Most GS wins by year - Top10

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2000
1) Sampras 18
2) Norman 15
3) Agassi 14
4) Kafelnikov 13
5) Safin 12
6) Ferrero 10
7) Henman 10
8) Kuerten 9
9) Ferreira 9
10) Johansson 9

2001
1) Agassi 20
2) Hewitt 16
3) Kafelnikov 15
4) Safin 14
5) Rafter 14
6) Sampras 13
7) Federer 13
8) Kuerten 12
9) Henman 12
10) Grosjean 12

2002
1) Hewitt 15
2) Safin 13
3) Sampras 11
4) Henman 11
5) Agassi 11
6) Novak 11
7) Schalken 11
8) Haas 11
9) Costa 11
10) Gonzalez 10

2003
1) Ferrero 20
2) Agassi 19
3) Roddick 17
4) Schuettler 14
5) Federer 13
6) Nalbandian 13
7) Coria 12
8) El Aynaoui 12
9) Philippoussis 11
10) Schalken 11

2004
1) Federer 22
2) Hewitt 17
3) Henman 16
4) Roddick 15
5) Grosjean 11
6) Nalbandian 10
7) Johansson 10
8) Ferrero 9
9) Safin 9
10) Ancic 9

2005
1) Federer 24
2) Hewitt 16
3) Nalbandian 15
4) Nadal 13
5) Coria 13
6) Roddick 12
7) Safin 12
8) Davydenko 11
9) Grosjean 10
10) Gonzalez 10

2006
1) Federer 27
2) Nadal 17
3) Baghdatis 13
4) Nalbandian 13
5) Davydenko 13
6) Hewitt 12
7) Roddick 11
8) Ljubicic 11
9) Haas 11
10) Blake 10

2007
1) Federer 26
2) Nadal 20
3) Djokovic 19
4) Davydenko 17
5) Roddick 13
6) Haas 12
7) Robredo 11
8) Ferrer 11
9) Gasquet 10
10) Berdych 10

2008
1) Nadal 24
2) Federer 24
3) Djokovic 18
4) Murray 12
5) Ferrer 12
6) Gonzalez 10
7) Youzhny 9
8) Wawrinka 9
9) Cilic 9
10) Verdasco 9

2009
1) Federer 26
2) Del Potro 17
3) Roddick 16
4) Nadal 15
5) Djokovic 15
6) Murray 15
7) Verdasco 15
8) Gonzalez 14
9) Soderling 14
10) Haas 12

2010
1) Nadal 25
2) Federer 20
3) Djokovic 19
4) Murray 16
5) Soderling 14
6) Tsonga 12
7) Berdych 12
8) Youzhny 12
9) Melzer 11
10) Roddick 10

2011
1) Djokovic 26
2) Nadal 23
3) Murray 21
4) Federer 20
5) Ferrer 14
6) Tsonga 13
7) Fish 10
8) Roddick 9
9) Berdych 9
10) Monfils 9

2012
1) Djokovic 24
2) Murray 22
3) Federer 19
4) Ferrer 18
5) Del Potro 15
6) Nadal 14
7) Tsonga 13
8) Gasquet 12
9) Berdych 12
10) Almagro 12

2013
1) Djokovic 24
2) Ferrer 19
3) Murray 17
4) Nadal 14
5) Federer 13
6) Gasquet 13
7) Wawrinka 12
8) Berdych 11
9) Tsonga 10
10) Robredo 10

2014
1) Djokovic 22
2) Federer 19
3) Murray 17
4) Nadal 16
5) Berdych 15
6) Cilic 14
7) Raonic 14
8) Wawrinka 13
9) Nishikori 12
10) Dimitrov 12

2015
1) Djokovic 27
2) Wawrinka 21
3) Murray 19
4) Federer 18
5) Berdych 14
6) Gasquet 14
7) Cilic 12
8) Anderson 12
9) Nadal 11
10) Tsonga 11

2016
1) Murray 23
2) Djokovic 21
3) Wawrinka 16
4) Nishikori 15
5) Raonic 15
6) Berdych 13
7) Tsonga 13
8) Thiem 11
9) Federer 10
10) Goffin 10

2017
1) Nadal 23
2) Federer 18
3) Thiem 14
4) Cilic 13
5) Murray 12
6) Anderson 12
7) Wawrinka 11
8) Dimitrov 11
9) Carreno 11
10) Querrey 11

2018
1) Djokovic 21
2) Nadal 21
3) Del Potro 17
4) Cilic 15
5) Federer 14
6) Thiem 13
7) Nishikori 12
8) Anderson 12
9) Isner 12
10) Zverev 10
 
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Total

2000: 119
2001: 141
2002: 115
2003: 142
2004: 127
2005: 136
2006: 138
2007: 149
2008: 136
2009: 159
2010: 151
2011: 154
2012: 161
2013: 143
2014: 154
2015: 159
2016: 147
2017: 136
2018: 147
 
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Best years:

1) 2012
2) 2009 / 2015
4) 2011 / 2014
6) 2010
7) 2007
8) 2016 / 2018
10) 2013

Slam titles in the 5 best years:

Djokovic 8
Nadal 4
Federer 3

Slam titles in the 10 best years:

Djokovic 13
Nadal 11
Federer 8
 
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5 Best years' ranking:

2009: 1) Federer, 2) Nadal, 3) Djokovic
2011: 1) Djokovic, 2) Nadal, 3) Federer
2012: 1) Djokovic, 2) Federer, 4) Nadal
2014: 1) Djokovic, 2) Federer, 3) Nadal
2015: 1) Djokovic, 3) Federer, 5) Nadal
 

NoleFam

G.O.A.T.
I'm not surprised to see 2012 top the list. If I had to choose one year I thought it would be, I would choose that one. I'm also not surprised to see most years of this decade at the top.
 

ABCD

Hall of Fame
2000
1) Sampras 18
2) Norman 15
3) Agassi 14
4) Kafelnikov 13
5) Safin 12
6) Ferrero 10
7) Henman 10
8) Kuerten 9
9) Ferreira 9
10) Johansson 9

2001
1) Agassi 20
2) Hewitt 16
3) Kafelnikov 15
4) Safin 14
5) Rafter 14
6) Sampras 13
7) Federer 13
8) Kuerten 12
9) Henman 12
10) Grosjean 12

2002
1) Hewitt 15
2) Safin 13
3) Sampras 11
4) Henman 11
5) Agassi 11
6) Novak 11
7) Schalken 11
8) Haas 11
9) Gonzalez 10
10) Ferreira 9

2003
1) Ferrero 20
2) Agassi 19
3) Roddick 17
4) Schuettler 14
5) Federer 13
6) Nalbandian 13
7) Coria 12
8) El Aynaoui 12
9) Philippoussis 11
10) Schalken 11

2004
1) Federer 22
2) Hewitt 17
3) Henman 16
4) Roddick 15
5) Grosjean 11
6) Nalbandian 10
7) Johansson 10
8) Ferrero 9
9) Safin 9
10) Ancic 9

2005
1) Federer 24
2) Hewitt 16
3) Nalbandian 15
4) Nadal 13
5) Coria 13
6) Roddick 12
7) Safin 12
8) Davydenko 11
9) Grosjean 10
10) Gonzalez 10

2006
1) Federer 27
2) Nadal 17
3) Baghdatis 13
4) Nalbandian 13
5) Davydenko 13
6) Hewitt 12
7) Roddick 11
8) Ljubicic 11
9) Haas 11
10) Blake 10

2007
1) Federer 26
2) Nadal 20
3) Djokovic 19
4) Davydenko 17
5) Roddick 13
6) Haas 12
7) Robredo 11
8) Ferrer 11
9) Gasquet 10
10) Berdych 10

2008
1) Nadal 24
2) Federer 24
3) Djokovic 18
4) Murray 12
5) Ferrer 12
6) Gonzalez 10
7) Youzhny 9
8) Wawrinka 9
9) Cilic 9
10) Verdasco 9

2009
1) Federer 26
2) Del Potro 17
3) Roddick 16
4) Nadal 15
5) Djokovic 15
6) Murray 15
7) Verdasco 15
8) Gonzalez 14
9) Soderling 14
10) Haas 12

2010
1) Nadal 25
2) Federer 20
3) Djokovic 19
4) Murray 16
5) Soderling 14
6) Tsonga 12
7) Berdych 12
8) Youzhny 12
9) Melzer 11
10) Roddick 10

2011
1) Djokovic 26
2) Nadal 23
3) Murray 21
4) Federer 20
5) Ferrer 14
6) Tsonga 13
7) Fish 10
8) Roddick 9
9) Berdych 9
10) Monfils 9

2012
1) Djokovic 24
2) Murray 22
3) Federer 19
4) Ferrer 18
5) Del Potro 15
6) Nadal 14
7) Tsonga 13
8) Gasquet 12
9) Berdych 12
10) Almagro 12

2013
1) Djokovic 24
2) Ferrer 19
3) Murray 17
4) Nadal 14
5) Federer 13
6) Gasquet 13
7) Wawrinka 12
8) Berdych 11
9) Tsonga 10
10) Robredo 10

2014
1) Djokovic 22
2) Federer 19
3) Murray 17
4) Nadal 16
5) Berdych 15
6) Cilic 14
7) Raonic 14
8) Wawrinka 13
9) Nishikori 12
10) Dimitrov 12

2015
1) Djokovic 27
2) Wawrinka 21
3) Murray 19
4) Federer 18
5) Berdych 14
6) Gasquet 14
7) Cilic 12
8) Anderson 12
9) Nadal 11
10) Tsonga 11

2016
1) Murray 23
2) Djokovic 21
3) Wawrinka 16
4) Nishikori 15
5) Raonic 15
6) Berdych 13
7) Tsonga 13
8) Thiem 11
9) Federer 10
10) Goffin 10

2017
1) Nadal 23
2) Federer 18
3) Thiem 14
4) Cilic 13
5) Murray 12
6) Anderson 12
7) Wawrinka 11
8) Dimitrov 11
9) Carreno 11
10) Querrey 11

2018
1) Djokovic 21
2) Nadal 21
3) Del Potro 17
4) Cilic 15
5) Federer 14
6) Thiem 13
7) Nishikori 12
8) Anderson 12
9) Isner 12
10) Zverev 10
Lew, Keep up good work. You are an example of a great poster. You use hard facts and not coulda, woulda, shoulda.
 

NatF

Bionic Poster
Anything by fans of depth of field?
lol at you thinking an extra 6 players covers "depth of field" also lol at you thinking that depth of field can only be expressed by consistency - especially in era's with more diverse playing conditions.
 

itrium84

Semi-Pro
lol at you thinking an extra 6 players covers "depth of field" also lol at you thinking that depth of field can only be expressed by consistency - especially in era's with more diverse playing conditions.
What covers depth of field? What should it be expressed by?

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NatF

Bionic Poster
What covers depth of field? What should it be expressed by?

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Don't know, but just the top 10 and only wins in slams is a lame attempt. I'd expand it to at least the top 20-25, or top 32 for seeds. I'd look at titles won, overall win/loss etc...
 
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Don't know, but just the top 10 and only wins in slams is a lame attempt. I'd expand it to at least the top 20-25, or top 32 for seeds. I'd look at titles won, overall win/loss etc...
2003-06 has better journeymen, how could I not think of that.
 

NatF

Bionic Poster
2003-06 has better journeymen, how could I not think of that.
Guy you think just looking at 10 players wins in slams is a good measure for depth.

At least make an honest attempt if you're going to make one.
 
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Jonas78

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2000
1) Sampras 18
2) Norman 15
3) Agassi 14
4) Kafelnikov 13
5) Safin 12
6) Ferrero 10
7) Henman 10
8) Kuerten 9
9) Ferreira 9
10) Johansson 9

2001
1) Agassi 20
2) Hewitt 16
3) Kafelnikov 15
4) Safin 14
5) Rafter 14
6) Sampras 13
7) Federer 13
8) Kuerten 12
9) Henman 12
10) Grosjean 12

2002
1) Hewitt 15
2) Safin 13
3) Sampras 11
4) Henman 11
5) Agassi 11
6) Novak 11
7) Schalken 11
8) Haas 11
9) Gonzalez 10
10) Ferreira 9

2003
1) Ferrero 20
2) Agassi 19
3) Roddick 17
4) Schuettler 14
5) Federer 13
6) Nalbandian 13
7) Coria 12
8) El Aynaoui 12
9) Philippoussis 11
10) Schalken 11

2004
1) Federer 22
2) Hewitt 17
3) Henman 16
4) Roddick 15
5) Grosjean 11
6) Nalbandian 10
7) Johansson 10
8) Ferrero 9
9) Safin 9
10) Ancic 9

2005
1) Federer 24
2) Hewitt 16
3) Nalbandian 15
4) Nadal 13
5) Coria 13
6) Roddick 12
7) Safin 12
8) Davydenko 11
9) Grosjean 10
10) Gonzalez 10

2006
1) Federer 27
2) Nadal 17
3) Baghdatis 13
4) Nalbandian 13
5) Davydenko 13
6) Hewitt 12
7) Roddick 11
8) Ljubicic 11
9) Haas 11
10) Blake 10

2007
1) Federer 26
2) Nadal 20
3) Djokovic 19
4) Davydenko 17
5) Roddick 13
6) Haas 12
7) Robredo 11
8) Ferrer 11
9) Gasquet 10
10) Berdych 10

2008
1) Nadal 24
2) Federer 24
3) Djokovic 18
4) Murray 12
5) Ferrer 12
6) Gonzalez 10
7) Youzhny 9
8) Wawrinka 9
9) Cilic 9
10) Verdasco 9

2009
1) Federer 26
2) Del Potro 17
3) Roddick 16
4) Nadal 15
5) Djokovic 15
6) Murray 15
7) Verdasco 15
8) Gonzalez 14
9) Soderling 14
10) Haas 12

2010
1) Nadal 25
2) Federer 20
3) Djokovic 19
4) Murray 16
5) Soderling 14
6) Tsonga 12
7) Berdych 12
8) Youzhny 12
9) Melzer 11
10) Roddick 10

2011
1) Djokovic 26
2) Nadal 23
3) Murray 21
4) Federer 20
5) Ferrer 14
6) Tsonga 13
7) Fish 10
8) Roddick 9
9) Berdych 9
10) Monfils 9

2012
1) Djokovic 24
2) Murray 22
3) Federer 19
4) Ferrer 18
5) Del Potro 15
6) Nadal 14
7) Tsonga 13
8) Gasquet 12
9) Berdych 12
10) Almagro 12

2013
1) Djokovic 24
2) Ferrer 19
3) Murray 17
4) Nadal 14
5) Federer 13
6) Gasquet 13
7) Wawrinka 12
8) Berdych 11
9) Tsonga 10
10) Robredo 10

2014
1) Djokovic 22
2) Federer 19
3) Murray 17
4) Nadal 16
5) Berdych 15
6) Cilic 14
7) Raonic 14
8) Wawrinka 13
9) Nishikori 12
10) Dimitrov 12

2015
1) Djokovic 27
2) Wawrinka 21
3) Murray 19
4) Federer 18
5) Berdych 14
6) Gasquet 14
7) Cilic 12
8) Anderson 12
9) Nadal 11
10) Tsonga 11

2016
1) Murray 23
2) Djokovic 21
3) Wawrinka 16
4) Nishikori 15
5) Raonic 15
6) Berdych 13
7) Tsonga 13
8) Thiem 11
9) Federer 10
10) Goffin 10

2017
1) Nadal 23
2) Federer 18
3) Thiem 14
4) Cilic 13
5) Murray 12
6) Anderson 12
7) Wawrinka 11
8) Dimitrov 11
9) Carreno 11
10) Querrey 11

2018
1) Djokovic 21
2) Nadal 21
3) Del Potro 17
4) Cilic 15
5) Federer 14
6) Thiem 13
7) Nishikori 12
8) Anderson 12
9) Isner 12
10) Zverev 10
Nishikori ended YE#8 2015, but isnt even top10 on GS wins same year? Some Big Match player:).

Nice effort! I wouldnt say these stats are irrelevant, but they have to be part of a bigger picture. Many players arent consistent for a season. Like Djokovic 2016. His AO16 level was insane, but he fell of a cliff after W. Players were also more specialized earlier. Nadal 2005 was already a clay-god, but didnt have many GS wins on other surfaces.

Many GS wins in top10 isnt equal to a strong year. As said earlier, 2015 comes to mind. It's Nads worst season, and that alone clearly makes the field weaker. Federer good, but not peak. Delpo out. And as i said, after a promising 2014, the year 2015 was the year were the lack of good 89+ players really starts to make an impact. In 2014 both Raonic, Dimi and Nishi are top10, In 2015 it's just the old boys.
 
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tennis_pro

Bionic Poster
Man you tried so hard and got so far but in the end it doesn't even matter.

Because Fed has 20 Slams and there's no way around it LMAO.
 

The Fedfather

Hall of Fame
It took a lot of time, please discuss.

It takes into account your beloved depth of field.
You can't objectively measure how tough the competition was at any given match or an entire Slam based on their Slam wins in the entire year which is what you're doing with the whole 'best years' gig.

If we go with such metrics then that'd mean Djokovic defeated a better Nadal ar RG 2015 than Soderling did in 2009-not true, Djokovic was better at Wimbledon 2013 than at Wimbledon 2014 - not true, Djokovic at 2010 AO was better than at AO 2008 - not true, Wawrinka beat the absolute best version of Djokovic at RG - not true, Nadal in his AO run was meh compared to the 2011 glory - lol and so on.

These are just a few very obvious examples that you'd get playing the numbers game. Consistency does not equal playing well in every single match. Dominating the most consistent top 10 doesn't necessarily mean you had to face the toughest top 10 in the matches you played against them.
 
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18+ slam wins:

2000: 1
2001: 1
2002: 0
2003: 1
2004: 1
2005: 1
2006: 1
2007: 3
2008: 3
2009: 1
2010: 3
2011: 4
2012: 4
2013: 2
2014: 2
2015: 4
2016: 2
2017: 2
2018: 2
 
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18+ slam wins:

2000: 1
2001: 1
2002: 0
2003: 1
2004: 1
2005: 1
2006: 1
2007: 3
2008: 3
2009: 1
2010: 3
2011: 4
2012: 4
2013: 2
2014: 2
2015: 4
2016: 2
2017: 2
2018: 2
2003-09 average: 1.6
2010-18 average: 2.8

2003-07 average: 1.4
2011-15 average: 3.2
 
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MS_07

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I wonder why this is the criteria for depth of field and not the other way ?

More the wins for top 10 means field is depleted and they have nobody who offers a resistance. Less wins for top 10 means field is strong and they have to fight for their next spot in the later rounds also.
 
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I wonder why this is the criteria for depth of field and not the other way ?

More the wins for top 10 means field is depleted and they have nobody who offers a resistance. Less wins for top 10 means field is strong and they have to fight for their next spot in the later rounds also.
IMO champions define eras.

I don't have the statical and language knowledge to explain you why, though.
 
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2004, 2005, 2006: no other player with 18+ slam wins
2011, 2015: three other players with 18+ slam wins
 
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18+ slam wins:

2011: 4
2012: 4
2013: 2
2014: 2
2015: 4
Extremely competitive years considering out of this are 2012 Nadal (14-2), 2013 Nadal (14-1), 2013 Murray (17-2) and 2014 Nadal (16-2).

When I have time I'll do it with winning percentages.
 
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MS_07

Rookie
2004, 2005, 2006: no other player with 18+ slam wins
2011, 2015: three other players with 18+ slam wins
Ned had to fight one ATG to prove his mattle and has to fight one more ATG following his steps.

Joker has to fight ******* and clay goat in early career. Once he's done with him then there's nobody to challenge his position. Today's lost gen has no stamina and will power to fight for 5 sets.

There are few performances here and there from them but no constant resistance.
 
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Players with 14+ wins and 81+% of wins in Grand Slams:

2004: 1
2005: 2
2006: 2
2007: 3
2008: 3
2009: 3
2010: 3
2011: 4
2012: 5
2013: 4
2014: 5
2015: 4
2016: 3
2017: 2
2018: 3
 
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Players with 14+ wins and 81+% of wins in Grand Slams:

2004: 1
2005: 2
2006: 2
2007: 3
2008: 3
2009: 3
2010: 3
2011: 4
2012: 5
2013: 4
2014: 5
2015: 4
2016: 3
2017: 2
2018: 3
2004-06 average: 1.67
2007-10 average: 3
2011-15 average: 4.4
2016-18 average: 2.67
 

Raining hopes

Hall of Fame
So Fred is no. 1 in weak eras and no.1 also in strongest year(2009) and no.2 ahead of Nadal in every strong year .

Guess this proves

Fred>>> Nadal

As for Djokovic , he is ,was and will remain a beast
 

dr325i

Legend
With all of those players have won X's number of slam matches, the only player who ever reaches 20 slams and became GOAT is Roger Federer.

Because the number of slams is all that matters...
I am sure you only look at 0-60 number when you buy your new "cool" car...
 

Jonas78

Legend
Extremely competitive years considering out of this are 2012 Nadal (14-2), 2013 Nadal (14-1), 2013 Murray (17-2) and 2014 Nadal (16-2).

When I have time I'll do it with winning percentages.
I think you are partly contradicting yourself. If i get you right you think:
Big 3 >> Murray >>>> The field.

That means that if a member (or more) of Big3/Big4 is not at his best, it would severely weaken the field.

This is why i think 2013 (Feds worst year ever) and 2015 (Nads worst year ever) alone put these years far behind 2009,2011,2012. I would throw in 2014 too, because both Fedal wasnt at their best. Murray also a lot of troubles in 2013/2014. This is a lot more important than If Berdych has 11 or 14 GS wins.

I think these numbers are very misguiding. If anything, it show years with more or less injuries more than anything else. As an example, two top10 players skipping a slam because of injury could mean 10-12 GS wins.
 
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ABCD

Hall of Fame
I think you are partly contradicting yourself. If i get you right you think:
Big 3 >> Murray >>>> The field.

That means that if a member (or more) of Big3/Big4 is not at his best, it would severely weaken the field.

This is why i think 2013 (Feds worst year ever) and 2015 (Nads worst year ever) alone put these years far behind 2009,2011,2012. I would throw in 2014 too, because both Fedal wasnt at their best. Murray also a lot of troubles in 2013/2014. This is a lot more important than If Berdych has 11 or 14 GS wins.

I think these numbers are very misguiding. If anything, it show years with more or less injuries more than anything else. As an example, two top10 players skipping a slam because of injury could mean 10-12 GS wins.
If one use your logic (I disagree with it) one has to put all pre-2011 years as weak ones (gluten Djokovic) plus 2017 (bad Djokovic). In this scenario, you can compare players in 2011 and 2012. Dear Lew, if you have time, please do comparisons between players taking into account only 2011 and 2012.
 

JackGates

Hall of Fame
Ok, OP is owning himself here twice. He argues that if top 10 guys are winning too much, it's a weak era. So, how is 2012 strong where players outside of top aren't doing well, this means less depth.
Also if slam wins is what determines who strongest opponent is, this means Fed is the strongest opponent since he has 20 majors, so he must be the best, right?

So, OP is contradicting himself twice. Saying that Fed is the toughest competitor with 20 majors, but at the same time he is the worse, because he won too much. That's why you can't compare eras and why this goat thing is a stupid debate.

For me personally only Fed, Laver and Borg are the best. They could play on all surfaces and were very consistent. Rafa, Nole and Pete are clueless where they play on their worse conditions. Borg sadly retired. Now we have Laver and Federer. But, this is just my opinion, we can't determine who the goat is, so let's leave it at that.
 

Jonas78

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If one use your logic (I disagree with it) one has to put all pre-2011 years as weak ones (gluten Djokovic) plus 2017 (bad Djokovic). In this scenario, you can compare players in 2011 and 2012. Dear Lew, if you have time, please do comparisons between players taking into account only 2011 and 2012.
I can't see that i am using the logic you are referring to. I am putting all the years from 2003 to 2011 behind 2011/2012 except 2009. Big4 peaks did never coincide, but in 2009 Big4 + Delpo were year end top5. 2009 wasnt an off year like Fed2013 (3800p) or Nadal 2015 (4600p). Of course, 2009 wasnt Djokers peak, but so wasnt 2011/2012 for Fed. I think both me and Lew agree Big4 was the dominant forces 2011-2016, so one or more of them being off in this period makes a huge impact. Pre 2008/2009 was another era. As i said earlier, i cant see that if Nishikori or Berdych has 10 or 14 GS wins are the decisive factor for a strong or weak year
 
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Ok, OP is owning himself here twice. He argues that if top 10 guys are winning too much, it's a weak era. So, how is 2012 strong where players outside of top aren't doing well, this means less depth.
Also if slam wins is what determines who strongest opponent is, this means Fed is the strongest opponent since he has 20 majors, so he must be the best, right?

So, OP is contradicting himself twice. Saying that Fed is the toughest competitor with 20 majors, but at the same time he is the worse, because he won too much. That's why you can't compare eras and why this goat thing is a stupid debate.

For me personally only Fed, Laver and Borg are the best. They could play on all surfaces and were very consistent. Rafa, Nole and Pete are clueless where they play on their worse conditions. Borg sadly retired. Now we have Laver and Federer. But, this is just my opinion, we can't determine who the goat is, so let's leave it at that.
I din't write gs wins tell everyhting, but it is a good way to measure the presence of ATGs, who are usually consistent.

Federer's consistency is unmatched, true, but in the run to slam titles, #1 criteria for greatness and peak of play, he seems to have profited of the periods which lacked other champions.
 

Pistol10

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Lew, Keep up good work. You are an example of a great poster. You use hard facts and not coulda, woulda, shoulda.
Me too, not that #metoo :p.

I do appreciate facts seekers instead of those emotional talker.. I love him, he is wounderful he is the goat, if there was a time machine, he would, could...etc.

Thanks @Lew
 
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