Discussion in 'Odds & Ends' started by MEAC_ALLAMERICAN, Dec 12, 2007.
I've heard rumors Andy Pettitte's name is on the list.
Also, since Mitchell recieved much of his info from a NY trainer, expect a lot of Yankees and Mets to be named.
Should be interesting, can't wait for 2 p.m.
I can't wait for this. If they name names based on hearsay and sources etc they better be ready to get their butts sued of for 1,000,000s of dollars. If they name someone and they have NO PROOF they are going to get litigated up the kazoo.
Looks like Clemens and Pettitte are both on the report.
I heard on Mike & Mike in the Morning that "several prominent Yankees will be named. But no Mets player on the current team roster is going to be named."
Here's what I'm hearing, we'll see how accurate the list is in a little while:
Brady Anderson, Manny Alexander, Rick Ankiel, Jeff Bagwell, Barry Bonds, Aaron Boone, Rafaeil Bettancourt, Bret Boone, Milton Bradley, David Bell, Dante Bichette, Albert Belle, Paul Byrd, Wil Cordero, Ken Caminiti, Mike Cameron, Ramon Castro, Jose and Ozzie Canseco, Roger Clemens, Paxton Crawford, Wilson Delgado, Lenny Dykstra, Johnny Damon, Carl Everett, Kyle Farnsoworth, Ryan Franklin, Rich Garces, Troy Glaus, Jason Grimsley, Juan Gonzalez, Eric Gagne, Nomar Garciaparra, Jason Giambi, Jeremy Giambi, Jose Guillen, Jay Gibbons, Juan Gonzalez, Clay Hensley, Jerry Hairston, Felix Heredia, Jr., Darren Holmes, Wally Joyner, Darryl Kile, Matt Lawton, Raul Mondesi, Mark McGwire, Guillermo Mota, Robert Machado, Damian Moss, Abraham Nunez, Trot Nixon, Jose Offerman, Andy Pettitte, Mark Prior, Neifi Perez, Rafael Palmiero, Albert Pujols, Brian Roberts, Juan Rincon, John Rocker, Pudge Rodriguez, Sammy Sosa, Scott Schoenweiis, David Segui, Alex Sanchez, Gary Sheffield, Miguel Tejada, Julian Tavarez, Fernando Tatis, Maurice Vaughn, Jason Varitek, Ismael Valdez, Matt Williams and Kerry Wood.
Seems odd that list excludes two obvious names, Jon Kruk and David Wells both bulked up near the end of their careers. Where's Jose Lima time?
I'm sure Mitchell will fail to indentify some.
Keep in mind the players that tested positive were notified they were going to be tested. Imagine the number if they tested without letting the players know beforehand.
And that list is rumor, it's not official.
We will have to wait for a few hours for the official list.
I got a few questions since I don't really follow baseball.
1) Was this list compiled as a result of one large recent test of players?
2) If not, then why would the many people on the list not already have been suspended previously due to their positive steroids test?
3) Are people on the list as a result of claims by others, or it just based on positive tests?
It should be leaking to the media beforehand.
All morning on ESPN this is all they have been talking about, but Clemens and Andy Petite are the two big names so far...
Bonds,Sosa and McGwire doesn't surprise me at all.
The list will be released to the media at 1:45. Stay tuned.
I hope this isn't true, because it would be really disappointing.
This is a heavy list, and being that Darrlyl Kile and Ken Caminitti are both dead. I don't think it's fair to mention those players, because they can't even refute the accusations. Along with that, how will this new concrete revelation affect the MLB.
I can't wait, it's 10:47 PT and it should be on in a few minutes.
I am not surprised by the possible list above at all..
These guys are doing whatever it takes to hit the ball further and throw the ball faster with more accuracy.
I am pretty sure so many of them were on roids when they were not banned in 90's.
This is a great, great day in baseball. Christmas came early this year!
Dodger talk: Some people are speculating that our former GM may have tried to trade out the guys who were believed within the clubhouse to take steroids. That include Lo Duca and Mota. But, obviously, you couldn't trade Gagne without causing a revolt from the fans, so he stayed.
Wow Pujols and Pudge huh, I thought they were legit, so much for that idea.
Oh and way to go ESPN running another speculatory article that the report was not going to show anything new. Well it did. This report is awesome. You got athletes writing checks to their steroid dealer.
And people somehow seem to think that tennis is immune from players taking PED's?
Long ago there was a report that Pete Rose's son <who plays/played in the Minors> hooked up pretty much the whole team with some synthetic steroid...some chemical used to take barnacles of ships and such.
I say either ban and ENFORCE a no PED policy or just let them all take them as they like. At least the playing field would be equal and not <in part> about who has the better medicine cabinet.....better performance through chemistry.....baaah
Now will some of these players that have significant impact on the history books, will their accomplishments be completely striped from the record books???
Bonds, Clemens, Mcgwire, Sosa???
It just reiterates what many sabremetric guys don't want to admit. Records (and therefore "sports history") don't mean as much as we want them to.
The problem isn't baseball's integrity (football abuses drugs far worse); it's that now baseball has to admit that its history is meaningless in evaluating the current generation. And baseball without history suddenly becomes just another sport.
ESPN is giving an earfull, plus some visuals. :shock:
I am really disappointed by this, and for those that were quick to chastise Barry Bonds, it goes to show he isn't the only one that was shooting up. :cry:
Fernando Vina, Albert Pujols, Petite, Clemens, Tejada.....................................................................................................................
Looks like Ken Griffey Jr. is one of the only locks for first ballot hall of fame now, he'll have over 650 home runs cleanly, probably one of the only guys in this generation who could say that.
Well, at least we don't have to hear about the Patriots all the time for at least the next few days.
QFT, yeah seriously its ridiculous how much exposure they get.
Hope they ground the Jets Sunday
I'm thinking 65+ points for the Pats, but it's irrelavent since the Colts will destroy them in the AFC Championship.
The Pats won't lose to the Colts this time, the mistakes that the Pats made in their November meeting, they won't make again if they meet in the AFC championships.
Unless the Pats get a running game to play in the snow the Colts have a great chance, as long as Addai is used and they don't rely too heavily on Manning's arm, Peyton in snow in the playoffs doesn't bode well if he throws a lot.
Your talking a lot of variables, that could come into play. But, as much as it hurts, I would have to agree... somewhat.
I dont think anyone can beat the Pats unless Brady goes down. if he does, then lots of teams can beat the Pats. The Pats produced a whopping total of 22 rushing yards for the game vs the Steelers and it wasnt even a close game. So much for needing a running game in the NFL.
Yeah, but the Colts cover 2 scheme will take advantage of the Pats not having a running game. They had the Pats for almost the entire game, plus a snowy Foxboro will not benefit this Pats offense like it has in previous years.
I'm picking the Colts upset to the Pats at Foxboro this year. Otherwise, yeah, nobody is beating the Pats this year.
Thing about this list is that it doesn't, in any way, absolve those who are not on it. The committee didn't have subpoena power, and George Mitchell has vested interested in the BoSox franchise. I think the only BoSox player that was listed was Gagne.
Jason Veritek was listed too
No he wasn't
Ok guess not, the list I saw must've been a rumored one
Here's the official blackbook
It's funny that Canseco's name is on there. Just a waste of ink. I was suprised that Mark McGuire's name was not on the list.
The report itself wasn't really an inquiry into who exactly was taking steroids across the league. The committee didn't have the legal authority to make that kind of comprehensive investigation. Everybody who worked with them cooperated with Michell under their free will.
And that's the thing. Even without having the access it needed, it found THIS much.
Chuck Knooblauch is on it too, who would have thunk his problems throwing to 1st base was because of steriods. :shock:
Yeah, some of the names really surprised me. Chuck wasn't exactly a power hitter type.
Also, having David Justice up there is a little disturbing if you recall Halle Berry's charges of domestic abuse between them.
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