MOOAT - Most overated of all time
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maximo
Banned
That was not the implication of my post...
I simply pointed out that those who think 22 is rather late to win a first slam are wrong.
King_Grass
Banned
Very rational thinking right there! So if Murray manages to win a GS at the same age that Fed did, he will win as many Slams as Fed did too. :roll:
Wow Maximoron's posts get dumber and dumber by the minute...and here I was thinking he couldn't get any more dumber! Boy this guy is completely whacko!
Murray is MILES behind Nadal in terms of raw talent. And that is a fact!
darthpwner
Banned
safin, nalbandian, and gasquet
King_Grass
Banned
Nadal has better movement, one of the best forehands which is MILES ahead of Murray's forehand, better movement, Nadal's mental strength >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Murray's mental strength AND shock horror he has 6 Grand Slams as compared to your talentless pusher hype job Murray who has 0! :lol:
Rabbit
G.O.A.T.
maximo
Banned
Nop, other players other than Federer have won slams after 22...
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Michael Bluth
Semi-Pro
In my opinion it is Gasquet. Don't get me wrong, he is one of my favorite players to watch, but the idea that he would be as good as Federer if he weren't a headcase is quite wrong.
Even if he were to fix all of his mental issues, he would still have a weak forehand and an average serve.
Even if he were to fix all of his mental issues, he would still have a weak forehand and an average serve.
flyinghippos101
Legend
Tim Henman, 'nough said
FedFan_2009
Banned
Federer is MOOAT. 13 of his slams don't even count since he didn't beat Nadal. Oh the other 2 don't count either because he beat baby Nadal and not PRIME Nadal. So Roger is sitting on 0 legit slams! You see how '**** logic works?
Nadal is not overrated. I am a fed fan. But there is no doubt that nadal is good. I think tommy haas and Marat Safin, were extremely overrated. Once safin won the Oz open, people started thinking he was the s***. Tommy haas won a few tournaments and people started saying he is the next big thing. He got sidelined by injuries and is barely ranking in the top 30's now. You cant compare nadal to haas becasue although he has been injured, he has proved himself before. Nadal is not overrated, federer is just better.
FedFan_2009
Banned
How can Federer be better when he's 2-5 in slam finals? Apparently that is the new criteria(see Sampras quote from Monday) to decide who is best in tennis. It's ok for Rafa to lose to Monfils and Seppi wherever but if Roger ONLY loses to Nadal that is MUCH worse!
JoshDragon
Hall of Fame
The most over-rated player of all time is Marat Safin.
yung goon
Semi-Pro
nadal has a better carreer record against the field than federer. has a better h2h against him and in gs. has more titles than him at the age of 23.and could possibly win a career grand slam at a much younger age than roger. but hey, nadal is practically the definition of overrated
FedFan_2009
Banned
We'll see if Nadal's 82% can hold up over the next 350 matches. Can he be at 80% like Roger after 810 career matches? I don't think so. Sure he's much greater at 23, but that's not how these things are decided. Roger is GOAT, whether you like it or not.
cknobman
Legend
AO, FO, Wimby
charliefedererer
Legend
I've got that stake.
GameSampras
Banned
Roddick IMO. Good player but gets wayyyyy too much credit around these parts for being some great tennis player.
I dont see as anything more than an era filler in ANY ERA. They want to attach the label unto Roddick as he is just unlucky because he has to deal with Fed his whole career.
Put Roddick in any era and I dont see him having a whole lot more success. Maybe an extra slam or two but thats all.
Good player, but not as good as people want to give him credit for.
I dont see as anything more than an era filler in ANY ERA. They want to attach the label unto Roddick as he is just unlucky because he has to deal with Fed his whole career.
Put Roddick in any era and I dont see him having a whole lot more success. Maybe an extra slam or two but thats all.
Good player, but not as good as people want to give him credit for.
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charliefedererer
Legend
Most overated of all time
Probably Nalbandian.
2002 Wimbledon final.
2003 match point to get back into the Wimbledon final.
2005 quaterfinals of AU, USO, and Wimbledon.
Such a great ball striker. He somehow didn't seem to have the fitness or drive to persist in the best of 5 format of the slams.
As with any underachiever, I wonder if he had more chronic injuries than his abdominal muscle woes that kept him from working out harder.
I can't put Safin in the same catagory as he never had the head to match the physical talent. Although it is a shame he lives in an era before brain transplants.
Andre Agassi was making a good case for himself in his younger years, until he put it all together at an age when most are retiring.
Probably Nalbandian.
2002 Wimbledon final.
2003 match point to get back into the Wimbledon final.
2005 quaterfinals of AU, USO, and Wimbledon.
Such a great ball striker. He somehow didn't seem to have the fitness or drive to persist in the best of 5 format of the slams.
As with any underachiever, I wonder if he had more chronic injuries than his abdominal muscle woes that kept him from working out harder.
I can't put Safin in the same catagory as he never had the head to match the physical talent. Although it is a shame he lives in an era before brain transplants.
Andre Agassi was making a good case for himself in his younger years, until he put it all together at an age when most are retiring.
thejoe
Hall of Fame
I'd nominate any of the players you rave about in the "really tough" Sampras era. You talk about players like Kafelnikov and Bruguera as if they were world beaters.
charliefedererer
Legend
I always thought of Roddick as an overachiever with a great serve, a big forehand, but lousy movement and backhand.
I wonder if he'll pull an Agassi and have a better late than mid career. At least it seems he's trying.
charliefedererer
Legend
Most overated of all time
Probably Nalbandian.
2002 Wimbledon final.
2003 match point to get back into the Wimbledon final.
2005 quaterfinals of AU, USO, and Wimbledon.
Such a great ball striker. He somehow didn't seem to have the fitness or drive to persist in the best of 5 format of the slams.
As with any underachiever, I wonder if he had more chronic injuries than his abdominal muscle woes that kept him from working out harder.
I can't put Safin in the same catagory as he never had the head to match the physical talent. Although it is a shame he lives in an era before brain transplants.
Andre Agassi was making a good case for himself in his younger years, until he put it all together at an age when most are retiring.
Probably Nalbandian.
2002 Wimbledon final.
2003 match point to get back into the Wimbledon final.
2005 quaterfinals of AU, USO, and Wimbledon.
Such a great ball striker. He somehow didn't seem to have the fitness or drive to persist in the best of 5 format of the slams.
As with any underachiever, I wonder if he had more chronic injuries than his abdominal muscle woes that kept him from working out harder.
I can't put Safin in the same catagory as he never had the head to match the physical talent. Although it is a shame he lives in an era before brain transplants.
Andre Agassi was making a good case for himself in his younger years, until he put it all together at an age when most are retiring.
~ZoSo~
Semi-Pro
Hehe Nice one. Church of fed worshipers unable to nadal-hate with any creativity
GameSampras
Banned
He was an overachiever considering his lack of overrall talent. But the question was overrated. People say Fed took so many of Roddick's slams away as away as if, Roddick would have been an automatic in any other era winning those slam had Fed not been involved. Which IMO is FALSE!!! Thats why he is overrated I feel.
GameSampras
Banned
These guys were more successful clay court players of course. I dont think they were overrated. Especially on clay.. Bruguera was an awesome clay courter and Kafelnikov was no joke there either. They are rated right where they should be IMO. No one ever said these guys are some superior all surface talents have they? And Bruguera was far from overrated on clay. He was a machine on that surface when he was in his prime
CountryHillbilly
Banned
Tell me honestly, Senor wasta,
Which part of THiS is overrated?
Which part of THiS is overrated?
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you said its easy to look at the good things in rafa caeer viduka0101 so what are the bad things do they trump the good things. i also wanna know what makes a player overrated. i dont think any player is overrated, they wrok hard to play tennis as a career. if you can make it to the pro level, have a atp ranking and play atp sponsored events i got respect for you. ur doing things i could only dream of. hell i got respect for ppl who play challenger events.
viduka0101
Hall of Fame
i was joking with the other guy, it's a ridiculous thing to start a thread because of maybe two at most die-hard Rafa fans that say things like he's gonna become the best etc. and then blame it on the spanish media,did you see my other posts, i wasn't being serious
but yeah, off course it's an amazing thing to accomplish to be among the best in the world in what you do
anyway, to be serious i think people are overrating Tsonga on this forum and that's all i'm going to say
rk_sports
Hall of Fame
Gotta agree there... not sure MOOAT but surely MOOCT (current)
..though Safin does have 2 GS's to boast of
clayman2000
Hall of Fame
I vote Roger Federer. If you go to the 2010 Slam Winner Prediction threas, most ppl have Roger taking 3 slams next year. A lot of them also have him beating Nadal in the final of the FO. Has Roger done anything in a slam to show he could beat Rafa in RG? And no beating the GCCOAT's killer doesnt count. After all to *******s slams are all that should count. No?
ubermeyer
Hall of Fame
Safin is not over-rated. He has huge tennis talent. I would classify him as one of the most disappointing players of all time, So much potential, so little motivation and work ethic.
However he has made up for this by having a most interesting life while on the tour...and still winning a couple of slams and making a pile of money.
However he has made up for this by having a most interesting life while on the tour...and still winning a couple of slams and making a pile of money.
hate machine
Banned
yes safin does, but everyone says that he is the most talented player ever, rubbish, there are many people more talented than safin. Even murray, who i hate, is probably more talented than him. The only thing safin does is hit the bl hard, which is good, but not talented.
people talk about nalbandian like he is the GOAT, except he hasn't even won a masters when everyone is fresh - he beats people that are tired -at this stage (indoor events), he isn't tired cuz he never plays the first part of the year - he eats
BallzofSkill
Semi-Pro
safin is one of the few players here who gets credit day in and day out for things he hasn't done.
I don't know if safin is overrated here but when he beat federer in AO, fed was not on an offday.
Safin just played maybe his best match of his life that day.
I think he is the only one who managed to beat him in a slam when fed was at his peak of his carreer, in his favorite surface.
Nadalfan89
Hall of Fame
Lawl Murray obviously.
Nadal is 6-2 against Federer in GS finals so that's not even a discussion. Any troglodyte can see that Nadal is much better than Federer; you don't even need to look at statistics (which tell a lot too).
Murray is a pusher. He dinks his second serve, slices his backhand, lobs to middle court and hopes for an UE. He has 0 grand slams for christ sake.
Only people who put any faith in that fool are British people; but they're only butthurt because they have to live on a dreary little island with no toothpaste or spices.
Nadal is 6-2 against Federer in GS finals so that's not even a discussion. Any troglodyte can see that Nadal is much better than Federer; you don't even need to look at statistics (which tell a lot too).
Murray is a pusher. He dinks his second serve, slices his backhand, lobs to middle court and hopes for an UE. He has 0 grand slams for christ sake.
Only people who put any faith in that fool are British people; but they're only butthurt because they have to live on a dreary little island with no toothpaste or spices.
maximo
Banned
Nadalfan89
Hall of Fame
Haha this entire thread is a witch hunt against Nadal, as soon as someone says something that goes against the prevailing wind on this forum (Nadal is worst person ever) you start to cry and call me a hater and a troll.
Typical Murray/Federer fans.
maximo
Banned
I'm anything but a Federer fan you moron...:roll:
When has a Murray fan said anything about Nadal??
Your logic is crap...
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Nadalfan89
Hall of Fame
This enough for you maximo? You freaks think that Murray (who hasn't won anything meaningful in his life) is somewhere near the skill level as 6 GS winner Nadal.
maximo
Banned
That was a reply to another deluded Nadal fan (who got banned) and put Murray down for no valid reason.
So therefore, that quote you chose is worthless...
Nadalfan89
Hall of Fame
That was a reply to another deluded Nadal fan (who got banned) and put Murray down for no valid reason.
So therefore, that quote you chose is worthless...
Haha oh wow. Instead of wasting your breath excusing your obvious stupidity, you should instead put your time and effort into finding excuses for Murray once 2012 rolls around he is still slamless.
maximo
Banned
Great fallback line i must say...:roll:
Nadalfan89
Hall of Fame
Almost as good as claiming a quote is worthless for no reason. Try harder.
Oh here's a smiley face, apparently it replaces logic (as seen from your posts)
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