Most dominant tournaments by Big3

[Lew II]

1000 level or above most dominant tournaments won by Big3

Nadal 2010 MonteCarlo 63.70% points won
Djokovic 2014 World Tour Finals 63.20
Nadal 2017 Roland Garros 62.12
Nadal 2018 MonteCarlo 60.94
Nadal 2019 Rome 60.80
Nadal 2008 Roland Garros 60.72
Nadal 2014 Roland Garros 60.59
Nadal 2007 MonteCarlo 60.54
Djokovic 2015 Shanghai 60.18
Nadal 2012 MonteCarlo 59.31
Nadal 2012 Roland Garros 59.19
Nadal 2019 Roland Garros 59.12
Djokovic 2018 Shanghai 58.94
Djokovic 2007 Miami 58.88
Djokovic 2019 Australian Open 58.62
Nadal 2009 Rome 58.53
Federer 2006 Wimbledon 58.51
Djokovic 2011 Miami 58.50
Djokovic 2011 Indian Wells 58.38

Clay Nadal and Hardcourt Djokovic are all over the place.

The majority (13 out of 19) were since 2011.

 

[Tennis_Hands]

Lew keeps giving proof after proof about the disastrous competition since 2013.

Masochism at its finest.

 

[Lew II]

from the so called weak 2014-19 years:

Djokovic 2014 World Tour Finals 63.20
Nadal 2017 Roland Garros 62.12
Nadal 2018 MonteCarlo 60.94
Nadal 2019 Rome 60.80
Nadal 2014 Roland Garros 60.59
Djokovic 2015 Shanghai 60.18
Nadal 2019 Roland Garros 59.12
Djokovic 2018 Shanghai 58.94
Djokovic 2019 Australian Open 58.62

from 2003-06:

Federer 2006 Wimbledon 58.51

 

[Lew II]

Lew keeps giving proof after proof about the disastrous competition since 2013.

Masochism at its finest.

now we're going back to 2013?

next post will it be 2008?

 

[Tennis_Hands]

now we're going back to 2013?

next post will it be 2008?

Now?

 

[StrongRule]

RG 2014 was a dominant tournament from Nadal.

 

[TearTheRoofOff]

from the so called weak 2014-19 years:

Djokovic 2014 World Tour Finals 63.20
Nadal 2017 Roland Garros 62.12
Nadal 2018 MonteCarlo 60.94
Nadal 2019 Rome 60.80
Nadal 2014 Roland Garros 60.59
Djokovic 2015 Shanghai 60.18
Nadal 2019 Roland Garros 59.12
Djokovic 2018 Shanghai 58.94
Djokovic 2019 Australian Open 58.62

from 2003-06:

Federer 2006 Wimbledon 58.51

You do realize that this is exactly the sort of statistic that those who consider recent years to be weak would use, right? Djokodal destroying everyone harder in their 30s than in their 20s isn't the sort of thing I'd be touting as proof of concept here.

 

[Lew II]

You do realize that this is exactly the sort of statistic that those who consider recent years to be weak would use, right? Djokodal destroying everyone harder in their 30s than in their 20s isn't the sort of thing I'd be touting as proof of concept here.

I see it differently. I think it shows that Big3 are still very strong.

 

[Tennis_Hands]

You do realize that this is exactly the sort of statistic that those who consider recent years to be weak would use, right? Djokodal destroying everyone harder in their 30s than in their 20s isn't the sort of thing I'd be touting as proof of concept here.

I like it.

 

[Lew II]

Number of tournaments mentioned by year:

2003 -
2004 -
2005 -
2006 - 1
2007 - 2
2008 - 1
2009 - 1
2010 - 1
2011 - 2
2012 - 2
2013 -
2014 - 2
2015 - 1
2016 -
2017 - 1
2018 - 2
2019 - 3

 

[Tennis_Hands]

Number of tournaments mentioned by year:

2003 -
2004 -
2005 -
2006 - 1
2007 - 2
2008 - 1
2009 - 1
2010 - 1
2011 - 2
2012 - 2
2013 -
2014 - 2
2015 - 1
2016 -
2017 - 1
2018 - 2
2019 - 3

Thanks for confirming my objectivity.

 

[ForehandCross]

Fed fan logic:

Federer has dominant seasons : Not weak!!!!!

Djokodal have dominant tournaments: WEAK ERA !!?!?!!!

 

[blablavla]

Number of tournaments mentioned by year:

2003 -
2004 -
2005 -
2006 - 1
2007 - 2
2008 - 1
2009 - 1
2010 - 1
2011 - 2
2012 - 2
2013 -
2014 - 2
2015 - 1
2016 -
2017 - 1
2018 - 2
2019 - 3

so you just proved that weak era started in 2011.
congrats comrade.

 

[Lew II]

so you just proved that weak era started in 2011.
congrats comrade.

Thanks. Everyone knows that when GOATs dominate it's a terrible time for tennis and we all miss Thomas Johansson and Albert Costa.

 

[blablavla]

Thanks. Everyone knows that when GOATs dominate it's a terrible time for tennis and we all miss Thomas Johansson and Albert Costa.

or we all miss a stronger field that was able to win big tournaments and grab the #1 spot in ranking well before reaching their 30s.

 

[Fedr and three others]

On one end of the continuum you have players like Nadal who (sometimes perhaps recklessly) try and win every point. On the other end you have players like Pete who break once then coast on serve knowing he won't be broken.

Statistics certainly favour one side.

 

[Tennis_Hands]

Thanks. Everyone knows that when GOATs dominate it's a terrible time for tennis and we all miss Thomas Johansson and Albert Costa.

I bet that you haven't watched a single match of Johansson.

 

[Lew II]

or we all miss a stronger field that was able to win big tournaments and grab the #1 spot in ranking well before reaching their 30s.

Ok, ok... big3 should just retire so the era can be strong again, just look at the age of who's ranked behind them:

1) Thiem 26
2) Medvedev 24
3) Tsitsipas 21
4) Zverev 23
5) Berrettini 24

Tennis is better without Big3, right?

 

[Lew II]

I bet that you haven't watched a single match of Johansson.

Wouldn't matter as my eye test sucks.

 

[Tennis_Hands]

Wouldn't matter as my eye test sucks.

 

[RS]

Nadal with 11 in 30% of the season epic indeed.

 

[Lew II]

Crazy 2nd place for 2014 YEC although playing only top10s.

 

[RS]

Shows how small margins are in this sport are times. Even with the monster Nadal was in RG 08 his oppenent still nabbed nearly every 4 in 10 points against him.....

 

[Antonio Puente]

Nadal has 10 of the top 12.

Nadal only dominates on clay? There's nothing from Djoker on grass or clay, next-to-nothing from Fed at all. Only one tournament made it from the Djoker slam period when he was playing the highest level of tennis ever.

As far as slams go, 5 RGs made the list from Nadal, 1 AO from Djoker, 1 Wimbledon from Fed.

 

[Antonio Puente]

Crazy 2nd place for 2014 YEC although playing only top10s.

Cilic, Stan, Berdych and Nishikori... It's not that crazy.

 

[kevaninho]

Cilic, Stan, Berdych and Nishikori... It's not that crazy.

I seen on another thread, people making out that this was a murderers row Djokovic had to go through LOL

 

[TearTheRoofOff]

Fed fan logic:

Federer has dominant seasons : Not weak!!!!!

Djokodal have dominant tournaments: WEAK ERA !!?!?!!!

This is just a flipped version of what many others project, though. Swap the names and there you have the countered position. Which incarnation represents the original is almost chicken vs egg at this point, but I'd definitely wager the reverse.

 

[TearTheRoofOff]

Ok, ok... big3 should just retire so the era can be strong again, just look at the age of who's ranked behind them:

1) Thiem 26
2) Medvedev 24
3) Tsitsipas 21
4) Zverev 23
5) Berrettini 24

Tennis is better without Big3, right?

So we have five 21-26 year olds sitting behind three 33-38 year olds.

 

[PeoplesChamp]

Wouldn't games won % be a more accurate measurement? A player can push say 5 or 6 deuces and then lose that return game while coasting through their own service games.

 

[Lew II]

Cilic, Stan, Berdych and Nishikori... It's not that crazy.

Yeah 4 slams won and 9 slam finals reached...

Terrible players.

 

[PeoplesChamp]

Also 11/19 of them on clay where serve is diminished. Not surprising that more points were won on clay.

 

[vive le beau jeu !]

awww... it's our daily lewclid thread!!!

 

[ForehandCross]

Yeah 4 slams won and 9 slam finals reached...

Terrible players.

Safin ,Hewitt, Roddick

5 slams won, 12 slam finals.

Terrible players no?

 

[Lew II]

Safin ,Hewitt, Roddick

5 slams won, 12 slam finals.

Terrible players no?

As top10s no.

 

[blablavla]

Safin ,Hewitt, Roddick

5 slams won, 12 slam finals.

Terrible players no?

weak era mugs
(sarcasm)

 

[Sorry_to_tell_you_mate]

Also 11/19 of them on clay where serve is diminished. Not surprising that more points were won on clay.

Failed logic. Why didn't Nadal's opponents win more points on return then?

 

[gjm127]

Come to think of it, had Fed not choked in the 09 final, Rafa would not have the Career GS today, preventing the existential GOAT debates.

 

[NatF]

Failed logic. Why didn't Nadal's opponents win more points on return then?

Diminished importance of serve puts more onus on ground game, Nadal has arguably the best ground game of all time generally let alone on clay.

You tend to get the most lopsided scorelines on clay for this reason.

 

[buscemi]

It kind of invalidates the list when the tournament that most consider the most dominant Major title won off of clay -- Federer's 2007 Australian Open title won w/out dropping a set -- isn't even on the list.

Meanwhile, starting from the bottom of this list, Djokovic needed 3 setters in the SF & F to take Indian Wells 2011, and he needed a third set tiebreaker in the final to take Miami 2011.

These two Djokovic titles made the list b/c he crushed opponents in the early rounds while Federer had some closer straight set victories at AO 2007. But I don't think many would say that Djokovic's title runs were more dominant.

 

[NatF]

It kind of invalidates the list when the tournament that most consider the most dominant Major title won off of clay -- Federer's 2007 Australian Open title won w/out dropping a set -- isn't even on the list.

Meanwhile, starting from the bottom of this list, Djokovic needed 3 setters in the SF & F to take Indian Wells 2011, and he needed a third set tiebreaker in the final to take Miami 2011.

These two Djokovic titles made the list b/c he crushed opponents in the early rounds while Federer had some closer straight set victories at AO 2007. But I don't think many would say that Djokovic's title runs were more dominant.

Indeed. Not all rounds are equal, crushing mooks in the early round to pad your stats isn't so impressive. It's the Nadal AO 2019 syndrome.