More impressive SF run: Connors vs. Federer vs. Djokovic

More impressive Slam Semis Streak?

  • Jimmy Connors USO 74-85

    Votes: 6 19.4%
  • Novak Djokovic USO 07-18

    Votes: 9 29.0%
  • Roger Federer AO 04-14

    Votes: 16 51.6%

  • Total voters
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BGod

G.O.A.T.
Background
So Jimmy Connors holds the record of most consecutive semifinals or better at a Slam with 12 at the US Open. However this included 4 years where the tournament was Bo3 in the first 3 rounds, meaning 3 less sets needed to win it all and in 1977 it was Bo3 until the quarters. So in total Connors needed 13 less sets to maintain his 11 semifinal streak. You can say he makes up for it by winning 15 sets to make an extra semi but it doesn't erase him having easier earlier rounds for 3 tournaments. So keep that in mind.

Djokovic has currently made 11 consecutive semifinal or better at the USO. Some will say he missed 2017 due to injury and thus it's not a true consecutive streak but I believe that's silly logic as there's a massive difference between being injured and not playing well enough. Others will also point out his 2016 run having effectively 2 walkovers and a shortened match due to retirement.

Federer meanwhile has only made 10 total semifinals at the USO but that's why we'll be looking at his Aussie Open from 2004-2014 and indeed what makes it so impressive is how it outlived his collective streaks at the other Slams by 5 years. He failed to make the semifinals of Wimbledon 3 times, French 3 times and USO twice in that span. He continued pad his Aussie SF totals after his 2015 third round loss and is now on 3 meaning he's made it to the final four an astounding 14 of the last 15 editions. But we will only concentrate on his 11 in a row.

Beyond The SF
Connors made 7 Finals winning 5. This included a run of 5 straight finals from 74-78 and back to back titles 82-83.
Djokovic made a total of 8 Finals with 3 wins. He's had streaks of 4 and 3 consecutive Finals but no back to backs.
Federer hasn't made more than 2 consecutive Finals at the AO but he sports a 4-1 record and back to backs in 06-07 including a perfect run (zero sets dropped) in 07.

Who Beat Them
Connors lost his 2 Finals to Orantes in straights and Vilas in 4 when the tournament was held on clay. He lost his 5 semifinals to Borg, Lendl and McEnroe in straights and an additional 2 five set epics with McEnroe.
Djokovic lost his 5 Finals to Nadal on 2 occasions in 4, Wawrinka in 4, Murray in 5 and Federer in straights. His 3 semifinal losses were to Federer twice in a tight 3 set, 4 set and Nishikori in 4.
Federer's only Finals loss came to Nadal in 5. He also lost 4 consecutive Semifinals to Nadal and Novak in straights, to Nadal again in 4 and to Murray in 5. His 2 other semifinal losses came to Safin in 5 and Novak in straights.
 

Bobby Jr

G.O.A.T.
Background

Djokovic .... missed 2017 due to injury and thus it's not a true consecutive streak but I believe that's silly logic...

Federer ... continued pad his Aussie SF totals after his 2015 third round loss and is now on 3 meaning he's made it to the final four an astounding 14 of the last 15 editions. But we will only concentrate on his 11 in a row.
Dear God. Can you be more one-eyed?

A streak ends when a player misses a year for whatever reason. Injury, can't be arsed, boycott, a world war, the tournament not being held. ALL of it. Period.
 

BGod

G.O.A.T.
A streak ends when a player misses a year for whatever reason. Injury, can't be arsed, boycott, a world war, the tournament not being held. ALL of it. Period.

Funny, Michael Jordan and LeBron James continued to maintain their streaks of 10+ points despite missing games due to injury or rest. But silly me.

Fact is, Djokovic has not been defeated prior to the Semifinals of the US Open since 2006. His streak continues for me and I'm sure many others. Federer lost to Seppi.
 
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Deleted member 763024

Guest
Funny, Michael Jordan and LeBron James continued to maintain their streaks of 10+ points despite missing games due to injury or rest. But silly me.

Fact is, Djokovic has not been defeated prior to the Semifinals of the US Open since 2006. His streak continues for me and I'm sure many others. Federer lost to Seppi.

That’s why they are called streaks. One break and it is a new streak. Can’t continue a broken streak with imaginary results.

Also the very reason such streaks are considered great is precisely because they can be broken easily for whatever reason - injury, illness, a hot opponent on a given day.
 

BGod

G.O.A.T.
That’s why they are called streaks. One break and it is a new streak. Can’t continue a broken streak with imaginary results.

Also the very reason such streaks are considered great is precisely because they can be broken easily for whatever reason - injury, illness, a hot opponent on a given day.

No you don't get it. The actual NBA records counted the games Jordan and LeBron played, they missed games but weren't docked for it. There's a difference between under-performing and not playing.

James ties Jordan
 
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Deleted member 763024

Guest
MLB Hitting Streak

There's also the above. So the NBA and MLB which I'm sorry are way above tennis in level of organization concur with my point of view. As you were.

Yeah big difference between an individual sport and a team sport where they can make up **** like this -

Technically, at least, there is no issue. According to Rule 10.23 (b) of the Official Baseball Rules, “a player’s individual consecutive-game hitting streak shall be determined by the consecutive games in which such player appears and is not determined by his club’s games.”

There is no streak if you don’t show up for a party of one.

You can rationalize your preconceived notions whichever way you want, but it doesn’t make it objective or agreed upon
 
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Four-ever

Rookie
Semis alone (not taking into account wins), I'll give it to Connors. Both he and Fed are tied on 14 in total, but Connors' 12 in a row beats Fed's 11. The minute Fed reaches 15 though, I'll give it to him.

The argument for Djokovic's missed 2017 USO not counting is flawed. He was simply beaten by injury instead of a player. Tennis waits for no man.
 
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BrokenGears

Guest
Thankfully people on tennis forums don’t get to decide whether or not a streak ends
 

BGod

G.O.A.T.
Semis alone (not taking into account wins), I'll give it to Connors. Both he and Fed are tied on 14 in total, but Connors' 12 in a row beats Fed's 11. The minute Fed reaches 15 though, I'll give it to him.

We're talking about the streaks. You're willing to give Connors the edge because 12>11 but what is your opinion on 4 of Connor's runs coming with Bo3 format for first 3 rounds and 4th round in the one year? Fed didn't have such luxury.
 

metsman

Talk Tennis Guru
lol since when do we count missed tournaments as part of consecutive streaks. The whole point of consecutive streaks is that you were fit and at a high level for X amount of time.
 

Lew II

G.O.A.T.
Both are valid, streaks in consecutive tournaments and in non consecutive tournaments.

If we count UO17 as a pure loss, the same should be valid for YEC 14 final.
 

Four-ever

Rookie
We're talking about the streaks. You're willing to give Connors the edge because 12>11 but what is your opinion on 4 of Connor's runs coming with Bo3 format for first 3 rounds and 4th round in the one year? Fed didn't have such luxury.

It's not like Connors was the only one in the tournament to play BO3 while all the other players played BO5. Everyone had an equal opportunity back then just as they do now and he happened to be at least one of the four strongest players among the field. So no, I don't believe that that should disqualify him.
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
Thankfully people on tennis forums don’t get to decide whether or not a streak ends
LOL, for whatever reason, if you don't reach a semi, the streak is over, either becsuse you were beaten or because you didn't participate. The end result is you still didn't reach the semis, so the streak is over.

The notion that a player who participates and loses should be punished, while the one who stays home gets a free pass is ludicrous.

People on a tennis forum actually have brains to rationalize themselves, so they can very well decide on something that is obvious.
 

BGod

G.O.A.T.
LOL, for whatever reason, if you don't reach a semi, the streak is over, either becsuse you were beaten or because you didn't participate. The end result is you still didn't reach the semis, so the streak is over.

The notion that a player who participates and loses should be punished, while the one who stays home gets a free pass is ludicrous.

People on a tennis forum actually have brains to rationalize themselves, so they can very well decide on something that is obvious.

You have to go out and perform. You can't run away from opponents and in tennis you have to lose an entire year. It's not like skipping handfuls of a Slam pays off as you get older. Nadal skipped 2012 and 2014 USOs but had to face the music 15-16. You can assume all you want about Novak but he was clearly injured and needed to recover, again not the same as going out there and losing. In boxing, an individual sport you have lineal championship.
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
You have to go out and perform. You can't run away from opponents and in tennis you have to lose an entire year. It's not like skipping handfuls of a Slam pays off as you get older. Nadal skipped 2012 and 2014 USOs but had to face the music 15-16. You can assume all you want about Novak but he was clearly injured and needed to recover, again not the same as going out there and losing. In boxing, an individual sport you have lineal championship.
The fact is Novak didn't reach the semis, so the streak ended. He doesn't get a free pass just because he didn't participate, while Fed gets punished because he actually participated.
 

Bobby Jr

G.O.A.T.
Funny, Michael Jordan and LeBron James continued to maintain their streaks of 10+ points despite missing games due to injury or rest. But silly me.
Scoring streaks like that are just stats - like a batter in cricket continuing his run after being not-out at the end of an innings etc. Actual whole tournaments don't count.

You're conflating sporting stats with sporting results. There is a glaring difference, and obviously so if you think about it for more than 10 seconds.

A comparable tennis stat to your example would be a player who served consecutive aces across multiple games. Of course his streak doesn't even at 4 when the opponent gets a turn to serve. The ace streak can continue until it ends.

Again conflating random sporting metrics/stats with results - as-in outcomes of a match - is just silly.
 

Towny

Hall of Fame
Probably Connors. It was the longest streak, and though he has multiple BO3 rounds in some of the years, he also had the misfortune of his best slam being transformed into his worst surface for 3 straight years in the middle of his prime. He still reached the finals in all 3 and beat Borg and Vilas for the one he won on clay.

Add to that he actually won 5 titles in his streak as opposed to 3 for Djokovic and 4 for Federer. All 3 streaks are impressive but I'd take Connors.

That being said, what's amazing about Fed and Novak's streaks are that it wasn't even done at their best slams
 

Eren

Professional
Both are valid, streaks in consecutive tournaments and in non consecutive tournaments.

If we count UO17 as a pure loss, the same should be valid for YEC 14 final.

We don't count it as a loss, it's simply not a win. Just like YEC 2014 isn't a win for Federer. It's a RU without defeat as per ATP official stats.

Besides, you're the guy who counts it as Fedr's loss, with your own logic, this is Djoker's loss as well.
 

Lew II

G.O.A.T.
We don't count it as a loss, it's simply not a win. Just like YEC 2014 isn't a win for Federer. It's a RU without defeat as per ATP official stats.

Besides, you're the guy who counts it as Fedr's loss, with your own logic, this is Djoker's loss as well.

It could or could not be a loss/win, depends on points of view. It's like half a loss/win IMO.
 
Dear God. Can you be more one-eyed?

A streak ends when a player misses a year for whatever reason. Injury, can't be arsed, boycott, a world war, the tournament not being held. ALL of it. Period.
Not sure if war/tournament not being held counts since it's not the player's fault for not participating.
 

Bobby Jr

G.O.A.T.
Not sure if war/tournament not being held counts since it's not the player's fault for not participating.
It's not the player's fault if they get hit by a car and can't play either.

It's binary: either you played and kept a streak active or you didn't. There are no asterisks you get to apply saying "yeah but..."

If it was as some are saying - and these stats mattered one iota, which they don't - then players who specialised on a surface would be "injured" whenever they thought they couldn't win so as to keep stats/metrics streaks alive for when they feel great.
 

Luka888

Professional
The Oscar goes to Connorer, Djokorer and Fedrarovic.

I'm not sure why this even matters ... One thing I dislike so much is when people try to make parallels between different eras, different courts, wooden racquets etc. Would like sir, serve and volley or fries with your burger?

I mean, let's look at the stats like 'who is the most succeful one in R3 of any matches they have every played'? I don't know but I would like to know. No, I was talking about my dog who would like to know :unsure::). My dog likes bacon too btw. I'm trying to make him a vegan but he just doesn't care.
 
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BrokenGears

Guest
LOL, for whatever reason, if you don't reach a semi, the streak is over, either becsuse you were beaten or because you didn't participate. The end result is you still didn't reach the semis, so the streak is over.

The notion that a player who participates and loses should be punished, while the one who stays home gets a free pass is ludicrous.

People on a tennis forum actually have brains to rationalize themselves, so they can very well decide on something that is obvious.

Oh yes, a hive mind of fans rationalizing to discredit other tennis players

This is an absolutely terrible ****ing argument and a bunch of Fed fans don’t speak for every single tennis fan or poster

People hold different opinions and unless the ATP comes out and defines what streaks are, no one is more right than the other

Lol at just because more people agree, it means my opinion is right. Just lol
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
Oh yes, a hive mind of fans rationalizing to discredit other tennis players

This is an absolutely terrible ****ing argument and a bunch of Fed fans don’t speak for every single tennis fan or poster

People hold different opinions and unless the ATP comes out and defines what streaks are, no one is more right than the other

Lol at just because more people agree, it means my opinion is right. Just lol
That's not what I meant. I meant that you we forum members have our own brains to think for ourselves. And the way I see it, this is common sense. You weren't in the semis => the streak is over. Not participating leads to the same end result as losing early.

Otherwise, we might start to say absurd things like Federer reaching 6 straight slam semis in 2015-2017 LOL.

Saying a streak is over for Novak because he missed one edition is not discrediting. So now speaking the truth means discrediting?
 
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BrokenGears

Guest
That's not what I meant. I meant that you we forum members have our own brains to think for ourselves. And the way I see it, this is common sense. You weren't in the semis => the streak is over. Not participating leads to the same end result as losing early.

Otherwise, we might start to say absurd things like Federer reaching 6 straight slam semis in 2015-2017 LOL.

Saying a streak is over for Novak because he missed one edition is not discrediting. So now speaking the truth means discrediting?

There’s a difference between losing and missing because you were injured. If you play, it counts, if you can’t play because of something like an injury, it shouldn’t be taken against you
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
That's not what I meant. I meant that you we forum members have our own brains to think for ourselves. And the way I see it, this is common sense. You weren't in the semis => the streak is over. Not participating leads to the same end result as losing early.

Otherwise, we might start to say absurd things like Federer reaching 6 straight slam semis in 2015-2017 LOL.

Saying a streak is over for Novak because he missed one edition is not discrediting. So now speaking the truth means discrediting?


:-D:-D
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
There’s a difference between losing and missing because you were injured. If you play, it counts, if you can’t play because of something like an injury, it shouldn’t be taken against you
If you miss the tournament, the streak is over. The end result is the same as losing early.

Maintaining a streak is also about staying healthy as much as it is about winning.
 

Phoenix1983

G.O.A.T.
No one is counting it against him, it's just not a streak anymore...

I’ve actually seen this argued both ways man.

There are records for both “consecutive slam finals/semis/quarters”, and “consecutive slam finals/semis/quarters when competing” - Connors scores highly on these latter metrics, as he missed loads of AOs/FOs but always got to the later stages of W and USO for more than a decade.

Having said that my personal preference is to look at the former metric.
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
I’ve actually seen this argued both ways man.

There are records for both “consecutive slam finals/semis/quarters”, and “consecutive slam finals/semis/quarters when competing” - Connors scores highly on these latter metrics, as he missed loads of AOs/FOs but always got to the later stages of W and USO for more than a decade.

Having said that my personal preference is to look at the former metric.
Streaks when competing is way too convenient.
 

metsman

Talk Tennis Guru
Holy crap this thread is a disaster. Anyways, good to know that Pete's streak of winning 1 straight slam is alive and well and that Federer reached 6 straight slam semis from 15-17.
 
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