Most consistent player of all times

[Lew II]

I think the race is between Djokovic and Federer only.

Win rate: Djokovic 83.04%, Federer 82.02%
Big tournaments: Djokovic 83.07%, Federer 81.18%
Grand Slam: Djokovic 86.97%, Federer 85.99%
Australian Open Djokovic 90.36%, Federer 87.18%
Roland Garros: Djokovic 82.93%, Federer 80.46%
Wimbledon: Federer 88.60%, Djokovic 87.80%
US Open: Djokovic 86.75%, Federer 86.41%

Matches won: Federer 1236, Djokovic 911
Big tournaments: Federer 815, Djokovic 687
Grand Slam: Federer 362, Djokovic 287
Australian Open: Federer 102, Djokovic 75
Roland Garros: Federer 70, Djokovic 68
Wimbledon: Federer 101, Djokovic 72
US Open: Federer 89, Djokovic 72

Djokovic leads in the win percentages, Federer leads in the number of wins. I think it's a tie.

 

[Standaa]

Djokovic leads in the win percentages, Federer leads in the number of wins. I think it's a tie.

Federer is 5 years older, the winning percentage gets worse with age.

 

[Lew II]

Federer is 5 years older, the winning percentage gets worse with age.

But you also get more wins, that's why I showed both win percentage and number of wins.

Federer improved his win percentage since he was Djokovic's age, by the way (except for Slams):

Until 2013 --> 81.09%
Since 2014 --> 84.93%

In Slams until 2013 --> 86.38%
In Slams since 2014 --> 85.00%

In Big touraments until 2013 --> 80.97%
In Big tournaments since 2013 --> 81.75%

 

[Fedr and three others]

18/19 will always be the winner for most consistent

 

[Deleted member 758560]

Federer is 5 years older, the winning percentage gets worse with age.

almost 6, 5 years is the difference with nadal

 

[TripleATeam]

We won't know until we see how Djokovic ages into his late 30s. As it stands, Federer has a penchant for making it far in tournaments even when not playing extremely well. I think Djokovic is more consistent between surfaces in terms of how good his level of play is, but Federer is more consistent results-wise, as long as you throw out the first few years.

No qualifiers, they remain tied until we define consistency by a certain metric and see how Djokovic's late career pans out.

 

[ForehandRF]

Fed's unbelivable run from 2004 AO till 2010 RG will not be matched soon in terms of consistency.Those consecutive slam finals, semifinals and quarter finals will stand alone for years to come.

 

[Lew II]

Fed's unbelivable run from 2004 AO till 2010 RG will not be matched soon in terms of consistency.Those consecutive slam finals, semifinals and quarter finals will stand alone for years to come.

Djokovic has some great consistency numbers too.

For example since his first main draw he never skipped a Slam, a YEC or an Olympic tournament: he played 80 out of 81.

He reached 4 consecutive Slam semifinals different times in a 12 years timespan (first 2007RG-2008AO, last 2018UO-2019WI).

He won 4 consecutive Slams from 2015 WI to 2016 RG.

He either won the title or lost to the eventual winner in 21 slams out of 23 from 2010 UO to 2016 RG.

He won 4+ masters/yec in 6 consecutive seasons from 2011 to 2016.

He gained over 11,000 ATP points in 6 consecutive seasons from 2011 to 2016.

 

[Lew II]

Some of their great streaks:

Longest winning streak

Djokovic 43 (Davis 2010 - RG 2011)
Federer 41 (UO 2006 - Dubai 2007)
Federer 35 (Halle 2005 - YEC 2005)

Big Tournaments

Djokovic 43 (Paris 2014 - RG 2015)
Djokovic 33 (AO 2011 - RG 2011)

Grand Slam

Djokovic 30 (WI 2015 - WI 2016)
Federer 27 (WI 2005 - RG 2006)
Federer 27 (WI 2006 - RG 2007)
Djokovic 27 (WI 2011 - RG 2012)
Djokovic 26 (WI 2018 - RG 2019)

Against top-10

Federer 24 (YEC 2003 - AO 2005)
Federer 17 (WI 2006 - Dubai 2007)
Djokovic 17 (YEC 2015 - Rome 2016)

Titles won

Federer 7 (UO 2006 - Dubai 2007)
Djokovic 7 (AO 2011 - Rome 2011)
Djokovic 7 (UO 2015 - AO 2016)

GS Titles

Djokovic 4 (WI 2015 - RG 2016)

Big Titles

Djokovic 7 (Paris 2014 - Rome 2015)
Djokovic 7 (UO 2015 - Miami 2016)

Finals reached

Federer 17 (2005 Halle - 2006 Canada)
Djokovic 17 (2015 AO - 2016 AO)

Slam finals

Federer 10 (2005 WI - 2007 UO)
Federer 8 (2008 RG - 2010 AO)
Djokovic 6 (2015 AO - 2016 RG)

Big finals

Djokovic 18 (Paris 2014 - Miami 2016)
Federer 12 (WI 2005 - Canada 2006)

Slam semifinals

Federer 23 (Wimbledon 2004 - Australian Open 2010)
Djokovic 14 (Wimbledon 2010 - US Open 2013)
Djokovic 9 (RG 2014 - RG 2016)

Slam quarterfinals

Federer 36 (Wimbledon 2004 - RG 2013)
Djokovic 28 (Wimbledon 2009 - RG 2016)

 

[ChrisRF]

18/19 will always be the winner for most consistent

One feature is even better in my opinion:

Between the 2004 RG loss against Kuerten (4-6, 4-6, 4-6) and the 2006 Cincinnati loss against Murray (5-7, 4-6) Federer won at least one set in EVERY match he played. It was 27 months and 194 matches (most of them Best of 3 even back then) until he got straight-setted again.

 

[tennis_pro]

Yeah well good luck maintaining those stats at 33-38. I remember Nadal was there at no 1 for a long time, what happened

 

[ibbi]

But you also get more wins, that's why I showed both win percentage and number of wins.

Federer improved his win percentage since he was Djokovic's age, by the way (except for Slams):

Until 2013 --> 81.09%
Since 2014 --> 84.93%

In Slams until 2013 --> 86.38%
In Slams since 2014 --> 85.00%

In Big touraments until 2013 --> 80.97%
In Big tournaments since 2013 --> 81.75%

Largely because he has become more selective in when and where he plays, which flies in the face of the idea of consistency. Terrible way to determine it. Wins is better. Maybe... I don't know, average number of wins from year to year, titles won or finals reached per year, that sort of thing. Probably have to divide up the surfaces also or else someone who is just good on one surface can pile up wins, titles, finals and do minimal everywhere else, and that isn't particularly consistent either.

 

[Lew II]

Yeah well good luck maintaining those stats at 33-38. I remember Nadal was there at no 1 for a long time, what happened

Nadal still has the highest win percentage. In the last two years he had some of the highest win percentage in his career with 89.5% of wins.

I didn't consider him because he's not at the top of consistency in most of the tournaments (AO, WI, UO, etc.)

 

[Hitman]

Question -

What are the chances that Federer gets at least 100 wins at USO, so he has three slams where he has won 100 or more matches in his career?

 

[Lew II]

Largely because he has become more selective in when and where he plays, which flies in the face of the idea of consistency. Terrible way to determine it. Wins is better. Maybe... I don't know, average number of wins from year to year, titles won or finals reached per year, that sort of thing. Probably have to divide up the surfaces also or else someone who is just good on one surface can pile up wins, titles, finals and do minimal everywhere else, and that isn't particularly consistent either.

So Ferrer is more consistent than Borg? Slam matches won: Ferrer 145, Borg 141

The number of wins has to be combined with the winning percentage.

 

[tennis_pro]

Nadal still has the highest win percentage. In the last two years he had some of the highest win percentage in his career with 89.5% of wins.

can't lose when you don't play and can't lose when you play berrettini

I didn't consider him because he's not at the top of consistency in most of the tournaments (AO, WI, UO, etc.)

I didn't consider him because he's like 0-293 against Federer and Djokovic outside of clay since January 2014

 

[Lew II]

Question -

What are the chances that Federer gets at least 100 wins at USO, so he has three slams where he has won 100 or more matches in his career?

Not many if this year's edition gets cancelled.

 

[Deleted member 758560]

Question -

What are the chances that Federer gets at least 100 wins at USO, so he has three slams where he has won 100 or more matches in his career?

somewhere about 20%

 

[Druss]

I think Djoko's consistency is quite close to Fed's, IMO second best in OE. It's one of the reasons I would rate Djokovic above Nadal if they finished on the same number of slams....heck, even if he's one below.

 

[KINGROGER]

Quite close. Djokovic day in day out did it for longer. 2011-2016RG compared to just about 2004-2007 for Federer. I rate Fed’s high for his slam consistency.

 

[OldschoolKIaus]

Another Lew thread. Awesome!

 

[dr325i]

Question -

What are the chances that Federer gets at least 100 wins at USO, so he has three slams where he has won 100 or more matches in his career?

2022

 

[MeatTornado]

Fed in slams for sure. But Novak brought the game to a new level with his consistent Masters success year in and year out.

 

[ForehandRF]

Fed in slams for sure. But Novak brought the game to a new level with his consistent Masters success year in and year out.

True, but that in the context of masters becoming mandatory since 2009.Novak was the one who took masters seriously, unlike Fed back in 2004-2006.

 

[ibbi]

So Ferrer is more consistent than Borg? Slam matches won: Ferrer 145, Borg 141

The number of wins has to be combined with the winning percentage.

I didn't say wins was best, I said it was better. Still, I think if you're talking about consistency then longevity has to figure into it, and Ferrer surely has that, yes. I'd say wins per year is maybe the best way. Has to be a number high enough that it can't be entirely defined by one surface, 40, 50, 60, something like that.

 

[Deleted member 22147]

It has to be Federer. Djokovic's percentages will come down as he ages.

 

[JoshuaPim]

Djokovic's stats are very impressive also but I do believe we have to consider the desert of talent from the 90s Gen. Fed started losing because 25 year old Nadal and Djokovic were too good. So where are the 25 year olds taking Slams off Nad and Djoker? They don't exist. People will say Fed got some easy Slams from 03-07 but I don't believe it was as stark as the present situation, with a 33 yo No 1 and his biggest rivals 34 and 38. So any stats evaluation has to take into account that not all eras have exactly equal competition.

 

[Phoenix1983]

Kenneth Robert Rosewall.

 

[ibbi]

[oops]

 

[ibbi]

Open era:
Consecutive 40 win seasons: 17 Connors, 15 Federer
Consecutive 50 win seasons: 13 Connors, 11 Federer
Consecutive 60 win seasons: 11 Connors, 10 Djokovic/Federer
Consecutive 70 win seasons: 5 McEnroe, 4 Lendl/Connors/Federer
Consecutive 80 win seasons: 4 Connors, 3 Lendl
Consecutive 90 win seasons: 3 Lendl

I only went through the big 3, Connors, Mac, Lendl, Sampras and Agassi, so there may be others to add to this list.

 

[JaoSousa]

He won 4+ masters/yec in 6 consecutive seasons from 2011 to 2016.

So not even counting slams he won 5 big titles every year! Incredible.

 

[JaoSousa]

Another Lew thread. Awesome!

He looks so happy because he won a point. Didn't even aim that shot, really. Just slapped at it.

 

[RelentlessAttack]

Hard to say. 18/19 slam finals at a stretch is kind of bonkers, so is making all 4 finals 3 times. Djokovic though has been very consistent for more years

 

[Lew II]

So not even counting slams he won 5 big titles every year! Incredible.

No, I meant 4 or more.

Counting slams he won 5 or more big titles in 6 consecutive years.

2011 - 8
2012 - 5
2013 - 5
2014 - 6
2015 - 10
2016 - 6

 

[JaoSousa]

No, I meant 4 or more.

Counting slams he won 5 or more big titles in 6 consecutive years.

2011 - 8
2012 - 5
2013 - 5
2014 - 6
2015 - 10
2016 - 6

Oh, ok. Still really impressive.

 

[metsman]

Another Lew thread. Awesome!

this is still one of the most ridiculous shots I've ever seen

 

[Nadalgaenger]

I think the race is between Djokovic and Federer only.

Win rate: Djokovic 83.04%, Federer 82.02%
Big tournaments: Djokovic 83.07%, Federer 81.18%
Grand Slam: Djokovic 86.97%, Federer 85.99%
Australian Open Djokovic 90.36%, Federer 87.18%
Roland Garros: Djokovic 82.93%, Federer 80.46%
Wimbledon: Federer 88.60%, Djokovic 87.80%
US Open: Djokovic 86.75%, Federer 86.41%

Matches won: Federer 1236, Djokovic 911
Big tournaments: Federer 815, Djokovic 687
Grand Slam: Federer 362, Djokovic 287
Australian Open: Federer 102, Djokovic 75
Roland Garros: Federer 70, Djokovic 68
Wimbledon: Federer 101, Djokovic 72
US Open: Federer 89, Djokovic 72

Djokovic leads in the win percentages, Federer leads in the number of wins. I think it's a tie.

What about Fed’s streak of GS finals, SF, and QF?

 

[Lew II]

What about Fed’s streak of GS finals, SF, and QF?

Check my post #9.

 

[daggerman]

Federer is 5 years older, the winning percentage gets worse with age.

Not true. It improves at an increasingly slower rate, sure, but it doesn't get worse. Fed in his mid-to-late 30s wins a far higher percentage of his matches than he did from the beginning of his career to 2002. It's really the early years that bring the career rate down.

The same has held -- and will continue to hold -- for Nadal and Djokovic (though Nadal was excellent from the very beginning of his career, really).

 

[Nadalgaenger]

Check my post #9.

Nice comparison. These two guys are in a class of their own clearly.

Cynics would cite surface homogenization. I’m not impressed by the argument. I think these guys have been too good.

 

[acintya]

Djokovic by far. How can you even compare him with Fed.

 

[daggerman]

Consistency at Cincinnati, Basel, and Halle: Federer
Overall consistency, ATP: Djokovic
Overall consistency, WTA + ATP: Chris Evert

 

[Phoenix1983]

Open era:
Consecutive 40 win seasons: 17 Connors, 15 Federer
Consecutive 50 win seasons: 13 Connors, 11 Federer
Consecutive 60 win seasons: 11 Connors, 10 Djokovic/Federer
Consecutive 70 win seasons: 5 McEnroe, 4 Lendl/Connors/Federer
Consecutive 80 win seasons: 4 Connors, 3 Lendl
Consecutive 90 win seasons: 3 Lendl

I only went through the big 3, Connors, Mac, Lendl, Sampras and Agassi, so there may be others to add to this list.

Interesting. I was going to mention Connors, but thought that Federer probably marginally outdid him for consistency. Seems like it's probably the other way around.

So Connors likely remains the most consistent Open Era player, with Rosewall holding the all-time crown.

Federer in the mix in the Open Era but not quite there, and Novak Djokovic not really in the discussion (yet, anyway).

 

[TripleATeam]

Quite close. Djokovic day in day out did it for longer. 2011-2016RG compared to just about 2004-2007 for Federer. I rate Fed’s high for his slam consistency.

But 2004-2007 was filled with multi-slam years from Fed. 2011-2016 had just two multi-slam years for Djokovic. I don't think you can rate those consistencies on the same scale. Federer was making at least 3 quarterfinals a year (and two semis) from 2004-2012. Djokovic did the same from 2007-2016. That's pretty similar, with Fed's results being just a bit better than Djokovic's.

 

[skaj]

Chris Evert?

 

[DSH]

Question -

What are the chances that Federer gets at least 100 wins at USO, so he has three slams where he has won 100 or more matches in his career?

0%!

 

[game..set..match]

if djokovic truly plans to play to 37, given his mindset and approach to the sport, he will retire the goat with at least 25 slams minimum.

 

[BeatlesFan]

True, but that in the context of masters becoming mandatory since 2009.Novak was the one who took masters seriously, unlike Fed back in 2004-2006.

Masters were BO5 finals in 2004-06 as well then, a significant reason why not only Fed but Pete and Lendl weren’t too fond of playing them.

 

[Lew II]

Masters were BO5 finals in 2004-06 as well then, a significant reason why not only Fed but Pete and Lendl weren’t too fond of playing them.

Everyone played with the same conditions. Federer's opponents had to play bo5 finals too.

If 19yo Nadal won 4 masters in one year I don't think it was too hard to dominate at masters level.

 

[King No1e]

Fedr as of now.