MLB 2019 Season: Shipping Up To Boston

[jm1980]

Hinch should not have gone to the pen in the first place. Too soon. Only 80 pitches. Greinke made only one mistake to Rendon.
Otherwise perfect and still had his stuff. Total dominance. Leave Greinke in and he might have gone 8 or 9 and we have a different result.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1189748714455359500

Or Greinke might have gotten rocked and then people would be asking why he wasn't pulled with many other guys available

The pitch was very good, it just so happened that Kendrick got a little lucky there

It's also hard to win a lot of games scoring only 2 runs

 

[Chadalina]

Hinch should not have gone to the pen in the first place. Too soon. Only 80 pitches. Greinke made only one mistake to Rendon.
Otherwise perfect and still had his stuff. Total dominance. Leave Greinke in and he might have gone 8 or 9 and we have a different result.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1189748714455359500

He also did it earlier in the series pulling vilander at 3-2, think it was the blow out game.

Houston lost because they left many on base early. Giving greinke more cushion would of kept him in longer

 

[dropshotlikeitshot]

Strange that the road team won all 7 games. Never would’ve seen that coming, especially considering Houston’s postseason record at home the past 3 years.

 

[NonP]

A Fox reporter just had to turn away from this guy who dropped an F- AND an S-bomb on network TV, LOL. Wonder if they get fined for inadvertent stuff like this.

Now some housekeeping:

Agree that MadBum's was the most dominant single series performance. Absolutely untouchable. No pitcher comes close to that type of domination in this series.
Verlander, Strausburger, Cole and Scherzer have all been rocked at various times... Credit to Cole for bouncing back to his flawless ways in Game 5.

Yeah that MadBum was scary good. 0.43 ERA which is actually a tad higher than his utterly ridiculous career 0.25 (still an MLB record). I know this was just one series (let's ignore the fact that I never called him the postseason GOAT or anything of the sort) but if we're gonna focus on the money aspect of the postseason surely it makes sense to tout his performance in the one series that matters the most, no?

Never seen a team like this.
Soto, Rendon, Eaton... Kendricks struggling big time but comes thru with the eighth inning HR.
So composed when they are behind. Unbelievable.

Down in 5 elimination games before coming back. Apparently the 1st time in MLB history. Not sure I'd say this was a bigger never-say-die effort than the '15 Royals' run (for one thing the latter never destroyed his opponents 4-0), but it's sure up there.

Scherzer's neck injury in Game 5 was a blessing in disguise.
Wow.

Yup, sure looks like it. Of course nobody thought the Nats would go on to sweep the remaining 2 road games.

All due respect to Strasburger but

RENDON IS THE MVP!!

Rendon was in the running for making the biggest plays, as was Soto for his overall excellence, but given their inconsistency I think the pundits made the right call for once.

Easy to question the call to pull Greinke in hindsight

Nats just have been really clutch with their backs against the wall all postseason

Yeah I think people are being a tad too harsh on Hinch. Even if Greinke managed to give up just one more run and the As went on to lose you know the naysayers would be on H's case till the end of time for relying too damn much on analytics. He took a reasonable gamble and got dinged for it. The end.

 

[stringertom]

Strange that the road team won all 7 games. Never would’ve seen that coming, especially considering Houston’s postseason record at home the past 3 years.

First time EVER in all three major NA team sports leagues competing in a Bo7 series playoff format that the visiting team had won the first six games in a series.

 

[Raul_SJ]

First time EVER in all three major NA team sports leagues competing in a Bo7 series playoff format that the visiting team had won the first six games in a series.

Poor Houston fans standing all game long...
Very strange that the road team wins every game. Unheard of.
Any theory on this?

 

[Raul_SJ]

You owe Corbin an apology Raul

Corbin failed in Game 4 and had a whopping 6.64 ERA going into Game 7 and was causing much grief and heartache for everyone.
We prayed that Corbin could redeem himself with one strong outing.
All's well that ends well. Our prayers were answered. Corbin is now forgiven.

 

[hollywood9826]

Greinke made a bad pitch, Rendon made him pay. Greinke got jobbed on the 2-1 call to walk the next guy. I think game 3 Greinke was scoreless into the 5th and touched as well. So I understand Hinch pulling him before the doors completely fell off.
What I don't understand is why you go to Harris who got rocked the day before and after appearing in 12 of these postseason games was gassed enough that Hinch even said in an earlier press conference that off all the guys Harris deserved to have a day off the most, he was just gassed.

If he was hell bent on pulling Greinke and wanted to maintain the righty righty matchup he should have went right to Osuna. Then assuming Ozuna gets out of it the 8th and 9th are Coles.

But as said above the pitch was not terrible. Like Joe Carters homer sometimes its not the pitchers fault when a hitter just hits it right for some reason. Kendricks homer is not a homer very often. If the fence was 330 instead of 326 it hooks foul.

Scherzer somehow got through 5 innings where it seemed every inning was ended by an astro with runners hit hitting missles right at people. Strasburg was probably the right choice for MVP. Hitting wise Soto had the best stats and Rendon always seemed to get the late game hits but nobody stood out clearly above the others.

 

[Raul_SJ]

Yeah I think people are being a tad too harsh on Hinch. Even if Greinke managed to give up just one more run and the As went on to lose you know the naysayers would be on H's case till the end of time for relying too damn much on analytics. He took a reasonable gamble and got dinged for it. The end.

Greinke was pitching one of the greatest Game 7's of all time. One hit? going into the seventh. Absolutely untouchable.
Only 80 pitches. Greinke had struggled in later innings in previous games but this was a different game; still had his stuff. There is just no way Hinch should be quick on the hook in that scenario.
You go down with your best. I am fine going down with Greinke. Not with Harris. Or if Hinch is really bent on pulling Greinke, at least pull him for Cole.
Don't know what in the world Hinch was thinking. Hopefully this will go down as one of the biggest blunders in a Game 7. Hinch blew it.

 

[hollywood9826]

Greinke was pitching one of the greatest Game 7's of all time. One hit? going into the seventh. Absolutely untouchable.
Only 80 pitches. Greinke had struggled in later innings in previous games but this was a different game; still had his stuff. There is just no way Hinch should be quick on the hook in that scenario.
You go down with your best. Or if Hinch is really bent on pulling Greinke, at least pull him for Cole.
Don't know what in the world Hinch was thinking. Hopefully this will go down as one of the biggest blunders in a Game 7. Hinch blew it.

I don't think pulling Greinke was the best move, but I think it was at least defensible giving his previous game and track record in the elimination games. The rest of the moves were not.

Another interesting thing I read. Doesn't sound like Cole was very happy with how things ended and is already thinking like an FA.



Hunter Atkins

✔ @HunterAtkins35



https://twitter.com/HunterAtkins35/status/1189758262133919744



Gerrit Cole, an impending free agent, was resistant to talk after Game 7.

“I’m not an employee of the team,” he said to an Astros spokesperson. “I guess as a representative of myself...” Then he spoke.

 

[T1000]

I don’t think Patrick Corbin has ever received this much attention lmao. In a series full of superstars like Cole, Upton, Bregman, Altuve, Springer, Alvarez, Greinke, Strasburg, Scherzer, Rendon, Soto, and Turner we’re focusing the most on Patrick Corbin. The most random person to hate on consistently and got more attention ITT than anyone else. Congrats @Raul_SJ for making this a thing lol. Seriously. That’s was the second most entertaining part of this series, reading your daily “I hate Patrick Corbin” posts

 

[Raul_SJ]

While watching the game, I could sense that Greinke was practically unhittable and the Nationals wanted him out.
How good was Greinke? The Nationals would have preferred Cole!!


“When we saw Cole warming up," Nats hitting coach Kevin Long said, “we were almost like, 'Please bring him in.’ Because that’s how good Zack Greinke was."

“I was pitching good," Greinke said. “They got a good lineup, especially the top of the order. It’s tough to get through no matter one time, two times, three times. All of them are tough. Really good hitters up there."

Greinke had allowed one ball out of the infield from the fourth through sixth innings.

 

[Raul_SJ]

Cole says he is "no longer an Astros employee".
Ditches Astros hat and dons Superagent Scott Boras hat seconds after Game 7.
Cole is strictly a hired gun. A mercenary.
Bravo.

 

[stringertom]

I don’t think Patrick Corbin has ever received this much attention lmao. In a series full of superstars like Cole, Upton, Bregman, Altuve, Springer, Alvarez, Greinke, Strasburg, Scherzer, Rendon, Soto, and Turner we’re focusing the most on Patrick Corbin. The most random person to hate on consistently and got more attention ITT than anyone else. Congrats @Raul_SJ for making this a thing lol. Seriously. That’s was the second most entertaining part of this series, reading your daily “I hate Patrick Corbin” posts

Raul had a StrongRule on us all!

 

[hollywood9826]

I don’t think Patrick Corbin has ever received this much attention lmao. In a series full of superstars like Cole, Upton, Bregman, Altuve, Springer, Alvarez, Greinke, Strasburg, Scherzer, Rendon, Soto, and Turner we’re focusing the most on Patrick Corbin. The most random person to hate on consistently and got more attention ITT than anyone else. Congrats @Raul_SJ for making this a thing lol. Seriously. That’s was the second most entertaining part of this series, reading your daily “I hate Patrick Corbin” posts

Exactly. Now when you back and look at he was probably the entire reason everything worked out. He started when he had to, and while didn't super dominate he did what a number three starter should do and kept the team in the games. he also appeared in relief numerous times and was quite successful and kept that shaky bullpen off the field. He didn't wear out in WS like Sanchez did (and verlander and hariss) and of his 23 innings pitched gave them 20 top notch ones. His versatility was paramount.

 

[hollywood9826]

Cole says he is "no longer an Astros employee".
Ditches Astros hat and dons Superagent Scott Boras hat seconds after Game 7.
Cole is strictly a hired gun. A mercenary.
Bravo.

This is great.

Saw the quote didn't know there was a vid and he switched hats. That dude just never looks like he gives a flying eff about anything.

 

[Federer and Del Potro]

Love Cole's Boras cap loooool. Savage. The Astros fans are very upset.

 

[jm1980]

You go down with your best. I am fine going down with Greinke. Not with Harris. Or if Hinch is really bent on pulling Greinke, at least pull him for Cole.

Harris was their best reliever... Only one run given up all postseason up to that point

 

[stringertom]

Exactly. Now when you back and look at he was probably the entire reason everything worked out. He started when he had to, and while didn't super dominate he did what a number three starter should do and kept the team in the games. he also appeared in relief numerous times and was quite successful and kept that shaky bullpen off the field. He didn't wear out in WS like Sanchez did (and verlander and hariss) and of his 23 innings pitched gave them 20 top notch ones. His versatility was paramount.

His tenacity matched the team’s overall attitude that led to being able to battle back so many times, all the way back to May when they were 19-31. Then in the playoffs, to never give up despite the StrongRule anti-Corbin PR blitz captained by Raul, he bounced back well from a wild 1st inning vs LAD to hold them to one more run and two total. Then, when disaster struck from a bullpen assignment probably a day too early, he told Martinez to give him one more chance from the pen vs LAD and he was brilliant. That was also a dominant performance vs STL with 12 Ks in just 5 innings, the impact again lost on Raul and his fervent followers because of the 4 runs allowed late in the stint when his team had spotted him a 7-0 lead. Two of those Ks came with RISP and 7-4. Nasty stuff that Martinez chose to ride a couple of outs further.

The Brewers avoided the process the LAD, STL and Houston had to go through...they all were Corbinized!!!

 

[Raul_SJ]

Corbin is touted as a top tier pitcher. A Cy Young candidate almost in the same league as Cole, Scherzer, Verlander and Strausburger.
Going into Game 7, Corbin's so-so postseason performance and 6.44 ERA certainly did not live up to his hype.

Please do compare Corbin's postseason numbers going into Game 7 with those of Cole, Scherzer and Strausburger. It simply did not hold up.
Great regular season but postseason simply did not match up.

We prayed for Corbin after yet another lackluster performance in Game 4 that could have sealed it at 3-1 and spared everyone much stress and anxiety.
Instead of going in for the kill, Corbin quickly proceeded to get shelled in the very first and lose to unknown Jose Urquidy 8-1.

We take no joy in pointing out Corbin's lackluster postseason numbers and performance. It is what it is.

We are relieved to see Corbin finally put forth an effort in Game 7 that is worthy of a Cy Young contender.

 

[Raul_SJ]

Harris was their best reliever... Only one run given up all postseason up to that point

Greinke was pitching an almost flawless game. Only 80 pitches thrown.
I guarantee the Nationals, particularly Kendrick, were relieved to see Harris come in for red-hot Greinke.
Kendrick wanted no part of Greinke on the night Greinke was pitching the game of his life.

“When they took [Zack] Greinke out, I said, 'It’s Howie time right here,'” Suzuki said. “This guy punched out Howie at home, screamed and stared in our dugout and Howie never forgot that. You couldn’t have scripted it any better.”​

 

[hollywood9826]

Corbins so-so postseason performance (ERA wise) was a from a small sample size 1 terrible inning a couple runs given up with a monster lead.
WS game 4 was his only lackluster start because the mentality pitching with a 7 run lead leads to runs getting scored against you (I call it the Dave Stewart special). he did strikeout 12 in those 5 innings though.
Game 3 vs Dodgers was atrocious and was the only 6 runs he gave up out of the pen the whole time.

Also dude looks about 23 but he freaking 30.

 

[stringertom]

Corbin is touted as a top tier pitcher. A Cy Young candidate almost in the same league as Cole, Scherzer, Verlander and Strausburger.
Going into Game 7, Corbin's so-so postseason performance and 6.44 ERA certainly did not live up to his hype.
Please do compare Corbin's postseason numbers going into Game 7 with those of Cole, Scherzer and Strausburger. It simply did not hold up.
We prayed for Corbin after yet another lackluster performance in Game 4 that could have sealed it at 3-1 and spared everyone much stress and anxiety.
We are relieved to see Corbin finally put forth an effort in Game 7 that is worthy of a Cy Young contender.

More anti-Corbin PR.

Corbin is a #3 starter, nowhere close to the others you mentioned. He did things most #3s do...keep the game close and let your bats win a game.

Now, as to comparing stats, do some math there, Professor...take out the one bullpen disaster or modify it to two earned runs instead of six. Then recompute his ERA. I think he should be at a decent mid-4s ERA. Not MVP level but very solid, especially when that inning and the STL runs yielded with a 7-0 lead are extracted.
That was Martinez’s call to use him with two days of rest after throwing 107 pitches. Obviously the manager wasn’t aware of the incredible scrutiny his handyman hurler would have to endure once Raul’s regiment of non-believers got on the offensive.

It’s not a pleasant experience to get Corbinized.

 

[Federer and Del Potro]

Corbin wins WS , still gets memed.

 

[Raul_SJ]

More anti-Corbin PR.

Corbin is a #3 starter, nowhere close to the others you mentioned. He did things most #3s do...keep the game close and let your bats win a game.

Now, as to comparing stats, do some math there, Professor...take out the one bullpen disaster or modify it to two earned runs instead of six. Then recompute his ERA. I think he should be at a decent mid-4s ERA. Not MVP level but very solid, especially when that inning and the STL runs yielded with a 7-0 lead are extracted.
That was Martinez’s call to use him with two days of rest after throwing 107 pitches. Obviously the manager wasn’t aware of the incredible scrutiny his handyman hurler would have to endure once Raul’s regiment of non-believers got on the offensive.

It’s not a pleasant experience to get Corbinized.

I actually believe in Corbin more than you as I believe he has the potential to be one of the top pitchers in the NL.
He had a fine season but his postseason performance going into Game 7 was not even close to being worthy of a #1 pitcher.
Smoltz commented that Corbin could be unhittable if he developed his fastball and slider a bit more.
You claim he is "nowhere close" to top tier. But his regular season numbers were very similar to Strausburger.

 

[Federer and Del Potro]

Can we name the MLB 2020 thread "Corbin's Journey to pleasing Raul - MLB 2020"

 

[stringertom]

I actually believe in Corbin more than you as I believe he has the potential to be one of the top pitchers in the NL.
He had a fine season but his postseason performance going into Game 7 was not even close to being worthy of a #1 pitcher.
Smoltz commented that Corbin could be unhittable if he developed his fastball and slider a bit more.
You claim he is "nowhere close" to top tier. But his regular season numbers were very similar to Strausburger.

He has potential and that’s why Rizzo gobbled him up with the backloaded contract. With Strasburg possibly opting out and Scherzer aging, he may indeed be their ace by the time the big $$$ years kick in. It was a risk/reward that paid off. I think he can pay some more dividends the next few years.

Don’t paint yourself as as a Corbin advocate after your over-the-top ragging on him the whole playoffs, particularly regarding the wild streak in his first inning vs LAD. He only gave up one run then and another run later in a six-inning effort. The Nationals got shut out that night so he wasn’t the goat but you trashed him. Thank God that Martinez had more faith in him, even after that disaster from the bullpen a couple of days later. He was an important one of 25 that won the chip and well worth his pay.

 

[Federer and Del Potro]

He has potential and that’s why Rizzo gobbled him up with the backloaded contract. With Strasburg possibly opting out and Scherzer aging, he may indeed be their ace by the time the big $$$ years kick in. It was a risk/reward that paid off. I think he can pay some more dividends the next few years.

Don’t paint yourself as as a Corbin advocate after your over-the-top ragging on him the whole playoffs, particularly regarding the wild streak in his first inning vs LAD. He only gave up one run then and another run later in a six-inning effort. The Nationals got shut out that night so he wasn’t the goat but you trashed him. Thank God that Martinez had more faith in him, even after that disaster from the bullpen a couple of days later. He was an important one of 25 that won the chip and well worth his pay.

I've lost the Moriarty title to Raul at this point. I'm going to need to curse the Packers every time the Chargers score Sunday. Chargers Packers game never easy.

 

[stringertom]

I've lost the Moriarty title to Raul at this point. I'm going to need to curse the Packers every time the Chargers score Sunday. Chargers Packers game never easy.

Thanks for reminding me to make my survivor pick!

 

[insideguy]

Easy to question the call to pull Greinke in hindsight

Nats just have been really clutch with their backs against the wall all postseason

He had given up two hits. And Rendon actually hit a good pitch. Rendon was literally the only guy to hit him hard all night. Its not easy to question in hindsight. I questioned it right away. You have one out. One on. The starting pitcher has given up two hits. He is 80 pitches in. Stupid move. And not saying Astros win, but these managers are to busy looking at their stat books.

 

[Raul_SJ]

He had given up two hits. And Rendon actually hit a good pitch. Rendon was literally the only guy to hit him hard all night. Its not easy to question in hindsight. I questioned it right away. You have one out. One on. The starting pitcher has given up two hits. He is 80 pitches in. Stupid move. And not saying Astros win, but these managers are to busy looking at their stat books.

Man on first. One out. Seventh inning. 2-1. Just gave up a HR and walk. Typically you would pull out the starter.
But Hinch must factor into his decision that Greinke was pitching well and at only 80 pitches.
With the way Greinke was dominating, must let a Cy Young pitcher try to pitch his way out of that. In the old days, starting pitchers were allowed to pitch out of jams in the late innings.
Now managers pull them out as if it was written in stone... Who knows, maybe Kendrick homers off Greinke too but I have to believe the Nationals wanted no part of Greinke and were relieved to see Hinch yank him for Harris.

I'd be interested to hear if Greinke has made any comments on whether he was tired and ready to be pulled. Have to believe Grienke felt fine and wanted to continue.

 

[insideguy]

Man on first. One out. Seventh inning. 2-1. Just gave up a HR and walk. Typically you would pull out the starter.
But Hinch must factor into his decision that Greinke was pitching well and at only 80 pitches.
With the way Greinke was dominating, must let a Cy Young pitcher try to pitch his way out of that. In the old days, starting pitchers were allowed to pitch out of jams in the late innings.
Now managers pull them out as if it was written in stone... Who knows, maybe Kendrick homers off Greinke too but I have to believe the Nationals wanted no part of Greinke and were relieved to see Hinch yank him for Harris.

I'd be interested to hear if Greinke has made any comments on whether he was tired and ready to be pulled. Have to believe Grienke felt fine and wanted to continue.

I can't get into Greinkes head. But he doesn't throw hard. Now he still could have been tired because of the stress. But he wasn't smoked cause he was working so hard. The NATs were not touching him except for Rendon. Its all over now and the Astros couldn't put runs across the plate earlier in the game when they probably should have. I don't agree with the yank but I also don't think leaving him in means Astros win for sure.

 

[jm1980]

He had given up two hits. And Rendon actually hit a good pitch. Rendon was literally the only guy to hit him hard all night. Its not easy to question in hindsight. I questioned it right away. You have one out. One on. The starting pitcher has given up two hits. He is 80 pitches in. Stupid move. And not saying Astros win, but these managers are to busy looking at their stat books.

Good pitch? We must have been watching a different game. It was a changeup in the middle of the plate.

Greinke has also been known to unravel very quickly. You leave him on and chances are the exact same thing happens. I'm not saying Greinke had to be taken out of the game. I would have understood if Hinch left him in. But taking him out was not as questionable as some are making it out to be.

And of course the players still have to execute. The Astros relievers didn't do their jobs. If Corbin shat the bed, it would have been Dave Martinez being blamed for "mismanaging." It just happened that the cookie crumbled a different way

 

[insideguy]

Good pitch? We must have been watching a different game. It was a changeup in the middle of the plate.

Greinke has also been known to unravel very quickly. You leave him on and chances are the exact same thing happens. I'm not saying Greinke had to be taken out of the game. I would have understood if Hinch left him in. But taking him out was not as questionable as some are making it out to be.

And of course the players still have to execute. The Astros relievers didn't do their jobs. If Corbin shat the bed, it would have been Dave Martinez being blamed for "mismanaging." It just happened that the cookie crumbled a different way

Ok lets say it wasn't a good pitch. We can debate changeups all day. He still has given up two hits. And has one on one out. He has the lead. Other than Rendon no one has touched him. Does it all fall apart like that? Maybe. But he owns this. Bringing in a guy cold at this point in the game. No. Sorry. They lost and second guessing is so easy, but Greinke was kicking butt. He was not getting hit hard all game. It all unraveled from there.

 

[Raul_SJ]

I can't get into Greinkes head. But he doesn't throw hard. Now he still could have been tired because of the stress. But he wasn't smoked cause he was working so hard. The NATs were not touching him except for Rendon. Its all over now and the Astros couldn't put runs across the plate earlier in the game when they probably should have. I don't agree with the yank but I also don't think leaving him in means Astros win for sure.

I agree it's not necessarily an Astros win. Just don't particularly like the move. I don't think the "third time thru the lineup" holds here. Nobody had him figured out last night.
It would have been much more interesting and closer if Greinke stayed in...

Bringing in a guy cold at this point in the game.

Harris was not warm?

 

[stringertom]

Good pitch? We must have been watching a different game. It was a changeup in the middle of the plate.

Greinke has also been known to unravel very quickly. You leave him on and chances are the exact same thing happens. I'm not saying Greinke had to be taken out of the game. I would have understood if Hinch left him in. But taking him out was not as questionable as some are making it out to be.

And of course the players still have to execute. The Astros relievers didn't do their jobs. If Corbin shat the bed, it would have been Dave Martinez being blamed for "mismanaging." It just happened that the cookie crumbled a different way

I don’t think Hinch had made his mind up to lift Greinke until they talked. If that was Scherzer he asked, that dog wouldn’t be coming out. Greinke seemed to nod it was time and that’s when Hinch made the call.

I will fault Hinch for choosing Harris over Cole. The guy was overused in the series (pitch count was low but he pitched in 5 games) and got whacked by Rendon for a 2-run bomb the night before. If he didn’t trust Cole in relief, why get him warm earlier when Greinke was cruising???

If Hinch goes to a pen pitcher, it should have been Urquidy, who throws gas to contrast with Greinke’s off speed junk. Also, Pressly was fairly efficient (27 pitches total) in two separate innings the previous two games. Why Harris again???

 

[Raul_SJ]

It must be really awful living in Houston. Gerrit "California Dreamin" Cole took off his Houston hat for his agent/lawyer's hat immediately after Game 7 and said he was no longer an Astros employee.
One article said that had the Astros won Game 7 it would have meant more revenue for Astros and they could have possibly re-signed Cole.

Gerrit Cole already disowning Astros: ‘I’m not employed by the team’

HOUSTON — His team just having suffered a stunning World Series Game 7 loss to end its season, Gerrit Cole held an awkward exchange with an Astros media relations official about speaking to the med…

nypost.com

 

[T1000]

Mets let the Phillies get Girardi and then hire the biggest choker in franchise history as their manager. I’m done. I’m not supporting this clown franchise anymore. Eff you Wilpons

 

[Raul_SJ]

Greinke has also been known to unravel very quickly. You leave him on and chances are the exact same thing happens. I'm not saying Greinke had to be taken out of the game. I would have understood if Hinch left him in. But taking him out was not as questionable as some are making it out to be.

I am fine with either leaving Greinke in or taking him out for Cole.
Granted, Cole has never pitched relief and is on two days rest but if Cole tells you he is ready, you give him the ball. Harris has been overworked as well.
Of course Cole would prefer to come in at the start of an inning but Cole would have pitched his way out of one on and one out.
Hinch was strangely fixated on using Cole only if he was ahead. Makes no sense. Hinch needs to be more flexible in his thinking.

Hinch said Cole, who dominated the Nationals to win Game 5 in Washington, was warming up in the fifth inning, and he was prepared to bring him into the game at some point if the Astros took the lead. Instead, Cole sat with his sweatshirt pulled over his head and watched the Nats put the game out of reach.​

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“I wasn't going to pitch him unless we were going to win the World Series and have a lead,” Hinch said. “He was going to help us win. He was available, and I felt it was a game that he was going to come in had we tied it or taken the lead. He was going to close the game in the ninth after I brought Osuna in, had we kept the lead.”​

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[stringertom]

Mets let the Phillies get Girardi and then hire the biggest choker in franchise history as their manager. I’m done. I’m not supporting this clown franchise anymore. Eff you Wilpons

T1K hate for Beltran rivals the Raul/Corbin dynamic, @Federer and Del Potro ???

 

[Federer and Del Potro]

T1K hate for Beltran rivals the Raul/Corbin dynamic, @Federer and Del Potro ???

Astros championship team had Beltran

this losing one didn’t

alls I’m saying

 

[stringertom]

Astros championship team had Beltran

this losing one didn’t

alls I’m saying

He didn’t do much that year but his postseason numbers prior to 2017 were phenomenal except for the non-swing. T1K forgets they probably weren’t playing a Game 7 vs STL without his bat that postseason.

 

[Raul_SJ]

Now, as to comparing stats, do some math there, Professor...take out the one bullpen disaster or modify it to two earned runs instead of six. Then recompute his ERA. I think he should be at a decent mid-4s ERA. Not MVP level but very solid, especially when that inning and the STL runs yielded with a 7-0 lead are extracted.

Why in the world do we need to modify any bullpen disaster?
If a pitcher has a bad relief outing and gives up 2 runs in one inning pitched, his ERA will be 18.0. If he pitches 8 shutout innings on his next start, his ERA will drop to 2.0. It all evens out.
There is no need to recompute Corbin's ERA. It is what it is for the 23 innings pitched. Not worthy of a top-tier $150,000,000 pitcher.

We prayed for Corbin to finally have a postseason outing worthy of his hype. Our prayers were answered in Game 7.

 

[T1000]

He didn’t do much that year but his postseason numbers prior to 2017 were phenomenal except for the non-swing. T1K forgets they probably weren’t playing a Game 7 vs STL without his bat that postseason.

T1K doesn’t care that he made the final out. T1K cares that the bat didn’t leave his shoulder ONCE in that final at bat. Making the last out is fine. Staring at 3 straight strikes and not swinging ONCE when you call yourself the new mr October isn’t.

 

[stringertom]

Why in the world do we need to modify any bullpen disaster?
If a pitcher has a bad relief outing and gives up 2 runs in one inning pitched, his ERA will be 18.0. If he pitches 8 shutout innings on his next start, his ERA will drop to 2.0. It all evens out.
There is no need to recompute Corbin's ERA. It is what it is for the 23 innings pitched. Not worthy of a top-tier $150,000,000 pitcher.

We prayed for Corbin to finally have a postseason outing worthy of his hype. Our prayers were answered in Game 7.

Please never pray for me or for $12.5MM/2019 salary bargain Corbin. They don’t get to the playoffs and a chip without him.

 

[stringertom]

T1K doesn’t care that he made the final out. T1K cares that the bat didn’t leave his shoulder ONCE in that final at bat. Making the last out is fine. Staring at 3 straight strikes and not swinging ONCE when you call yourself the new mr October isn’t.

T1K forgets he fouled off strike 2.