Most bagels dished of all time

[zagor]

Interesting list. I don't think however that the # of bagels relates to the strength/depth of the field so much.

Atleast for Fed I remember a number of matches where he dished out a bagel were otherwise pretty competitive (think of his 2006 AO run, 5 setter against Haas and the final against Marcos), certainly more so than many of for example Sampras' 6-4 6-4 wins.

I think the list is more of a reflection of playing style and/or preferred surfaces. I expect players whose best surface is clay (Borg and Nadal) or whose ROS is widely recognized as their biggest strength like Novak, Agassi or Connors to rank above guys like Sampras who had supreme confidence in their serve and were just looking for that one break. Fed is a chameleon that is pretty balanced between defense and offense so he dished out a lot of bagels during his athletic peak (2004-2006) but later in his career moprhed into a much more serve focused player.

 

[zagor]

Double post.

 

[zep]

Based on that aforementioned MTF thread, the updated numbers for Federer, Nadal and Djokovic at the end of 2017 should be

Nadal - 96
Federer- 90
Djokovic- 88

@money_ball

 

[NatF]

Based on that aforementioned MTF thread, the updated numbers for Federer, Nadal and Djokovic at the end of 2017 should be

Nadal - 96
Federer- 90
Djokovic- 88

@money_ball

TA has Nadal at 91: http://www.tennisabstract.com/cgi-bin/player.cgi?p=RafaelNadal&f=ACareerqqQ8

Federer is at 87 by their count, haven't check Djokovic. Wonder where those extra ones are coming from.

 

[zep]

TA has Nadal at 91: http://www.tennisabstract.com/cgi-bin/player.cgi?p=RafaelNadal&f=ACareerqqQ8

Federer is at 87 by their count, haven't check Djokovic. Wonder where those extra ones are coming from.

I think 91 is the total number of matches with Bagels. Some of them have double Bagels. 96 is the number of Bagel sets.

 

[BHServe]

Kind of bizarre that their slam count lines up perfectly with active years on tour...

No it doesn’t, slam count of those three stands at 19-16-12. Or does Novak have some 2 moral slams in his back pocket that I’m not aware of?

 

[Sudacafan]

For what it's worth
Dimitrov leads Goffin 5-1 their ATP matches H2H, and I just noticed that there were two bagels in the only 6 matches they played.
Goffin dished the first bagel in 2014, casually in the first set they played against each other for ATP in 2014, in a match Dimitrov won in the end.
This year they played the 5 remaining matches of their rivalry.
Dimi returned the "bagel favor" to Goffin in the RR match between them in WTF 2017.

 

[donquijote]

It shows Fedalovic era is much stronger than 80's and 90's.

 

[money_ball]

@zep So I pulled all the Nadal matches from my database with all the ATP data, and here is what I have:

Matches where Nadal won and dished at least 1 bagel: 81
1 | 2003 | 2003.04.21 | 60 (RET) | Barcelona | Round of 64 | Rafael Nadal | Juan Antonio Marin
2 | 2003 | 2003.07.07 | 60 64 | Bastad | Round of 16 | Rafael Nadal | Albert Portas
3 | 2004 | 2004.08.30 | 60 63 46 26 63 | US Open | Round of 128 | Rafael Nadal | Ivo Heuberger
4 | 2005 | 2005.01.17 | 60 64 62 | Australian Open | Round of 128 | Rafael Nadal | Julien Benneteau
5 | 2005 | 2005.02.14 | 60 67(2) 61 | Sao Paulo | Finals | Rafael Nadal | Alberto Martin
6 | 2005 | 2005.02.21 | 61 60 | Acapulco | Finals | Rafael Nadal | Albert Montanes
7 | 2005 | 2005.04.11 | 63 60 | ATP Masters Series Monte Carlo | Quarter-Finals | Rafael Nadal | Gaston Gaudio
8 | 2005 | 2005.04.11 | 60 63 | ATP Masters Series Monte Carlo | Round of 32 | Rafael Nadal | Xavier Malisse
9 | 2005 | 2005.04.18 | 60 62 | Barcelona | Round of 32 | Rafael Nadal | Gilles Muller
10 | 2005 | 2005.05.02 | 60 62 | ATP Masters Series Rome | Round of 64 | Rafael Nadal | Mikhail Youzhny
11 | 2005 | 2005.05.23 | 75 62 60 | Roland Garros | Quarter-Finals | Rafael Nadal | David Ferrer
12 | 2005 | 2005.05.23 | 64 36 60 63 | Roland Garros | Round of 16 | Rafael Nadal | Sebastien Grosjean
13 | 2005 | 2005.06.20 | 64 63 60 | Wimbledon | Round of 128 | Rafael Nadal | Vincent Spadea
14 | 2006 | 2006.03.06 | 75 60 | ATP Masters Series Indian Wells | Quarter-Finals | Rafael Nadal | Marcos Baghdatis
15 | 2006 | 2006.04.24 | 64 64 60 | Barcelona | Finals | Rafael Nadal | Tommy Robredo
16 | 2007 | 2007.03.19 | 60 64 | ATP Masters Series Miami | Round of 16 | Rafael Nadal | Juan Martin del Potro
17 | 2007 | 2007.04.15 | 60 75 | ATP Masters Series Monte Carlo | Semi-Finals | Rafael Nadal | Tomas Berdych
18 | 2007 | 2007.05.28 | 64 63 60 | Roland Garros | Quarter-Finals | Rafael Nadal | Carlos Moya
19 | 2007 | 2007.08.05 | 76(4) 60 | ATP Masters Series Canada | Round of 32 | Rafael Nadal | Marat Safin
20 | 2008 | 2008.01.14 | 60 62 62 | Australian Open | Round of 64 | Rafael Nadal | Florent Serra
21 | 2008 | 2008.03.03 | 64 60 | Dubai | Round of 16 | Rafael Nadal | Mikhail Ledovskikh
22 | 2008 | 2008.04.20 | 60 63 | ATP Masters Series Monte Carlo | Round of 32 | Rafael Nadal | Mario Ancic
23 | 2008 | 2008.04.28 | 61 60 | Barcelona | Semi-Finals | Rafael Nadal | Denis Gremelmayr
24 | 2008 | 2008.05.25 | 61 63 60 | Roland Garros | Finals | Rafael Nadal | Roger Federer
25 | 2008 | 2008.05.25 | 61 60 62 | Roland Garros | Round of 16 | Rafael Nadal | Fernando Verdasco
26 | 2008 | 2008.05.25 | 64 60 61 | Roland Garros | Round of 64 | Rafael Nadal | Nicolas Devilder
27 | 2008 | 2008.07.28 | 60 61 | ATP Masters Series Cincinnati | Round of 32 | Rafael Nadal | Florent Serra
28 | 2008 | 2008.08.11 | 60 64 | Beijing Olympics | Quarter-Finals | Rafael Nadal | Jurgen Melzer
29 | 2008 | 2008.08.25 | 64 63 60 | US Open | Round of 32 | Rafael Nadal | Viktor Troicki
30 | 2009 | 2009.01.05 | 60 61 | Doha | Round of 32 | Rafael Nadal | Fabrice Santoro
31 | 2009 | 2009.01.19 | 60 62 62 | Australian Open | Round of 128 | Rafael Nadal | Christophe Rochus
32 | 2009 | 2009.03.12 | 36 76(5) 60 | ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Indian Wells | Round of 16 | Rafael Nadal | David Nalbandian
33 | 2009 | 2009.04.12 | 63 60 | ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Monte Carlo | Round of 16 | Rafael Nadal | Nicolas Lapentti
34 | 2009 | 2009.04.20 | 62 60 | Barcelona | Round of 16 | Rafael Nadal | Christophe Rochus
35 | 2009 | 2009.04.27 | 61 60 | ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Rome | Round of 16 | Rafael Nadal | Robin Soderling
36 | 2009 | 2009.08.31 | 76(4) 76(2) 60 | US Open | Quarter-Finals | Rafael Nadal | Fernando Gonzalez
37 | 2009 | 2009.08.31 | 60 36 63 64 | US Open | Round of 64 | Rafael Nadal | Nicolas Kiefer
38 | 2010 | 2010.04.11 | 60 61 | ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Monte Carlo | Finals | Rafael Nadal | Fernando Verdasco
39 | 2010 | 2010.04.11 | 60 61 | ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Monte Carlo | Round of 16 | Rafael Nadal | Michael Berrer
40 | 2010 | 2010.04.11 | 61 60 | ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Monte Carlo | Round of 32 | Rafael Nadal | Thiemo de Bakker
41 | 2010 | 2010.06.21 | 57 62 36 60 63 | Wimbledon | Round of 64 | Rafael Nadal | Robin Haase
42 | 2011 | 2011.01.03 | 63 60 | Doha | Round of 32 | Rafael Nadal | Karol Beck
43 | 2011 | 2011.01.17 | 60 50 (RET) | Australian Open | Round of 128 | Rafael Nadal | Marcos Daniel
44 | 2011 | 2011.03.10 | 60 62 | ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Indian Wells | Round of 64 | Rafael Nadal | Rik De Voest
45 | 2011 | 2011.05.08 | 67(5) 64 60 | ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Rome | Round of 32 | Rafael Nadal | Paolo Lorenzi
46 | 2011 | 2011.05.22 | 61 63 60 | Roland Garros | Round of 32 | Rafael Nadal | Antonio Veic
47 | 2011 | 2011.06.20 | 76(6) 76(5) 60 | Wimbledon | Round of 32 | Rafael Nadal | Gilles Muller
48 | 2012 | 2012.03.21 | 62 60 | ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Miami | Round of 64 | Rafael Nadal | Santiago Giraldo
49 | 2012 | 2012.04.23 | 60 64 | Barcelona | Semi-Finals | Rafael Nadal | Fernando Verdasco
50 | 2012 | 2012.05.13 | 76(6) 60 | ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Rome | Semi-Finals | Rafael Nadal | David Ferrer
51 | 2012 | 2012.05.27 | 62 60 60 | Roland Garros | Round of 16 | Rafael Nadal | Juan Monaco
52 | 2012 | 2012.05.27 | 62 62 60 | Roland Garros | Round of 64 | Rafael Nadal | Denis Istomin
53 | 2013 | 2013.02.25 | 60 62 | Acapulco | Finals | Rafael Nadal | David Ferrer
54 | 2013 | 2013.02.25 | 60 64 | Acapulco | Round of 16 | Rafael Nadal | Martin Alund
55 | 2013 | 2013.04.22 | 64 60 | Barcelona | Semi-Finals | Rafael Nadal | Milos Raonic
56 | 2013 | 2013.04.22 | 63 60 | Barcelona | Quarter-Finals | Rafael Nadal | Albert Ramos-Vinolas
57 | 2013 | 2013.05.05 | 60 64 | ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Madrid | Semi-Finals | Rafael Nadal | Pablo Andujar
58 | 2013 | 2013.05.05 | 46 76(3) 60 | ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Madrid | Quarter-Finals | Rafael Nadal | David Ferrer
59 | 2013 | 2013.08.05 | 62 60 | ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Canada | Round of 32 | Rafael Nadal | Jesse Levine
60 | 2013 | 2013.08.26 | 60 62 62 | US Open | Quarter-Finals | Rafael Nadal | Tommy Robredo
61 | 2013 | 2013.08.26 | 62 61 60 | US Open | Round of 64 | Rafael Nadal | Rogerio Dutra Silva
62 | 2014 | 2014.02.17 | 61 60 | Rio de Janeiro | Quarter-Finals | Rafael Nadal | Joao Sousa
63 | 2014 | 2014.03.19 | 61 60 | ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Miami | Round of 32 | Rafael Nadal | Denis Istomin
64 | 2014 | 2014.05.04 | 61 60 | ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Madrid | Round of 32 | Rafael Nadal | Juan Monaco
65 | 2014 | 2014.05.26 | 46 64 60 61 | Roland Garros | Quarter-Finals | Rafael Nadal | David Ferrer
66 | 2014 | 2014.05.26 | 60 63 60 | Roland Garros | Round of 128 | Rafael Nadal | Robby Ginepri
67 | 2014 | 2014.09.29 | 64 60 | Beijing | Round of 32 | Rafael Nadal | Richard Gasquet
68 | 2015 | 2015.01.19 | 61 60 75 | Australian Open | Round of 32 | Rafael Nadal | Dudi Sela
69 | 2015 | 2015.02.16 | 46 75 60 | Rio de Janeiro | Quarter-Finals | Rafael Nadal | Pablo Cuevas
70 | 2015 | 2015.02.23 | 64 60 | Buenos Aires | Round of 16 | Rafael Nadal | Facundo Arguello
71 | 2015 | 2015.05.10 | 62 60 | ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Rome | Round of 32 | Rafael Nadal | Marsel Ilhan
72 | 2016 | 2016.03.10 | 67(8) 60 75 | ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Indian Wells | Round of 16 | Rafael Nadal | Alexander Zverev
73 | 2016 | 2016.03.10 | 60 76(9) | ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Indian Wells | Round of 32 | Rafael Nadal | Fernando Verdasco
74 | 2016 | 2016.04.10 | 75 57 60 | ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Monte Carlo | Finals | Rafael Nadal | Gael Monfils
75 | 2016 | 2016.05.01 | 60 46 63 | ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Madrid | Quarter-Finals | Rafael Nadal | Joao Sousa
76 | 2016 | 2016.05.22 | 63 60 63 | Roland Garros | Round of 64 | Rafael Nadal | Facundo Bagnis
77 | 2016 | 2016.08.29 | 60 75 61 | US Open | Round of 64 | Rafael Nadal | Andreas Seppi
78 | 2017 | 2017.04.16 | 60 57 63 | Monte-Carlo Rolex Masters | Round of 32 | Rafael Nadal | Kyle Edmund
79 | 2017 | 2017.05.28 | 63 64 60 | Roland Garros | Semi-Finals | Rafael Nadal | Dominic Thiem
80 | 2017 | 2017.05.28 | 60 61 60 | Roland Garros | Round of 32 | Rafael Nadal | Nikoloz Basilashvili
81 | 2017 | 2017.08.28 | 46 60 63 62 | US Open | Semi-Finals | Rafael Nadal | Juan Martin del Potro

Matches where Nadal won and dished at least 2 bagels: 3
1 | 2012 | 2012.05.27 | 62 60 60 | Roland Garros | Round of 16 | Rafael Nadal | Juan Monaco
2 | 2014 | 2014.05.26 | 60 63 60 | Roland Garros | Round of 128 | Rafael Nadal | Robby Ginepri
3 | 2017 | 2017.05.28 | 60 61 60 | Roland Garros | Round of 32 | Rafael Nadal | Nikoloz Basilashvili

Matches where Nadal lost and dished at least 1 bagel: 3
1 | 2005 | 2005.02.07 | 06 60 61 | Buenos Aires | Quarter-Finals | Gaston Gaudio | Rafael Nadal
2 | 2010 | 2010.01.04 | 06 76(8) 64 | Doha | Finals | Nikolay Davydenko | Rafael Nadal
3 | 2015 | 2015.10.11 | 64 06 75 | ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Shanghai | Semi-Finals | Jo-Wilfried Tsonga | Rafael Nadal

So total bagel sets that Nadal dished = 81 + 3 + 3 = 87

Let me know what I am missing?

 

[Sudacafan]

@zep So I pulled all the Nadal matches from my database with all the ATP data, and here is what I have:

Matches where Nadal won and dished at least 1 bagel: 81
1 | 2003 | 2003.04.21 | 60 (RET) | Barcelona | Round of 64 | Rafael Nadal | Juan Antonio Marin
2 | 2003 | 2003.07.07 | 60 64 | Bastad | Round of 16 | Rafael Nadal | Albert Portas
3 | 2004 | 2004.08.30 | 60 63 46 26 63 | US Open | Round of 128 | Rafael Nadal | Ivo Heuberger
4 | 2005 | 2005.01.17 | 60 64 62 | Australian Open | Round of 128 | Rafael Nadal | Julien Benneteau
5 | 2005 | 2005.02.14 | 60 67(2) 61 | Sao Paulo | Finals | Rafael Nadal | Alberto Martin
6 | 2005 | 2005.02.21 | 61 60 | Acapulco | Finals | Rafael Nadal | Albert Montanes
7 | 2005 | 2005.04.11 | 63 60 | ATP Masters Series Monte Carlo | Quarter-Finals | Rafael Nadal | Gaston Gaudio
8 | 2005 | 2005.04.11 | 60 63 | ATP Masters Series Monte Carlo | Round of 32 | Rafael Nadal | Xavier Malisse
9 | 2005 | 2005.04.18 | 60 62 | Barcelona | Round of 32 | Rafael Nadal | Gilles Muller
10 | 2005 | 2005.05.02 | 60 62 | ATP Masters Series Rome | Round of 64 | Rafael Nadal | Mikhail Youzhny
11 | 2005 | 2005.05.23 | 75 62 60 | Roland Garros | Quarter-Finals | Rafael Nadal | David Ferrer
12 | 2005 | 2005.05.23 | 64 36 60 63 | Roland Garros | Round of 16 | Rafael Nadal | Sebastien Grosjean
13 | 2005 | 2005.06.20 | 64 63 60 | Wimbledon | Round of 128 | Rafael Nadal | Vincent Spadea
14 | 2006 | 2006.03.06 | 75 60 | ATP Masters Series Indian Wells | Quarter-Finals | Rafael Nadal | Marcos Baghdatis
15 | 2006 | 2006.04.24 | 64 64 60 | Barcelona | Finals | Rafael Nadal | Tommy Robredo
16 | 2007 | 2007.03.19 | 60 64 | ATP Masters Series Miami | Round of 16 | Rafael Nadal | Juan Martin del Potro
17 | 2007 | 2007.04.15 | 60 75 | ATP Masters Series Monte Carlo | Semi-Finals | Rafael Nadal | Tomas Berdych
18 | 2007 | 2007.05.28 | 64 63 60 | Roland Garros | Quarter-Finals | Rafael Nadal | Carlos Moya
19 | 2007 | 2007.08.05 | 76(4) 60 | ATP Masters Series Canada | Round of 32 | Rafael Nadal | Marat Safin
20 | 2008 | 2008.01.14 | 60 62 62 | Australian Open | Round of 64 | Rafael Nadal | Florent Serra
21 | 2008 | 2008.03.03 | 64 60 | Dubai | Round of 16 | Rafael Nadal | Mikhail Ledovskikh
22 | 2008 | 2008.04.20 | 60 63 | ATP Masters Series Monte Carlo | Round of 32 | Rafael Nadal | Mario Ancic
23 | 2008 | 2008.04.28 | 61 60 | Barcelona | Semi-Finals | Rafael Nadal | Denis Gremelmayr
24 | 2008 | 2008.05.25 | 61 63 60 | Roland Garros | Finals | Rafael Nadal | Roger Federer
25 | 2008 | 2008.05.25 | 61 60 62 | Roland Garros | Round of 16 | Rafael Nadal | Fernando Verdasco
26 | 2008 | 2008.05.25 | 64 60 61 | Roland Garros | Round of 64 | Rafael Nadal | Nicolas Devilder
27 | 2008 | 2008.07.28 | 60 61 | ATP Masters Series Cincinnati | Round of 32 | Rafael Nadal | Florent Serra
28 | 2008 | 2008.08.11 | 60 64 | Beijing Olympics | Quarter-Finals | Rafael Nadal | Jurgen Melzer
29 | 2008 | 2008.08.25 | 64 63 60 | US Open | Round of 32 | Rafael Nadal | Viktor Troicki
30 | 2009 | 2009.01.05 | 60 61 | Doha | Round of 32 | Rafael Nadal | Fabrice Santoro
31 | 2009 | 2009.01.19 | 60 62 62 | Australian Open | Round of 128 | Rafael Nadal | Christophe Rochus
32 | 2009 | 2009.03.12 | 36 76(5) 60 | ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Indian Wells | Round of 16 | Rafael Nadal | David Nalbandian
33 | 2009 | 2009.04.12 | 63 60 | ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Monte Carlo | Round of 16 | Rafael Nadal | Nicolas Lapentti
34 | 2009 | 2009.04.20 | 62 60 | Barcelona | Round of 16 | Rafael Nadal | Christophe Rochus
35 | 2009 | 2009.04.27 | 61 60 | ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Rome | Round of 16 | Rafael Nadal | Robin Soderling
36 | 2009 | 2009.08.31 | 76(4) 76(2) 60 | US Open | Quarter-Finals | Rafael Nadal | Fernando Gonzalez
37 | 2009 | 2009.08.31 | 60 36 63 64 | US Open | Round of 64 | Rafael Nadal | Nicolas Kiefer
38 | 2010 | 2010.04.11 | 60 61 | ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Monte Carlo | Finals | Rafael Nadal | Fernando Verdasco
39 | 2010 | 2010.04.11 | 60 61 | ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Monte Carlo | Round of 16 | Rafael Nadal | Michael Berrer
40 | 2010 | 2010.04.11 | 61 60 | ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Monte Carlo | Round of 32 | Rafael Nadal | Thiemo de Bakker
41 | 2010 | 2010.06.21 | 57 62 36 60 63 | Wimbledon | Round of 64 | Rafael Nadal | Robin Haase
42 | 2011 | 2011.01.03 | 63 60 | Doha | Round of 32 | Rafael Nadal | Karol Beck
43 | 2011 | 2011.01.17 | 60 50 (RET) | Australian Open | Round of 128 | Rafael Nadal | Marcos Daniel
44 | 2011 | 2011.03.10 | 60 62 | ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Indian Wells | Round of 64 | Rafael Nadal | Rik De Voest
45 | 2011 | 2011.05.08 | 67(5) 64 60 | ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Rome | Round of 32 | Rafael Nadal | Paolo Lorenzi
46 | 2011 | 2011.05.22 | 61 63 60 | Roland Garros | Round of 32 | Rafael Nadal | Antonio Veic
47 | 2011 | 2011.06.20 | 76(6) 76(5) 60 | Wimbledon | Round of 32 | Rafael Nadal | Gilles Muller
48 | 2012 | 2012.03.21 | 62 60 | ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Miami | Round of 64 | Rafael Nadal | Santiago Giraldo
49 | 2012 | 2012.04.23 | 60 64 | Barcelona | Semi-Finals | Rafael Nadal | Fernando Verdasco
50 | 2012 | 2012.05.13 | 76(6) 60 | ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Rome | Semi-Finals | Rafael Nadal | David Ferrer
51 | 2012 | 2012.05.27 | 62 60 60 | Roland Garros | Round of 16 | Rafael Nadal | Juan Monaco
52 | 2012 | 2012.05.27 | 62 62 60 | Roland Garros | Round of 64 | Rafael Nadal | Denis Istomin
53 | 2013 | 2013.02.25 | 60 62 | Acapulco | Finals | Rafael Nadal | David Ferrer
54 | 2013 | 2013.02.25 | 60 64 | Acapulco | Round of 16 | Rafael Nadal | Martin Alund
55 | 2013 | 2013.04.22 | 64 60 | Barcelona | Semi-Finals | Rafael Nadal | Milos Raonic
56 | 2013 | 2013.04.22 | 63 60 | Barcelona | Quarter-Finals | Rafael Nadal | Albert Ramos-Vinolas
57 | 2013 | 2013.05.05 | 60 64 | ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Madrid | Semi-Finals | Rafael Nadal | Pablo Andujar
58 | 2013 | 2013.05.05 | 46 76(3) 60 | ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Madrid | Quarter-Finals | Rafael Nadal | David Ferrer
59 | 2013 | 2013.08.05 | 62 60 | ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Canada | Round of 32 | Rafael Nadal | Jesse Levine
60 | 2013 | 2013.08.26 | 60 62 62 | US Open | Quarter-Finals | Rafael Nadal | Tommy Robredo
61 | 2013 | 2013.08.26 | 62 61 60 | US Open | Round of 64 | Rafael Nadal | Rogerio Dutra Silva
62 | 2014 | 2014.02.17 | 61 60 | Rio de Janeiro | Quarter-Finals | Rafael Nadal | Joao Sousa
63 | 2014 | 2014.03.19 | 61 60 | ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Miami | Round of 32 | Rafael Nadal | Denis Istomin
64 | 2014 | 2014.05.04 | 61 60 | ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Madrid | Round of 32 | Rafael Nadal | Juan Monaco
65 | 2014 | 2014.05.26 | 46 64 60 61 | Roland Garros | Quarter-Finals | Rafael Nadal | David Ferrer
66 | 2014 | 2014.05.26 | 60 63 60 | Roland Garros | Round of 128 | Rafael Nadal | Robby Ginepri
67 | 2014 | 2014.09.29 | 64 60 | Beijing | Round of 32 | Rafael Nadal | Richard Gasquet
68 | 2015 | 2015.01.19 | 61 60 75 | Australian Open | Round of 32 | Rafael Nadal | Dudi Sela
69 | 2015 | 2015.02.16 | 46 75 60 | Rio de Janeiro | Quarter-Finals | Rafael Nadal | Pablo Cuevas
70 | 2015 | 2015.02.23 | 64 60 | Buenos Aires | Round of 16 | Rafael Nadal | Facundo Arguello
71 | 2015 | 2015.05.10 | 62 60 | ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Rome | Round of 32 | Rafael Nadal | Marsel Ilhan
72 | 2016 | 2016.03.10 | 67(8) 60 75 | ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Indian Wells | Round of 16 | Rafael Nadal | Alexander Zverev
73 | 2016 | 2016.03.10 | 60 76(9) | ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Indian Wells | Round of 32 | Rafael Nadal | Fernando Verdasco
74 | 2016 | 2016.04.10 | 75 57 60 | ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Monte Carlo | Finals | Rafael Nadal | Gael Monfils
75 | 2016 | 2016.05.01 | 60 46 63 | ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Madrid | Quarter-Finals | Rafael Nadal | Joao Sousa
76 | 2016 | 2016.05.22 | 63 60 63 | Roland Garros | Round of 64 | Rafael Nadal | Facundo Bagnis
77 | 2016 | 2016.08.29 | 60 75 61 | US Open | Round of 64 | Rafael Nadal | Andreas Seppi
78 | 2017 | 2017.04.16 | 60 57 63 | Monte-Carlo Rolex Masters | Round of 32 | Rafael Nadal | Kyle Edmund
79 | 2017 | 2017.05.28 | 63 64 60 | Roland Garros | Semi-Finals | Rafael Nadal | Dominic Thiem
80 | 2017 | 2017.05.28 | 60 61 60 | Roland Garros | Round of 32 | Rafael Nadal | Nikoloz Basilashvili
81 | 2017 | 2017.08.28 | 46 60 63 62 | US Open | Semi-Finals | Rafael Nadal | Juan Martin del Potro

Matches where Nadal won and dished at least 2 bagels: 3
1 | 2012 | 2012.05.27 | 62 60 60 | Roland Garros | Round of 16 | Rafael Nadal | Juan Monaco
2 | 2014 | 2014.05.26 | 60 63 60 | Roland Garros | Round of 128 | Rafael Nadal | Robby Ginepri
3 | 2017 | 2017.05.28 | 60 61 60 | Roland Garros | Round of 32 | Rafael Nadal | Nikoloz Basilashvili

Matches where Nadal lost and dished at least 1 bagel: 3
1 | 2005 | 2005.02.07 | 06 60 61 | Buenos Aires | Quarter-Finals | Gaston Gaudio | Rafael Nadal
2 | 2010 | 2010.01.04 | 06 76(8) 64 | Doha | Finals | Nikolay Davydenko | Rafael Nadal
3 | 2015 | 2015.10.11 | 64 06 75 | ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Shanghai | Semi-Finals | Jo-Wilfried Tsonga | Rafael Nadal

So total bagel sets that Nadal dished = 81 + 3 + 3 = 87

Let me know what I am missing?

So Nadal has been bageling grown men before he turned 17? Poor guys!

 

[Vish13]

in order to bagel someone you have to be able to break serve, not just win tiebreaks

It is post like these that makes you miss 90s clay even more

 

[Sudacafan]

Bagel-related thoughts subthread:
It seems easier to dish bagels in clay courts.
I would not think it would be usual to break serve on fast courts, like Wimbledon, the necessary three times in a set to dish a bagel.
What about servebots being dished bagels? It seems almost impossible, as it is so hard to break their service games.
Would be interesting to see how many bagels Isner or Karlovic have been dished in their careers. Should be very few, if any.

 

[Bobby Jr]

That 121 ranked player really skews the average, there were only two players with rankings of 48+ in those 9 events. I'd also want to know the highest ranked player he played or was in the draw rather than just the finals opponent.

And then so does the #1. Remove both outliers and the average rank stays about steady.

I looked at one tournament there and through the players played. Most of the time he didn't play anyone else who had career-high rankings inside the top 20.

 

[buscemi]

@zep So I pulled all the Nadal matches from my database with all the ATP data, and here is what I have:

Matches where Nadal won and dished at least 1 bagel: 81
1 | 2003 | 2003.04.21 | 60 (RET) | Barcelona | Round of 64 | Rafael Nadal | Juan Antonio Marin
2 | 2003 | 2003.07.07 | 60 64 | Bastad | Round of 16 | Rafael Nadal | Albert Portas
3 | 2004 | 2004.08.30 | 60 63 46 26 63 | US Open | Round of 128 | Rafael Nadal | Ivo Heuberger
4 | 2005 | 2005.01.17 | 60 64 62 | Australian Open | Round of 128 | Rafael Nadal | Julien Benneteau
5 | 2005 | 2005.02.14 | 60 67(2) 61 | Sao Paulo | Finals | Rafael Nadal | Alberto Martin
6 | 2005 | 2005.02.21 | 61 60 | Acapulco | Finals | Rafael Nadal | Albert Montanes
7 | 2005 | 2005.04.11 | 63 60 | ATP Masters Series Monte Carlo | Quarter-Finals | Rafael Nadal | Gaston Gaudio
8 | 2005 | 2005.04.11 | 60 63 | ATP Masters Series Monte Carlo | Round of 32 | Rafael Nadal | Xavier Malisse
9 | 2005 | 2005.04.18 | 60 62 | Barcelona | Round of 32 | Rafael Nadal | Gilles Muller
10 | 2005 | 2005.05.02 | 60 62 | ATP Masters Series Rome | Round of 64 | Rafael Nadal | Mikhail Youzhny
11 | 2005 | 2005.05.23 | 75 62 60 | Roland Garros | Quarter-Finals | Rafael Nadal | David Ferrer
12 | 2005 | 2005.05.23 | 64 36 60 63 | Roland Garros | Round of 16 | Rafael Nadal | Sebastien Grosjean
13 | 2005 | 2005.06.20 | 64 63 60 | Wimbledon | Round of 128 | Rafael Nadal | Vincent Spadea
14 | 2006 | 2006.03.06 | 75 60 | ATP Masters Series Indian Wells | Quarter-Finals | Rafael Nadal | Marcos Baghdatis
15 | 2006 | 2006.04.24 | 64 64 60 | Barcelona | Finals | Rafael Nadal | Tommy Robredo
16 | 2007 | 2007.03.19 | 60 64 | ATP Masters Series Miami | Round of 16 | Rafael Nadal | Juan Martin del Potro
17 | 2007 | 2007.04.15 | 60 75 | ATP Masters Series Monte Carlo | Semi-Finals | Rafael Nadal | Tomas Berdych
18 | 2007 | 2007.05.28 | 64 63 60 | Roland Garros | Quarter-Finals | Rafael Nadal | Carlos Moya
19 | 2007 | 2007.08.05 | 76(4) 60 | ATP Masters Series Canada | Round of 32 | Rafael Nadal | Marat Safin
20 | 2008 | 2008.01.14 | 60 62 62 | Australian Open | Round of 64 | Rafael Nadal | Florent Serra
21 | 2008 | 2008.03.03 | 64 60 | Dubai | Round of 16 | Rafael Nadal | Mikhail Ledovskikh
22 | 2008 | 2008.04.20 | 60 63 | ATP Masters Series Monte Carlo | Round of 32 | Rafael Nadal | Mario Ancic
23 | 2008 | 2008.04.28 | 61 60 | Barcelona | Semi-Finals | Rafael Nadal | Denis Gremelmayr
24 | 2008 | 2008.05.25 | 61 63 60 | Roland Garros | Finals | Rafael Nadal | Roger Federer
25 | 2008 | 2008.05.25 | 61 60 62 | Roland Garros | Round of 16 | Rafael Nadal | Fernando Verdasco
26 | 2008 | 2008.05.25 | 64 60 61 | Roland Garros | Round of 64 | Rafael Nadal | Nicolas Devilder
27 | 2008 | 2008.07.28 | 60 61 | ATP Masters Series Cincinnati | Round of 32 | Rafael Nadal | Florent Serra
28 | 2008 | 2008.08.11 | 60 64 | Beijing Olympics | Quarter-Finals | Rafael Nadal | Jurgen Melzer
29 | 2008 | 2008.08.25 | 64 63 60 | US Open | Round of 32 | Rafael Nadal | Viktor Troicki
30 | 2009 | 2009.01.05 | 60 61 | Doha | Round of 32 | Rafael Nadal | Fabrice Santoro
31 | 2009 | 2009.01.19 | 60 62 62 | Australian Open | Round of 128 | Rafael Nadal | Christophe Rochus
32 | 2009 | 2009.03.12 | 36 76(5) 60 | ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Indian Wells | Round of 16 | Rafael Nadal | David Nalbandian
33 | 2009 | 2009.04.12 | 63 60 | ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Monte Carlo | Round of 16 | Rafael Nadal | Nicolas Lapentti
34 | 2009 | 2009.04.20 | 62 60 | Barcelona | Round of 16 | Rafael Nadal | Christophe Rochus
35 | 2009 | 2009.04.27 | 61 60 | ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Rome | Round of 16 | Rafael Nadal | Robin Soderling
36 | 2009 | 2009.08.31 | 76(4) 76(2) 60 | US Open | Quarter-Finals | Rafael Nadal | Fernando Gonzalez
37 | 2009 | 2009.08.31 | 60 36 63 64 | US Open | Round of 64 | Rafael Nadal | Nicolas Kiefer
38 | 2010 | 2010.04.11 | 60 61 | ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Monte Carlo | Finals | Rafael Nadal | Fernando Verdasco
39 | 2010 | 2010.04.11 | 60 61 | ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Monte Carlo | Round of 16 | Rafael Nadal | Michael Berrer
40 | 2010 | 2010.04.11 | 61 60 | ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Monte Carlo | Round of 32 | Rafael Nadal | Thiemo de Bakker
41 | 2010 | 2010.06.21 | 57 62 36 60 63 | Wimbledon | Round of 64 | Rafael Nadal | Robin Haase
42 | 2011 | 2011.01.03 | 63 60 | Doha | Round of 32 | Rafael Nadal | Karol Beck
43 | 2011 | 2011.01.17 | 60 50 (RET) | Australian Open | Round of 128 | Rafael Nadal | Marcos Daniel
44 | 2011 | 2011.03.10 | 60 62 | ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Indian Wells | Round of 64 | Rafael Nadal | Rik De Voest
45 | 2011 | 2011.05.08 | 67(5) 64 60 | ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Rome | Round of 32 | Rafael Nadal | Paolo Lorenzi
46 | 2011 | 2011.05.22 | 61 63 60 | Roland Garros | Round of 32 | Rafael Nadal | Antonio Veic
47 | 2011 | 2011.06.20 | 76(6) 76(5) 60 | Wimbledon | Round of 32 | Rafael Nadal | Gilles Muller
48 | 2012 | 2012.03.21 | 62 60 | ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Miami | Round of 64 | Rafael Nadal | Santiago Giraldo
49 | 2012 | 2012.04.23 | 60 64 | Barcelona | Semi-Finals | Rafael Nadal | Fernando Verdasco
50 | 2012 | 2012.05.13 | 76(6) 60 | ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Rome | Semi-Finals | Rafael Nadal | David Ferrer
51 | 2012 | 2012.05.27 | 62 60 60 | Roland Garros | Round of 16 | Rafael Nadal | Juan Monaco
52 | 2012 | 2012.05.27 | 62 62 60 | Roland Garros | Round of 64 | Rafael Nadal | Denis Istomin
53 | 2013 | 2013.02.25 | 60 62 | Acapulco | Finals | Rafael Nadal | David Ferrer
54 | 2013 | 2013.02.25 | 60 64 | Acapulco | Round of 16 | Rafael Nadal | Martin Alund
55 | 2013 | 2013.04.22 | 64 60 | Barcelona | Semi-Finals | Rafael Nadal | Milos Raonic
56 | 2013 | 2013.04.22 | 63 60 | Barcelona | Quarter-Finals | Rafael Nadal | Albert Ramos-Vinolas
57 | 2013 | 2013.05.05 | 60 64 | ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Madrid | Semi-Finals | Rafael Nadal | Pablo Andujar
58 | 2013 | 2013.05.05 | 46 76(3) 60 | ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Madrid | Quarter-Finals | Rafael Nadal | David Ferrer
59 | 2013 | 2013.08.05 | 62 60 | ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Canada | Round of 32 | Rafael Nadal | Jesse Levine
60 | 2013 | 2013.08.26 | 60 62 62 | US Open | Quarter-Finals | Rafael Nadal | Tommy Robredo
61 | 2013 | 2013.08.26 | 62 61 60 | US Open | Round of 64 | Rafael Nadal | Rogerio Dutra Silva
62 | 2014 | 2014.02.17 | 61 60 | Rio de Janeiro | Quarter-Finals | Rafael Nadal | Joao Sousa
63 | 2014 | 2014.03.19 | 61 60 | ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Miami | Round of 32 | Rafael Nadal | Denis Istomin
64 | 2014 | 2014.05.04 | 61 60 | ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Madrid | Round of 32 | Rafael Nadal | Juan Monaco
65 | 2014 | 2014.05.26 | 46 64 60 61 | Roland Garros | Quarter-Finals | Rafael Nadal | David Ferrer
66 | 2014 | 2014.05.26 | 60 63 60 | Roland Garros | Round of 128 | Rafael Nadal | Robby Ginepri
67 | 2014 | 2014.09.29 | 64 60 | Beijing | Round of 32 | Rafael Nadal | Richard Gasquet
68 | 2015 | 2015.01.19 | 61 60 75 | Australian Open | Round of 32 | Rafael Nadal | Dudi Sela
69 | 2015 | 2015.02.16 | 46 75 60 | Rio de Janeiro | Quarter-Finals | Rafael Nadal | Pablo Cuevas
70 | 2015 | 2015.02.23 | 64 60 | Buenos Aires | Round of 16 | Rafael Nadal | Facundo Arguello
71 | 2015 | 2015.05.10 | 62 60 | ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Rome | Round of 32 | Rafael Nadal | Marsel Ilhan
72 | 2016 | 2016.03.10 | 67(8) 60 75 | ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Indian Wells | Round of 16 | Rafael Nadal | Alexander Zverev
73 | 2016 | 2016.03.10 | 60 76(9) | ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Indian Wells | Round of 32 | Rafael Nadal | Fernando Verdasco
74 | 2016 | 2016.04.10 | 75 57 60 | ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Monte Carlo | Finals | Rafael Nadal | Gael Monfils
75 | 2016 | 2016.05.01 | 60 46 63 | ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Madrid | Quarter-Finals | Rafael Nadal | Joao Sousa
76 | 2016 | 2016.05.22 | 63 60 63 | Roland Garros | Round of 64 | Rafael Nadal | Facundo Bagnis
77 | 2016 | 2016.08.29 | 60 75 61 | US Open | Round of 64 | Rafael Nadal | Andreas Seppi
78 | 2017 | 2017.04.16 | 60 57 63 | Monte-Carlo Rolex Masters | Round of 32 | Rafael Nadal | Kyle Edmund
79 | 2017 | 2017.05.28 | 63 64 60 | Roland Garros | Semi-Finals | Rafael Nadal | Dominic Thiem
80 | 2017 | 2017.05.28 | 60 61 60 | Roland Garros | Round of 32 | Rafael Nadal | Nikoloz Basilashvili
81 | 2017 | 2017.08.28 | 46 60 63 62 | US Open | Semi-Finals | Rafael Nadal | Juan Martin del Potro

Matches where Nadal won and dished at least 2 bagels: 3
1 | 2012 | 2012.05.27 | 62 60 60 | Roland Garros | Round of 16 | Rafael Nadal | Juan Monaco
2 | 2014 | 2014.05.26 | 60 63 60 | Roland Garros | Round of 128 | Rafael Nadal | Robby Ginepri
3 | 2017 | 2017.05.28 | 60 61 60 | Roland Garros | Round of 32 | Rafael Nadal | Nikoloz Basilashvili

Matches where Nadal lost and dished at least 1 bagel: 3
1 | 2005 | 2005.02.07 | 06 60 61 | Buenos Aires | Quarter-Finals | Gaston Gaudio | Rafael Nadal
2 | 2010 | 2010.01.04 | 06 76(8) 64 | Doha | Finals | Nikolay Davydenko | Rafael Nadal
3 | 2015 | 2015.10.11 | 64 06 75 | ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Shanghai | Semi-Finals | Jo-Wilfried Tsonga | Rafael Nadal

So total bagel sets that Nadal dished = 81 + 3 + 3 = 87

Let me know what I am missing?

I'm guessing Davis Cup matches. I don't see any on your list, but, as one example, Nadal beat Seppi. 6-0, 6-4, 6-3 in Davis Cup in 2006.

 

[money_ball]

I'm guessing Davis Cup matches. I don't see any on your list, but, as one example, Nadal beat Seppi. 6-0, 6-4, 6-3 in Davis Cup in 2006.

@buscemi Yup you're right. My ATP data is scraped from pages like this:

• http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/scores/results-archive?year=2006

As you can see, there are no Davis Cup events listed on those pages. However, checking Nadal's player activity for 2006, his Davis Cup matches are indeed listed:

• http://www.atpworldtour.com/players/rafael-nadal/n409/player-activity?year=2006

Looks like my ATP database is incomplete because I'm missing all the Davis Cup match results.

The damn ATP website is a complete mess.

 

[money_ball]

Bagel-related thoughts subthread:
It seems easier to dish bagels in clay courts.
I would not think it would be usual to break serve on fast courts, like Wimbledon, the necessary three times in a set to dish a bagel.
What about servebots being dished bagels? It seems almost impossible, as it is so hard to break their service games.
Would be interesting to see how many bagels Isner or Karlovic have been dished in their careers. Should be very few, if any.

@Sudacafan Your intuition on clay courts is correct, as the following are the numbers for all matches since 1968 (Open-Era). (Note these matches do not include Davis Cup matches.)

Surface | Total matches | Matches w/ bagels | %
Clay | 59908 | 6524 | 10.89%
Hard | 73523 | 5650 | 7.68%
Carpet | 17640 | 1204 | 6.83%
Grass | 21081 | 1265 | 6.00%

I am working on pulling the numbers for bagels eaten, and will create a separate thread. In the meantime:

Here are the top 15 players by career total aces from matches since 1991 (not including Davis Cup):
Note: Bagels dished in green, bagels eaten in red
Player | Total aces | Total matches | Aces/match | Bagels dished | Bagels eaten
Roger Federer | 10177 | 1308 | 7.78 | 86 | 4
Ivo Karlovic | 12730 | 657 | 19.38 | 2 | 3
Andy Roddick | 8953 | 762 | 11.75 | 18 | 5
Pete Sampras | 8178 | 732 | 11.17 | 35 | 9
Goran Ivanisevic | 9760 | 703 | 13.88 | 25 | 29
John Isner | 9753 | 555 | 17.57 | 4 | 2
Richard Krajicek | 7495 | 593 | 12.64 | 16 | 3
Feliciano Lopez | 8747 | 844 | 10.36 | 7 | 18
Ivan Ljubicic | 8161 | 679 | 12.02 | 16 | 11
Tomas Berdych | 6737 | 866 | 7.78 | 46 | 21
Greg Rusedski | 7534 | 670 | 11.24 | 12 | 8
Milos Raonic | 6183 | 422 | 14.65 | 9 | 5
Mark Philippoussis | 6558 | 469 | 13.98 | 11 | 10
Andy Murray | 5473 | 806 | 6.79 | 63 | 13
Jo-Wilfried Tsonga | 5835 | 594 | 9.82 | 15 | 6

Here are the top 15 players by bagels eaten:
Player | Bagels eaten
Fabrice Santoro | 49
Harold Solomon | 45
Guillermo Vilas | 42
Phil Dent | 39
Raymond Moore | 39
John Lloyd | 39
Corrado Barazzutti | 38
Raul Ramirez | 37
Diego Perez | 36
Jose Higueras | 35
Gaston Gaudio | 35
Vijay Amritraj | 35
Jan Kodes | 34
Tomas Smid | 34
Christophe Rochus | 34
Fabio Fognini | 34

One commentary I have is that Goran Ivanisevic serves a ton of aces, but he gets bageled a lot. So perhaps that may have something to do with his second serve being quite weak?

 

[Sudacafan]

@Sudacafan Your intuition on clay courts is correct, as the following are the numbers for all matches since 1968 (Open-Era). (Note these matches do not include Davis Cup matches.)

Surface | Total matches | Matches w/ bagels | %
Clay | 59908 | 6524 | 10.89%
Hard | 73523 | 5650 | 7.68%
Carpet | 17640 | 1204 | 6.83%
Grass | 21081 | 1265 | 6.00%

I am working on pulling the numbers for bagels eaten, and will create a separate thread. In the meantime:

Here are the top 15 players by career total aces from matches since 1991 (not including Davis Cup):
Note: Bagels dished in green, bagels eaten in red
Player | Total aces | Total matches | Aces/match | Bagels dished | Bagels eaten
Roger Federer | 10177 | 1308 | 7.78 | 86 | 4
Ivo Karlovic | 12730 | 657 | 19.38 | 2 | 3
Andy Roddick | 8953 | 762 | 11.75 | 18 | 5
Pete Sampras | 8178 | 732 | 11.17 | 35 | 9
Goran Ivanisevic | 9760 | 703 | 13.88 | 25 | 29
John Isner | 9753 | 555 | 17.57 | 4 | 2
Richard Krajicek | 7495 | 593 | 12.64 | 16 | 3
Feliciano Lopez | 8747 | 844 | 10.36 | 7 | 18
Ivan Ljubicic | 8161 | 679 | 12.02 | 16 | 11
Tomas Berdych | 6737 | 866 | 7.78 | 46 | 21
Greg Rusedski | 7534 | 670 | 11.24 | 12 | 8
Milos Raonic | 6183 | 422 | 14.65 | 9 | 5
Mark Philippoussis | 6558 | 469 | 13.98 | 11 | 10
Andy Murray | 5473 | 806 | 6.79 | 63 | 13
Jo-Wilfried Tsonga | 5835 | 594 | 9.82 | 15 | 6

Here are the top 15 players by bagels eaten:
Player | Bagels eaten
Fabrice Santoro | 49
Harold Solomon | 45
Guillermo Vilas | 42
Phil Dent | 39
Raymond Moore | 39
John Lloyd | 39
Corrado Barazzutti | 38
Raul Ramirez | 37
Diego Perez | 36
Jose Higueras | 35
Gaston Gaudio | 35
Vijay Amritraj | 35
Jan Kodes | 34
Tomas Smid | 34
Christophe Rochus | 34
Fabio Fognini | 34

One commentary I have is that Goran Ivanisevic serves a ton of aces, but he gets bageled a lot. So perhaps that may have something to do with his second serve being quite weak?

Seems that my intuition was also right in the case of servebots performances.
Look at Isner and Karlovic, who heavily base their success in serve, and who have little to offer besides that weapon.
It’s really amazing the low numbers of bagels eaten in their whole careers, and also bagels dished (the fewest in the list). This is because they are poor returners as well.
On another note, I see a player as Vilas who has dished, but also eaten bagels a lot, as you show now. Just the opposite of servebots.
And the trend I see in bagel eaters, is that they are mostly baseliners.

 

[metsman]

Like I said, I don't believe that was the case from '76 on. I don't see his career filled with any more joke events than Borg or Mac, so I find it strange that you keep singling him out. he played so far beyond his prime, the fact that his win % remains so high is pretty impressive imo.

As many have stated, no one cared about the ranking system back then. It wasn't even published weekly. It was only for seeding and draw purposes, it wasn't meant to mean anymore than that. The idea that Connors was chasing ranking points like Thomas Muster is beyond comical. I can't believe there was one tennis fan, player or journalist that thought that in the 70s.
I'm sure he gave 2 ****s about the weeks and years he spent at #1. Fine, it bothers you that his name comes up in all these 'modern' ranking records the ATP, but I find it odd to use something he has nothing to do with to put him down.

So what % of his career is attributed to joke fields? He won 109 titles, do you want to subtract 10? 20? Even 89 legit titles sounds pretty good to me. Or 79. He won 1200 career matches, how many should we subtract? 200? 1000
Wins still sounds pretty good to me. And still gives him a pretty high %. How many bagels should we subtract? 50? That leaves him with 150. Not too shabby. I bet he has a pretty high % of bagels in his later career, say from 1982 on. Is that still Mickey Mouse era?

The historical revisionism that goes on here by people that didn't even follow the era they are discussing is very strange to me. I see you try to remedy that with all the posters who don't know much about tennis pre 2010, so
you can see where I'm coming from.

I'm not saying that Connors was doing this all on purpose to inflate his statistics, that's just how the tour was at the time, you had to play a lot of smaller events to make a good paycheck and Connors did it with more gusto than a guy like Borg I felt. I didn't follow the 70's but I feel I know enough about the era to say that. Just that when people bring up his 109 titles or 268 weeks at #1 you have to remember that those numbers are inflated, by how much I have no idea. But I am not going to put him above Agassi or Mac because of those numbers, that's my point. Of course it's not nearly as bad as when people claim Muster is a clay court great because he vultured 25 tournaments a month in 95 and 96.

Of course Connors' longevity was a big part for those marks, and it's reasonable for an ATG who played forever and in his share of smaller tournaments to get a lot of bagels. My comment was directed more towards Vilas/Orantes being so high up anyways.

 

[NoleFam]

OP, your chart is outdated for the current players. It should be:

Nadal -- 96
Federer -- 90
Djokovic -- 88
Ferrer -- 76
Murray -- 70

I didn't check the other active players.

 

[money_ball]

OP, your chart is outdated for the current players. It should be:

Nadal -- 96
Federer -- 90
Djokovic -- 88
Ferrer -- 76
Murray -- 70

I didn't check the other active players.

@NoleFam The ATP website where I scraped my data from has problems, thus I am missing all the Davis Cup matches. See more details here:

• https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/ind...ished-of-all-time.604578/page-2#post-11808947

 

[BGod]

As has been said of Sampras & Fed, their service game was great enough they only exerted themselves to gain a single break a set. You can easily tell with Federer for example how little he cares about breaking serve more than he needs to unless he's being pushed on his service.

To get a bagel one needs 3 breaks and frankly barring terrible service games a winning player isn't going to work much at 5-0. Dimitrov for example against Goffin got 6-0 because of double faults and weak 2nd serves.

I mean sure, if a server double faults and gives buttercup serves then sure a returner will go for it but that's not going to happen too often.

I'm sure Fed has more 6-1 or 6-2 sets than anyone in history.

 

[Federer and Del Potro]

How does Tommy Robredo have 40 bagels

 

[NoleFam]

As has been said of Sampras & Fed, their service game was great enough they only exerted themselves to gain a single break a set. You can easily tell with Federer for example how little he cares about breaking serve more than he needs to unless he's being pushed on his service.

To get a bagel one needs 3 breaks and frankly barring terrible service games a winning player isn't going to work much at 5-0. Dimitrov for example against Goffin got 6-0 because of double faults and weak 2nd serves.

I mean sure, if a server double faults and gives buttercup serves then sure a returner will go for it but that's not going to happen too often.

I'm sure Fed has more 6-1 or 6-2 sets than anyone in history.

*ATG breadstick list:

Connors -- 400+
Lendl -- 350+
McEnroe -- 300+
Federer -- 296
Nadal -- 283
Agassi -- 275
Djokovic -- 267
Borg -- 241
Edberg -- 222
Wilander -- 192
Becker -- 174
Sampras -- 167

*A couple of them may be off by 1 or 2, give or take.

 

[Deleted member 307496]

I believe that there’s less bagels today because the ATP tour is more competitive than in the past.

Hahaha.

"More competitive" with No. 1 at 10K points, No. 2 at 9K and No. 3 and below at 5-3K. Lmao...

 

[Sudacafan]

Hahaha.

"More competitive" with No. 1 at 10K points, No. 2 at 9K and No. 3 and below at 5-3K. Lmao...

Let me try to recreate the way your reasoning process works:

- Day 1: it rained in this town
- Day 2: it rained in this town
- Day 3: it rained in this town
- Conclusion: It rains every day of the year in this town.

Or this way,
- Native Americans are disappearing
- That man is a Native American
- Conclusion: That man is disappearing

 

[sarmpas]

A breakdown by surface and also slams against matches played on surface will encourage passionate debate.

 

[marc45]

No Sampras?

first thing I thought too, but that conforms to every description of Sampras as a guy who just took holding his serve as a given and was just looking to break serve once as a set went on...and win it in a tiebreak if had to

 

[KG1965]

Could you give an example of that? Indian Wells didn't even exist throughout the majority of Connors' career. I don't think Connors played more than 20 events per year through the majority of his career.
It's beyond strange to hear Connors spoken of like Vilas, who often played 35 events a year.

I agree with your posts here.
Just one thing: Indian Wells is the successor to tournaments playing to
- Palm Springs (1976-1978),
- Rancho Mirage (1979-80)
- La Quinta (1981 -1986).

 

[spirit95]

Illustrative of the level of competition back in the day of borg and connors

 

[Deleted member 307496]

Let me try to recreate the way your reasoning process works:

- Day 1: it rained in this town
- Day 2: it rained in this town
- Day 3: it rained in this town
- Conclusion: It rains every day of the year in this town.

Or this way,
- Native Americans are disappearing
- That man is a Native American
- Conclusion: That man is disappearing

That has to be the worst analogy I've ever seen on this forum.

Can't backpedal either. You said a field devoid of anybody with the ability to rack up 5-6K points besides 2 players years past their best is "competitive".

To make things easier since 99% of people on this forum aren't aware the points system has changed 2-3 times the last 20 years - 5K points in today's system would net you around 2-2.5K points in the system from 2000-2009. That means a guy like Tommy Haas from '06 would be ranked 5 or 6 in today's system when he ended '06 at a distant 11th. And 2006 is considered an uncompetitive year.

 

[Deleted member 307496]

There's also "less bagels" today because the lower-tiered competition is much closer in level with the top players (minus Fedal) than it has been in years.

In the 80s you had more variety in terms of style, level and competition. I'd argue that time period was stronger than today by quite a large margin.

 

[Deleted member 3771]

I scoured all the match scores from the ATP data, and tabulated the players who dished the most bagels of all time. I'm only listing player who have dished at least 40 or more bagels in his career, as from 1877-2017 there have been 2,865 players who have dished out at least one bagel.

Players still active are denoted by (*).

Player                  Bagels
------                  ------
Jimmy Connors           195
Guillermo Vilas         146
Ivan Lendl              146
Manuel Orantes          115
Andre Agassi            113
Bjorn Borg              109
Ilie Nastase            99
John McEnroe            98
Ken Rosewall            91
Eddie Dibbs             91
Harold Solomon          90
Rafael Nadal (*)        87
Roger Federer (*)       86
Novak Djokovic (*)      85
Rod Laver               81
David Ferrer (*)        74
Stefan Edberg           72
Michael Chang           71
Jose Higueras           70
Raul Ramirez            66
Thomas Muster           66
Mats Wilander           65
Tomas Smid              65
Roy Emerson             64
Brian Gottfried         64
Jan Kodes               63
Andy Murray (*)         63
Eliot Teltscher         62
Tom Okker               60
Corrado Barazzutti      59
Anders Jarryd           59
Cliff Richey            57
Arthur Ashe             57
Stan Smith              57
Sergi Bruguera          56
Vitas Gerulaitis        56
Balazs Taroczy          54
Aaron Krickstein        54
Wojtek Fibak            54
Joakim Nystrom          52
Marty Riessen           50
Nikolay Davydenko       50
Bob Hewitt              49
Francisco Clavet        49
Lleyton Hewitt          49
Gene Mayer              47
Jim Courier             47
John Alexander          46
Tomas Berdych (*)       46
Boris Becker            46
Zeljko Franulovic       44
Johan Kriek             44
Javier Sanchez          44
Brad Gilbert            44
Roscoe Tanner           44
Mikhail Youzhny (*)     44
Jose-Luis Clerc         42
Victor Pecci Sr.        42
John Newcombe           42
John Bromwich           41
Yannick Noah            41
Andres Gomez            41
Jonas Bjorkman          41
Guillermo Perez-Roldan  40
Tony Roche              40
David Nalbandian        40
Fernando Verdasco (*)   40
Tommy Robredo (*)       40

It would be interesting to see the total "bagels and bread-sticks combined" dished out. Rafa has been good at dishing out bagels and bread-ticks to almost everyone at the FO.

 

[aman92]

You must be kidding. Please educate yourself about the 1980-1997 era before expressing such an opinion. The 2017 field was ridiculously weak compared to every year I referenced above.

He is talking about the field overall in general and not just the top players.

 

[Zeref]

There is one new thread about Bagel GOAT Nadal...so Bump Bagels and Breadsticks.

 

[mellowyellow]

True, and Federer has played the most matches of the 3 by far.

However, what's a little surprising (and a testament to Fed's greatesness, I might add) is how many of those bagels are against elite opposition. Take a look at the standings if we're tracking bagels dished out to members of the top 10:

Federer: 26
Connors: 19
Borg: 17
Lendl: 16
Djokovic: 15
Nadal: 9
McEnroe: 8
Dibbs: 7
Becker: 6
Agassi: 6
Vilas: 6
Edberg: 5
Murray: 5
Wilander: 4
Nalbandian: 4
Courier: 4
Davydenko: 4
Sampras: 3
Solomon: 3
Bruguera: 3
Muster: 3
Ramirez: 2
Ferrer: 1
Kuerten: 1
Berdych: 1

And against the top 5

Lendl: 11
Connors: 11
Federer: 9
Borg: 7
Djokovic: 7
Becker: 5
Edberg: 4
Wilander: 4
Nadal: 4
McEnroe: 4
Murray: 3
Dibbs: 3
Ramirez: 2
Vilas: 2
Courier: 2
Agassi: 1
Bruguera: 1
Sampras: 1
Muster: 1
Davydenko: 1
Nalbandian: 1
Ferrer: 1
Kuerten: 1
Berdych: 1

(the list is incomplete due to my laziness + the computer rankings only going back about 43 years...old-timers are getting short-changed here).

That can't be right, when did Nadal play 9 top 10 guys?

 

[Rogerjohnson81]

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[titoelcolombiano]

How strange it is that Djoker, Fed & Rafa are so close on this list.

 

[Vincent-C]

So the list above only has players with 40 or more career bagels dished. Here is the list of players with 30-39 bagels dished.
(*) Denotes Sampras. (His return game is the weakest part of his game.)

Player              Bagels
------              ------
Thierry Tulasne     39
Robert Lutz         39
Juan Ignacio Chela  39
Dominik Hrbaty      39
Buster C. Mottram   38
Yevgeny Kafelnikov  38
Radek Stepanek      38
Filippo Volandri    38
Jiri Novak          38
Guillermo Coria     38
Bill Tilden         37
Jarkko Nieminen     37
Magnus Gustafsson   37
Jaime Fillol Sr.    37
Thomas Enqvist      36
Richard Gasquet     36
Fabrice Santoro     36
Brian Fairlie       36
Juan Carlos Ferrero 35
Pete Sampras (*)    35
Alex Corretja       35
Ramesh Krishnan     34
E. Victor Seixas    34
Emilio Sanchez      34
Andrew Pattison     34
Jonas Svensson      34
Fernando Luna       34
Rene Lacoste        33
Cliff Drysdale      33
Frank Parker        33
Kent Carlsson       32
Felix Mantilla      32
Juan Monaco         32
Sandy Mayer         31
Andrei Chesnokov    31
Nicolas Lapentti    31
Dick Stockton       31
Neale Fraser        31
Arnaud Clement      31
Mel Purcell         31
Sebastien Grosjean  31
Miloslav Mecir Sr.  30
Tommy Haas          30
Andres Gimeno       30
Lew Hoad            30
Peter McNamara      30
Richey Reneberg     30
Robin Soderling     30
Guillermo Canas     30
Mark Cox            30
Geoff Masters       30

Ramesh Krishnan served 35 bagels? Nice job- and all while he seemed to be asleep! Good player.