Most GS wins by four players

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Lew said:
@True Fanerer

Wawrinka since 2013 beat 14 top-8 in Grand Slams (Roddick 1 in al his career until 2008) and 11 of them were not named Djokovic.
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Murray played a minor role at UO 2013.Other than that it's all Djokovic. Nadal had never lost to Wawrinka until Djokovic kryptonite had been born/created. Federer had lost once way back in 2009 on clay. I'm just saying. Those were like moral victories for Stan(5 setters). Djokovic did this.
 
itrium84 said:
@Lew you remind me of young Eminem beating rivals. He used his fantastic unbeliebable rhymes, you use phenomenal knowledge of facts and stats.
What I like most - whenever someone tries to push unbased opinion, you respond with hard cold facts destroying opponent's argument, making him move the goal posts further and further away.
I just like your style man. :)

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Lew obviously hasn’t heard of the phrase “lies, damned lies and statistics” - essentially you can use numbers to ‘prove’ whatever point you want to make. In his case, he’s of course aiming to prove that Novak Djokovic is GOAT and Federer a weak era beneficiary.
 
@True Fanerer

Players who have reached 12 slam/yec semifinals in 4 years:

Federer, Nadal, Djokovic, Sampras, Borg, Lendl, Connors, McEnroe, Becker, Edberg, Courier, Vilas, Murray, Wawrinka

(Agassi and Wilander didn't accomplish it)

The journeyman seems to be in good company ;)
 
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Lew said:
@True Fanerer

Players who have reached 12 slam/yec semifinals in 4 years:

Federer, Nadal, Djokovic, Sampras, Borg, Lendl, Connors, McEnroe, Becker, Edberg, Courier, Vilas, Murray, Wawrinka

The journeyman seems to be in good company ;)
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Just think. That could've been the boost that Federer pigeons from 04-07 needed. Federer just wasn't in a giving mood like Djokovic I suppose. :D Some of those names that you guys laugh at could be on this list if Federer had strung them along with belief.
 
True Fanerer said:
Just think. That could've been the boost that Federer pigeons from 04-07 needed. Federer just wasn't in a giving mood like Djokovic I suppose. :D Some of those names that you guys laugh at could be on this list if Federer had strung them along with belief.
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Wawrinka beat only 1 time Djokovic to reach those 12 semifinals.
 
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True Fanerer said:
Just think. That could've been the boost that Federer pigeons from 04-07 needed. Federer just wasn't in a giving mood like Djokovic I suppose. :D Some of those names that you guys laugh at could be on this list if Federer had strung them along with belief.
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Watch out anway, I didn't write that Roddick or Hewitt were journeymen.
 
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CYGS said:
At least he's backed his belief with stats and you guys just scream at people.
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The stats in Federer’s favour are numerous and encompass winning more of the biggest titles in the game, having more time at No 1, longer consecutive streaks than anyone else, and so on.

But these stats are so well known that they have passed into the game’s lore. Federer fans hardly have need to create thread after thread trotting them out.

Unlike your good friend Lew, who digs into every obscure stat he can find, in a futile attempt to contrive GOAThood for Novak Djokovic.
 
Phoenix1983 said:
The stats in Federer’s favour are numerous and encompass winning more of the biggest titles in the game, having more time at No 1, longer consecutive streaks than anyone else, and so on.

But these stats are so well known that they have passed into the game’s lore. Federer fans hardly have need to create thread after thread trotting them out.

Unlike your good friend Lew, who digs into every obscure stat he can find, in a futile attempt to contrive GOAThood for Novak Djokovic.
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Lew said:
Wawrinka beat 1 time Djokovic to reach those 12 semifinals.
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Ignoring the timeline. Irrelevant. But I will play. Usually it ended with a loss to Federer lol. Most of the time it was Murray or Cilic he beat. Nishikori and even Albert Ramos LMAO.
 
True Fanerer said:
Ignoring the timeline. Irrelevant. But I will play. Usually it ended with a loss to Federer lol. Most of the time it was Murray or Cilic he beat. Nishikori and even Albert Ramos LMAO.
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What is wrong about Murray, Cilic, Nishikori, Federer?
 
Lew said:
I don't see any objectivity. "can't make upsets" is your opinion (anyway 2015's no.5-9 Nadal, Berdych, Nishikori, Ferrer, Tsonga all have multiple wins in slams over big4, they can make upsets).

My stat about GS wins is objectivity. Top8 making the record of ATP points is objectivity.
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They could make upsets, In their earlier days. Nadal was just crap 2015.

The absense of a well-playing Nadal, Delpos injury, Cilic decline +The lost generation just made it extremely easy for the top4 players to roll over Bendych, Nishi, Ferrer etc and the rest of the field.

After a promising 2014, 2015 was the year were the missing 89+ generation really started the career inflation era.
 
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Lew said:
What is wrong about Murray, Cilic, Nishikori, Federer?
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It's one big 3 victory. A victory over 35 year old Fed on clay. Ok Nadal at AO. Wawrinka had a good run and is a respectable champion. I'm simply breaking it down to show that your stats are merely an illusion. You try to make something much grander than it is because you know it looks good for a passer by poster.
 
True Fanerer said:
Murray played a minor role at UO 2013.Other than that it's all Djokovic. Nadal had never lost to Wawrinka until Djokovic kryptonite had been born/created. Federer had lost once way back in 2009 on clay. I'm just saying. Those were like moral victories for Stan(5 setters). Djokovic did this.
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This is quite ridiculous. You act like Wawrinka didn't beat Berdych and Murray at US Open 2013 and what does beating Djokovic in Australia 2014 have to do with him beating Nadal in the final that year? Preposterous.
 
True Fanerer said:
I've already explained this.
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Your concept makes zero sense. Wawrinka has beaten Djokovic only 5 times in his career to 20 losses. Some kryptonite. He got Djokovic a few times in Slams like he got everyone else including Federer, Murray and Nadal. So Djokovic is to blame for all of them losing? Not a chance.
 
Phoenix1983 said:
The stats in Federer’s favour are numerous and encompass winning more of the biggest titles in the game, having more time at No 1, longer consecutive streaks than anyone else, and so on.

But these stats are so well known that they have passed into the game’s lore. Federer fans hardly have need to create thread after thread trotting them out.

Unlike your good friend Lew, who digs into every obscure stat he can find, in a futile attempt to contrive GOAThood for Novak Djokovic.
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Let's call it what it is - LAZY. There's hardly any work in any of the posts by your camp. We need insights with depth.
 
Justice Underworld said:
Your concept makes zero sense. Wawrinka has beaten Djokovic only 5 times in his career to 20 losses. Some kryptonite. He got Djokovic a few times in Slams like he got everyone else including Federer, Murray and Nadal. So Djokovic is to blame for all of them losing? Not a chance.
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You are looking at it from a closed minded point of view. There's a timeline that goes with the rise of every great run and Wawrinka 's started with Djokovic and happened for the most part through Djokovic. Anyone watching tennis back then knows this.
 
True Fanerer said:
You are looking at it from a closed minded point of view. There's a timeline that goes with the rise of every great run and Wawrinka 's started with Djokovic and happened for the most part through Djokovic. Anyone watching tennis back then knows this.
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As if Djokovic is the only player on tour. I'm looking at from a point of view that makes sense and you are not. Wawrinka had already shown promise in back to back Slams in 2010 US Open and 2011 Australia when he beat Murray and Roddick. Djokovic had beaten Wawrinka 14 straight times when he lost to him in Australia back then. His rise in form had zero to do with Djokovic.
 
True Fanerer said:
It's one big 3 victory. A victory over 35 year old Fed on clay. Ok Nadal at AO. Wawrinka had a good run and is a respectable champion. I'm simply breaking it down to show that your stats are merely an illusion. You try to make something much grander than it is because you know it looks good for a passer by poster.
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"35 year old Federer" was not 34 yet.

Anyway, wins in Grand Slams over top-8:

2003-08 Roddick: 1
2013-18 Wawrinka: 14

But I guess Roddick deserves respect while Wawrinka the journeyman does not, right?
 
ABCD said:
You are heading towards nervous breakdown like a guy who deleted himself an his 4K posts the other day. Incidentally, he was Federer fan as well.
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No, I'm quite fine really. A crown and coke for breakfast and argue with delusional Djokovic fans. Perfect morning.
 
True Fanerer said:
No, I'm quite fine really. A crown and coke for breakfast and argue with delusional Djokovic fans. Perfect morning.
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I am glad to here that you are OK. These Djokovic's fans are really pain. I can't imagine what would happen if Djokovic overtakes Federer in slam count.
 
Jonas78 said:
They could make upsets, In their earlier days. Nadal was just crap 2015.

The absense of a well-playing Nadal, Delpos injury, Cilic decline +The lost generation just made it extremely easy for the top4 players to roll over Bendych, Nishi, Ferrer etc and the rest of the field.

After a promising 2014, 2015 was the year were the missing 89+ generation really started the career inflation era.
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2009 GS wins:

1) Federer 26
2) Del Potro 17
3) Roddick 16
4) Nadal 15
/ Djokovic 15
/ Murray 15
/ Verdasco 15
8) Gonzalez 14
9) Soderling 14
10) Haas 12

Total: 159

2015 GS wins:

1) Djokovic 27
2) Wawrinka 21
3) Murray 19
4) Federer 18
5) Berdych 14
/ Gasquet 14
7) Cilic 12
/ Anderson 12
9) Nadal 11
10) Tsonga 11

Total: 159

Exactly the same total, so you have a point.

Taking into account other tournaments:

2009's top10: 60.805 atp points
2015's top10: 64.535

I've never trashed 2009 anyway, great year.
 
Seems like a good measure of weak depth in the field; the more slam wins a limited set of four players can rack up, the poorer the breadth of competition must be.

QED

assuming the conclusion is fun.
 
Justice Underworld said:
As if Djokovic is the only player on tour. I'm looking at from a point of view that makes sense and you are not. Wawrinka had already shown promise in back to back Slams in 2010 US Open and 2011 Australia when he beat Murray and Roddick. Djokovic had beaten Wawrinka 14 straight times when he lost to him in Australia back then. His rise in form had zero to do with Djokovic.
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Djokovic had nothing to do with him winning three slams either. Just beat Djokovic EVERY time. Wasn't beating any other GOAT candidates every time he met them at a slam.
 
robthai said:
I have to admit 5-4 h2h against Roddick is hilarious. What are the excuses for this?
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Djokovic's h2h before 2011 and now:

vs federer 6-13 ---> 25-22
nadal 7-16 ---> 27-25
murray 4-3 ---> 24-11
tsonga 2-5 ---> 16-6
ferrer 5-4 ---> 16-5
verdasco 5-4 ---> 11-4
haas 2-2 ---> 6-3
youzhny 4-3 ---> 7-3
davydenko 3-2 ---> 6-2
ferrero 1-1 ---> 2-1
anderson 0-1 ---> 7-1
gasquet 3-1 ---> 13-1
melzer 2-1 ---> 3-1
 
Lew said:
2009 GS wins:

1) Federer 26
2) Del Potro 17
3) Roddick 16
4) Nadal 15
/ Djokovic 15
/ Murray 15
/ Verdasco 15
8) Gonzalez 14
9) Soderling 14
10) Haas 12

Total: 159

2015 GS wins:

1) Djokovic 27
2) Wawrinka 21
3) Murray 19
4) Federer 18
5) Berdych 14
/ Gasquet 14
7) Cilic 12
/ Anderson 12
9) Nadal 11
10) Tsonga 11

Total: 159

Exactly the same total, so you have a point.

Taking into account other tournaments:

2009's top10: 60.805 atp points
2015's top10: 64.535

I've never trashed 2009 anyway, great year.
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I'll do this for other years too when I have time, I enjoy it.

Let's start with 2011 and 2006:

1) Djokovic 26
2) Nadal 23
3) Murray 21
4) Federer 20
5) Ferrer 14
6) Tsonga 13
7) Fish 10
8) Roddick 9
/ Berdych 9
/ Monfils 9

Total: 154

1) Federer 27
2) Nadal 17
3) Baghdatis 13
/ Nalbandian 13
/ Davydenko 13
6) Hewitt 12
7) Roddick 11
/ Ljubicic 11
/ Haas 11
10) Blake 10

Total: 138
 
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