/ Topspin 16g. He actually breaks the Hurricane Feel first. The 4.5 breaks the 16g Topspin cross every time.

I'm curious, what do you use in crosses for hard hitters? I'd love to get some more ideas.

I have Forten Sweet 16, Gosen Micro 16 & 17g, but it seems the Topspin 16g works better for durability. The guys I'm talking about our all very good friends of mine, and the only free customers I have. They get charged my cost for the strings. I really don't want to string their frames weekly and that's why I put Topspin in their frames. If I put them on X-One Bi-Phase or NRG2, I would be stringing a frame a week for each of them all pro bono.

 

[g4driver]

Mikeler,

I started out with Topspin 15L for one 4.5 guy who was breaking X-One in the crosses in less than three 2.5 hour sessions on Har-Tru. 15L last him a month, so I switched to 16g for him and two other string breakers. The 16 gauge Topspin last him about two to three weeks (18-22 hours) in a Babolat PDGT+ with Hurricane Feel 17g mains.

Another guy no longer breaks any of his strings. He cuts out his strings every two weeks, as soon as the mains move beyond is "limit". This guy hits very hard, and he has me string all his Radical OS frames at the the upper limits.

The other 4.0 guy hits with a Head Extreme Pro. Before I starting stringing his frames, he told me he was restringing his frames every 10 to 14 days. I don't remember what was in his frames before though. Now he is getting a month out of Hurricane Feel 17g/ Topspin 16g. He actually breaks the Hurricane Feel first. The 4.5 breaks the 16g Topspin cross every time.

I'm curious, what do you use in crosses for hard hitters? I'd love to get some more ideas.

I have Forten Sweet 16, Gosen Micro 16 & 17g, but it seems the Topspin 16g works better for durability. The guys I'm talking about our all very good friends of mine, and the only free customers I have. They get charged my cost for the strings. I really don't want to string their frames weekly and that's why I put Topspin in their frames. If I put them on X-One Bi-Phase or NRG2, I would be stringing a frame a week for each of them all pro bono.

 

[mikeler]

Mikeler,

I started out with Topspin 15L for one 4.5 guy who was breaking X-One in the crosses in less than three 2.5 hour sessions on Har-Tru. 15L last him a month, so I switched to 16g for him and two other string breakers. The 16 gauge Topspin last him about two to three weeks (18-22 hours) in a Babolat PDGT+ with Hurricane Feel 17g mains.

Another guy no longer breaks any of his strings. He cuts out his strings every two weeks, as soon as the mains move beyond his "limit". He has me string all his Radical OS frames at the the upper limits.

The other 4.0 guy hits with a Head Extreme Pro. Before I starting stringing his frames, he told me he was restringing his frames every 10 to 14 days. I don't remember what was in his frames before though. Now he is getting a month out of Hurricane Feel 17g/ Topspin 16g. He actually breaks the Hurricane Feel first. The 4.5 breaks the 16g Topspin cross every time.

I'm curious, what do you use in crosses for hard hitters? I'd love to get some more ideas.

I have Forten Sweet 16, Gosen Micro 16 & 17g, but it seems the Topspin 16g works better for durability. The guys I'm talking about our all very good friends of mine, and the only free customers I have. They get charged my cost for the strings. I really don't want to string their frames weekly and that's why I put Topspin in their frames. If I put them on X-One Bi-Phase or NRG2, I would be stringing a frame a week for each of them all pro bono.

If you are getting 20 hours out of the Topspin cross, I would stick with it. I would not want a string job to last much than that anyways. I doubt you'll find something that lasts significantly longer. You are a really nice guy stringing for free!

 

[bad_call]

Mikeler,

I started out with Topspin 15L for one 4.5 guy who was breaking X-One in the crosses in less than three 2.5 hour sessions on Har-Tru. 15L last him a month, so I switched to 16g for him and two other string breakers. The 16 gauge Topspin last him about two to three weeks (18-22 hours) in a Babolat PDGT+ with Hurricane Feel 17g mains.

Another guy no longer breaks any of his strings. He cuts out his strings every two weeks, as soon as the mains move beyond is "limit". This guy hits very hard, and he has me string all his Radical OS frames at the the upper limits.

The other 4.0 guy hits with a Head Extreme Pro. Before I starting stringing his frames, he told me he was restringing his frames every 10 to 14 days. I don't remember what was in his frames before though. Now he is getting a month out of Hurricane Feel 17g/ Topspin 16g. He actually breaks the Hurricane Feel first. The 4.5 breaks the 16g Topspin cross every time.

I'm curious, what do you use in crosses for hard hitters? I'd love to get some more ideas.

I have Forten Sweet 16, Gosen Micro 16 & 17g, but it seems the Topspin 16g works better for durability. The guys I'm talking about our all very good friends of mine, and the only free customers I have. They get charged my cost for the strings. I really don't want to string their frames weekly and that's why I put Topspin in their frames. If I put them on X-One Bi-Phase or NRG2, I would be stringing a frame a week for each of them all pro bono.

not mikeler here but...getting 20 hrs or so is very good for hard hitters. stringing at higher tension decreases strings life. try kevlar crosses for the hard hitters.

 

[bad_call]

mikeler - strung BAM mains and MCS crosses. let u know how it works out.

 

[g4driver]

Thanks Bad Call,

I'm not looking to get more life out the crosses, just something that gives better feel/control than Topspin 16. Kelvar is too stiff. I agree 18-20 hours is a long time for a string breaker. NRG2 & X-One Bi-Phase are too soft for these guys. I was just hoping for something else to offer these guys, so maybe I will get them to try the N.VY 16g

I realize higher tensions decrease the life, but the Head Radical OS guy wants it. He's tried lower tensions in a blind playtest I setup for him. (I strung two frames for him, one at the upper limit, one at the lower limit. I cut all four ties offs on the higher tension frame at an angle, and cut the low tension ties straight across, so I would know the difference. He hit with both frames and on the court, he said "I like this one". I asked him not to push on the strings with his fingers, but to simply hit with each frame. It was the one strung at the upper tension. It's a control issue with him. He has tons of power, but needs more control, hence the higher tension. He is now wanted to demo a Volkl PB7 & a Wilson KBlade Team.

 

[mikeler]

mikeler - strung BAM mains and MCS crosses. let u know how it works out.

About time you got around to putting my Mantis Comfort Synthetic in. That 4 pack payment of Dogfish Head 90 has been long gone.

Hopefully the poly does not saw through the crosses quickly. I tried MCS in the mains and RIP in the crosses and it lasted 2 sets before the RIP sawed through the MCS mains. The reverse setup with MCS as the cross and RIP as the mains lasted longer but felt like crap so I cut it out.

 

[bad_call]

About time you got around to putting my Mantis Comfort Synthetic in. That 4 pack payment of Dogfish Head 90 has been long gone.

Hopefully the poly does not saw through the crosses quickly. I tried MCS in the mains and RIP in the crosses and it lasted 2 sets before the RIP sawed through the MCS mains. The reverse setup with MCS as the cross and RIP as the mains lasted longer but felt like crap so I cut it out.

u know me...hate to waste/cut out good strings before their time.