More impressive: Fed's 5 in a row at Wimb or Fed's 5 in a row at the USO

Wimb or USO?


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Tennisfan339

Professional
I think Wimbledon is more prestigious than USO in general, but winning 5 USO in a row is harder.
Would be 6 in a row if he didn't mug it up on that serve game at 6-3 5-4 30-0.

The competition on hard court is a lot stronger in general. Even the other 2 GOATS / his 2 main rivals could never defend a US Open title, Federer did this 4 consecutive years. USO is clearly the most volatile Grand Slam, with 7 different winners in the last 10 years. Not saying that anyone could win USO (ala Raducanu) but if we're going to have another big upset / unexpected winner like Cilic, USO is the most likely opportunity.

Federer had no competition on grass once Sampras retired. Roddick was his favorite pigeon. It just looked so easy for him. Sampras also won 4 in a row and 7 in 8 years. Borg also 5 in a row. Djokovic 3 in a row and would probably be 4 if 2020 wasn't cancelled... Clearly defending USO is harder. Let's see how Medvedev deals with it next year.
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
I think Wimbledon is more prestigious than USO in general, but winning 5 USO in a row is harder.
Would be 6 in a row if he didn't mug it up on that serve game at 6-3 5-4 30-0.

The competition on hard court is a lot stronger in general. Even the other 2 GOATS / his 2 main rivals could never defend a US Open title, Federer did this 4 consecutive years. USO is clearly the most volatile Grand Slam, with 7 different winners in the last 10 years. Not saying that anyone could win USO (ala Raducanu) but if we're going to have another big upset / unexpected winner like Cilic, USO is the most likely opportunity.

Federer had no competition on grass once Sampras retired. Roddick was his favorite pigeon. It just looked so easy for him. Sampras also won 4 in a row and 7 in 8 years. Borg also 5 in a row. Djokovic 3 in a row and would probably be 4 if 2020 wasn't cancelled... Clearly defending USO is harder. Let's see how Medvedev deals with it next year.
I wouldn't say he had no competition on grass. Roddick and Nadal pushed him hard from 2003 to 2009.

And LOL at Roddick looking so easy for him. 2004 and 2009 were his toughest Wimb finals after the Djokodal ones.
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
Some interesting numbers:

14 top 10 wins at the USO vs 8 at Wimb.

6 top 5 wins at the USO vs 5 at Wimb.

But at Wimb he faced the no.2 player in the world much more often compared to 0 times at the USO.
 

aldeayeah

Legend
Some interesting numbers:

14 top 10 wins at the USO vs 8 at Wimb.

6 top 5 wins at the USO vs 5 at Wimb.

But at Wimb he faced the no.2 player in the world much more often compared to 0 times at the USO.
ATP rankings are skewed in favor of players who excel on hard courts, so it makes sense that the USO has more high ranked players reaching the late rounds than Wimbledon does.

Wimbledon special seedings were a consequence of that phenomenon
 

TheFifthSet

Legend
I think Wimbledon is more prestigious than USO in general, but winning 5 USO in a row is harder.
Would be 6 in a row if he didn't mug it up on that serve game at 6-3 5-4 30-0.

The competition on hard court is a lot stronger in general. Even the other 2 GOATS / his 2 main rivals could never defend a US Open title, Federer did this 4 consecutive years. USO is clearly the most volatile Grand Slam, with 7 different winners in the last 10 years. Not saying that anyone could win USO (ala Raducanu) but if we're going to have another big upset / unexpected winner like Cilic, USO is the most likely opportunity.

Federer had no competition on grass once Sampras retired. Roddick was his favorite pigeon. It just looked so easy for him. Sampras also won 4 in a row and 7 in 8 years. Borg also 5 in a row. Djokovic 3 in a row and would probably be 4 if 2020 wasn't cancelled... Clearly defending USO is harder. Let's see how Medvedev deals with it next year.
That service game haunts me. Just such bad point-construction and lackadaisical forays into the net.
 

FedrMatt

Professional
That service game haunts me. Just such bad point-construction and lackadaisical forays into the net.
If he’d served out the set, he would’ve won no question.

He gave Delpo a sniff and that was all he needed. Fed even should’ve won the fourth, but in the third already he was being pushed around. Before that screwed service game, he was largely dictating play.
 

skaj

Legend
More difficult opponents at the US Open, but Wimbledon is on his best surface. Hard to say.
 

Third Serve

G.O.A.T.
US Open because, as others have already mentioned, it’s the hardest Slam to dominate. Plus, he faced some solid competition there in most of his wins (although Wimbledon 2004 and 2007 of Fed’s five were perhaps even stiffer; the other three weren’t)

He played better in his Wimbledon runs though.
 

Kralingen

Legend
Funny enough I think the competition got closer to him at Wimby than at the USO in that 5 year run.

‘04 Agassi the closest but his legs were shot once Fed got the break in the 5th.
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
Funny enough I think the competition got closer to him at Wimby than at the USO in that 5 year run.

‘04 Agassi the closest but his legs were shot once Fed got the break in the 5th.
Yeah, it's a bit weird.

Including 2009, Fed had tougher high level opposition thanks to Nadal and Roddick's efforts in 2004, 2007 and 2009. And he beat the no.2 player in the world 4 straight years at Wimb from 2004 to 2007.

But he's faced more top 10 and top 5 players at the USO.
 

MeatTornado

G.O.A.T.
In theory it should be the USO because of there being more good hard court players, but you could also easily argue that 03-04 Roddick and 07 Nadal on grass were better than any hard court opponents he faced.
 

Red Rick

Bionic Poster
In theory it should be the USO because of there being more good hard court players, but you could also easily argue that 03-04 Roddick and 07 Nadal on grass were better than any hard court opponents he faced.
Would love to see a 2004 Fed-Roddick matchup.
 

DjokoLand

Hall of Fame
I don't think grass is his best surface bruh.
It obviously is though. He has lost 4 finals there and 3 where to prime Djokovic.
Federer making W finals at 33+ and would of had double digit titles there if not for the other goat.
USO 5 in a row is impressive but not winning one since makes it less impressive for me
 

ForehandRF

Hall of Fame
While it obviously is impressive it’s nearly as unimpressed not winning it for 13 years after. Wimbledon for me
USO being the last slam in the calendar made the difference as he got older by mid 2010s, that alongside with his 40-15 failures against Djokovic and conditions being slower/bouncier compared to the 2000s.You can argue that 2014 was a wasted opportunity though.He has managed to win more titles at the AO, which is anticlimatic in the sense that he was more dominant at the USO back in his prime, but the AO being at the beginning of the year (when he was fresher) and also faster later in his career, it surely helped and made the difference.

Bottom line, I think we should not hold it against Federer for not winning it in many years.Take a look at Connors for example, he won it last time in 1983 while playing till mid 1990s, so it's not unusual.JMac also won it the last time in 1984, while he retired in 1994, and it's unlikely that he would have won it again had he played as long as Fed or Connors did anyway.
 
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DjokoLand

Hall of Fame
USO being the last slam in the calendar made the difference as he got older by mid 2010s, that alongside with his 40-15 failures against Djokovic and conditions being slower/bouncier compared to the 2000s.You can argue that 2014 was a wasted opportunity though.He has managed to win more titles at the AO, which is anticlimatic in the sense that he was more dominant at the USO back in his prime, but the AO being at the beginning of the year (when he was fresher) and also faster later in his career, it surely helped and made the difference.

Bottom line, I think we should not hold it against Federer for not winning it in many years.Take a look at Connors for example, he won it last time in 1983 while playing till mid 1990s, so it's not unusual.JMac also won it the last time in 1984, while he retired in 1994, and it's unlikely that he would have won it again had he played as long as Fed or Connors did anyway.
Well obviously Fed had tough loses there and hard matches but I still think he should of done better there.
Also while it happened to Connors doesn’t make a difference to me as Fed is far better
 

TheFifthSet

Legend
My results-based analysis senses tingle.
Federer mostly underestimated del Potro's movement, the way the match had gone until then justified it. Couldn't expect del Potro to make a very tough pass at 30-30 then another good one on BP.
30-0: regulation slice dumped into the net
30-15: weak reply elicited off the return, had serious real estate in the deuce court to put away the point and instead hit a bad drop shot that sat up
30-30: rushed approach shot, doesn’t close down the net with any authority, targets Delpo’s fh when an I/I fh would have opened up the court
30-40: credit to Delpo for hitting a great pass in a position where he should have lost the point 80 times out of 100…but, still, floater volley from Fed with so much open court to work with.

Horrifying service game, even considering Delpo’s solid play. Can’t expect Delpo to hit those passes, yes, but he didn’t manufacture the daylight that enabled them, Fed did with his play. It’s like he just wanted the set over with and could not deign to play a well-constructed point.
 
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DjokoLand

Hall of Fame
30-0: regulation slice dumped into the net
30-15: weak reply elicited off the return, had serious real estate in the deuce court to put away the point and instead hit a bad drop shot that sat up
30-30: bad approach shot, doesn’t close down the net with any authority, targets Delpo’s fh when an I/I fh would have opened up the court
30-40: credit to Delpo for hitting a great pass in a position where he should have lost the point 80 times out of 100…but, still, floater volley from Fed with so much open court to work with.

Horrifying service game, even considering Delpo’s solid play. Can’t expect Delpo to hit those passes, yes, but he didn’t manufacture the daylight that enabled them, Fed did with his play.
Fed 09 F was worse than 10 and 11 vs Djokovic.
2010 against Djokovic wasn’t a choke as it was on Djokovic serve and he played the points great.
2011 will always be remembered for the choke but 09 was worse for me
 

Third Serve

G.O.A.T.
Fed 09 F was worse than 10 and 11 vs Djokovic.
2010 against Djokovic wasn’t a choke as it was on Djokovic serve and he played the points great.
2011 will always be remembered for the choke but 09 was worse for me
2010 was considerably worse than 2009 or 2011. That match was quite an errorfest and Fed was garbage for good portions of it but it was at least dramatic.
 

TheFifthSet

Legend
Fed 09 F was worse than 10 and 11 vs Djokovic.
2010 against Djokovic wasn’t a choke as it was on Djokovic serve and he played the points great.
2011 will always be remembered for the choke but 09 was worse for me

I think it was worse in the sense that Fed was well and truly the better player for the first 4 sets of ‘09, whereas Djokovic was better in ‘10/‘11 and the result aligned with each players respective forms. The ending was less climactic in ‘09, but I maintain that he had no business losing that final.
 

The Big Foe fan

Hall of Fame
It obviously is though. He has lost 4 finals there and 3 where to prime Djokovic.
Federer making W finals at 33+ and would of had double digit titles there if not for the other goat.
USO 5 in a row is impressive but not winning one since makes it less impressive for me
Well ya got a point too bruh. But I still think rog played his best tennis on hardcourts.
 

The Big Foe fan

Hall of Fame
I've read posts saying that Fed was better on indoor hardcourts than on grass and I'd say that, while it's unpopular, it's far from being outrageous or something.It might even worth a thread 8-B
Finally someone agreeing with me, hah...
Please go ahead with the idea bruh.
 

teotjunk

Rookie
To be fair Jimmy Connors and Ivan Lendl were quite close (given their competition relative to Federer) to having five consecutive and Federer nearly lost 2007
 
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abmk

Bionic Poster
30-0: regulation slice dumped into the net
30-15: weak reply elicited off the return, had serious real estate in the deuce court to put away the point and instead hit a bad drop shot that sat up
30-30: rushed approach shot, doesn’t close down the net with any authority, targets Delpo’s fh when an I/I fh would have opened up the court
30-40: credit to Delpo for hitting a great pass in a position where he should have lost the point 80 times out of 100…but, still, floater volley from Fed with so much open court to work with.

Horrifying service game, even considering Delpo’s solid play. Can’t expect Delpo to hit those passes, yes, but he didn’t manufacture the daylight that enabled them, Fed did with his play. It’s like he just wanted the set over with and could not deign to play a well-constructed point.
tbf, fed drew a BH error with slice on 1st point and hit a monstrous kick serve to up 30-0.
30-15 is the worst point. should have put it away with the FH instead of attempting that bad drop shot
30-30, he should have gone to ad court instead of deuce court, but still the FH clipped the line and delpo was still able to make the pass
30-40, nothing to blame fed for honestly.
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
In theory it should be the USO because of there being more good hard court players, but you could also easily argue that 03-04 Roddick and 07 Nadal on grass were better than any hard court opponents he faced.
04 Roddick and 07 Nadal at Wimbledon, yes. Not 03 Wim SF Roddick though.
04 USO QF Agassi, 05 USO QF Hewitt , 07 USO QF Roddick at USO himself and 08 USO Djokovic were better than 03 Wim SF Roddick
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
My results-based analysis senses tingle.
Federer mostly underestimated del Potro's movement, the way the match had gone until then justified it. Couldn't expect del Potro to make a very tough pass at 30-30 then another good one on BP.
I agree with the sentiment, but at 30 all, while the FH approach was deep and hit the line, he still had the open court on the ad side and that'd be the better choice.
30-40 point is all credit to delpo.
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
To be fair Jimmy Connors, John Mcenroe and Ivan Lendl was quite close to having five consecutive and Federer nearly lost 2007
never happened. JMac had 3 in a row from 79-81 and lost in straights in SF to Lendl in 82.
Jimmy won in 74, 76, 78, 82,83. Not more than 2 in a row.
Lendl won 3 in a row from 85-87 and lost a 5-setter to Wilander in 88 final.

Federer never came remotely close to losing in USO 07. He lost 1 set in 2 matches each. That's it.
Even if Djoko had taken 1st set, fed would have raised his level and probably taken it in 4 sets.
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
Fed 09 F was worse than 10 and 11 vs Djokovic.
2010 against Djokovic wasn’t a choke as it was on Djokovic serve and he played the points great.
2011 will always be remembered for the choke but 09 was worse for me
11 the worse choke.

Tentative 1st serve at 40-15 that Djoko took a swipe at and just got in.
FH UE on 40-30
DF on BP

As if that wasn't enough, another mediocre game to get broken again.
 
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