Most Over-Rated Player's Racquet

LuckyR

Legend
PS85 St. Vincent: Overrated because of a particular player "preferred" it to other versions. Therefore since one of the greatest players ever used it the rest of the world thinks it's better than the latter versions. Again, different strokes for different folks. I "preferred" the Chinese version because it had more flex and was not jarring like the older models.
I agree, especially since that certain player has said if he had to do it all over again he would have switched away from that stick at the latter stages of his career, especially on clay.
 
What I fail to understand is... if you think the original Max 200G is the best feeling/playing frame ever...still... why don't you use them on a regular basis? The frames are still available all over the net. I've got a few from fleabay that are close to mint (not interested selling them) for 50-60 dollars apiece.
there are few frames that have better feeling frames than my PT630 but can I play optimal with them? not really, the PS85 along with the PC600 and the Max200G all have nice feeling frames but they all share small size heads which I sometimes misshit for my style of play at this stage of my tennis playing life. If I were more of a S/v then maybe I can use them but for now I am more of a baseline basher

anyway the Max 200G in mint condition are more over $300
 

pmerk34

Legend
there are few frames that have better feeling frames than my PT630 but can I play optimal with them? not really, the PS85 along with the PC600 and the Max200G all have nice feeling frames but they all share small size heads which I sometimes misshit for my style of play at this stage of my tennis playing life. If I were more of a S/v then maybe I can use them but for now I am more of a baseline basher

anyway the Max 200G in mint condition are more over $300
No top ranked pro's bother with the 200g's anymore
 

meowmix

Hall of Fame
No top ranked pro's bother with the 200g's anymore
And you know that how?

And since WHEN did most people on these boards give two pence about what the players use? Isn't the general consensus to use whatever the heck feels good and disregard if/what players use it?
 

2nd_Serve

Professional
And you know that how?

And since WHEN did most people on these boards give two pence about what the players use? Isn't the general consensus to use whatever the heck feels good and disregard if/what players use it?
Well...A lot of people believe pros switch rackets every year, and decide to "use what the pros use".

And everyone hating on the K90. You guys must be high. It is one of the best rackets out there. The problem with everyone hating on it, is because they can't hit it in the sweetspot themselves. Unless of course, they don't like that crisp feeling that it gives.
 

Syfo-Dias

Professional
Yonex RDX 500 mid by far. Couldn't do anything with it until I added a ton of lead tape, even then it was just OK at best.
I don't really see how you not liking it makes it overrated. In the grand scheme, it never was a super popular racquet to begin with. I mean, it was pretty big on this board, but it wasn't used nearly as much as other players racquets by the general tennis playing populace. In the 2.5 years I've lived in my current city, I have not seen a single other person use the RDX 500 Mid other than myself.
 

pmerk34

Legend
And you know that how?

And since WHEN did most people on these boards give two pence about what the players use? Isn't the general consensus to use whatever the heck feels good and disregard if/what players use it?

A paint job on the 200G would be pretty obvious. The thing is a relic
 

Pushmaster

Hall of Fame
I don't really see how you not liking it makes it overrated. In the grand scheme, it never was a super popular racquet to begin with. I mean, it was pretty big on this board, but it wasn't used nearly as much as other players racquets by the general tennis playing populace. In the 2.5 years I've lived in my current city, I have not seen a single other person use the RDX 500 Mid other than myself.
Well, maybe I should have said it's the most overrated racquet on these boards then (at least one of them anyway)?

I didn't like anything about it. Too light, no power, no plow-through, no feel. I'm still amazed by how many guys here described the RDX 500 mid's feel as "buttery"? It felt stiff and tinny to me. If you want butter get a PC 600, C10 Pro, or a PT 630/280.
 
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TonyB

Hall of Fame
I'll do you a favor and wash your hands of those ****ty PTs and treks for 20 bucks.

Hey, how did that word make it past the censor?

Interesting.


BTW, the K90 is only overrated if you bought it with the impression that it would improve your game. It won't.

But you can certainly improve your game AROUND the racquet. In that sense, I've found that I can hit some shots with it that I just can't get from my RDS 001 mid. In many areas, my game is far better with the K90 than the RDS. But in some areas, it's noticeably worse. Everything's a tradeoff.
 
I just can't see recommending 25 year old discontinued frames, especially to someonw who has never used it before. Why not just playtest the dozens of readily avaialble frames?
that is because not only dozens but almost all the frames that came out in the last 10 years or so are ................plastic Junk, is that a good enough reason, when you play the Max200G or frames from the 80's you will know what I am talking about and that is coming from a PT630 user that came out in the mid 90's after that it was pretty much down hill. with maybe one or two exceptions :oops:
 

pmerk34

Legend
that is because not only dozens but almost all the frames that came out in the last 10 years or so are ................plastic Junk, is that a good enough reason, when you play the Max200G or frames from the 80's you will know what I am talking about and that is coming from a PT630 user that came out in the mid 90's after that it was pretty much down hill. with maybe one or two exceptions :oops:
I've played with the 200G, Wilson Sting, Black Max, Pro Kennex Composite Destiny, Pro Kennex Ceramic Destiny AVC ,Dunlop Revelation Yahmaha Secret and bunch of other Prince Frames and Wilson Prostaffs from that era. They were great back then but it never occured to me to have to go back to them now. I can see why touring pro's stick to the same frames but the rest of us should be able to find something new I would think. If you have a bunch in your bag and feel no need to switch then i can see getting frames from wherever to have.
 
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they were great back then and they are still great, sure, but for the rest of use who are not pros who appreciate that feel that they are still loathing for, even if it does not suite today's game.
 

Syfo-Dias

Professional
Well, maybe I should have said it's the most overrated racquet on these boards then (at least one of them anyway)?

I didn't like anything about it. Too light, no power, no plow-through, no feel. I'm still amazed by how many guys here described the RDX 500 mid's feel as "buttery"? It felt stiff and tinny to me. If you want butter get a PC 600, C10 Pro, or a PT 630/280.
Those are great racquets that you mentioned, but I can't agree with your assessment of the RDX Mid. If you play it right out of the box, it may be a bit too light. But after changing the stock grip to a Gamma Hi-Tech, adding an overgrip, vibration dampener and head tape it ends up weighing over 12 oz. and feels quite solid to me. One thing I've liked about the RDX is the plow through factor that I get with it. Whenever I play with sub 12 oz. racquets I always end up missing that solid feeling. To me it's one of those racquets that feels like an extension of my arm. I guess it's not for everyone though.
 

TonyB

Hall of Fame
^^^what happened to your TF335s? I thought you were a die-hard TF man??

Great racquets, but I sustained a shoulder injury while playing with them. Since then, I dropped my racquet weight substantially and started playing again, gradually building up in weight. I also wanted to go back to a 90 sq. in. frame, so I went with the RDS mid. I still have good memories of the TF335, but I guess I'm just being paranoid about the injury and I'm afraid it might have been partially due to the racquet somehow.

Anyways, it's still a great racquet, but I'm pretty happy with what I'm using now. And I think I might like the K90 better anyways.
 

NoBadMojo

G.O.A.T.
I just can't see recommending 25 year old discontinued frames, especially to someone who has never used it before. Why not just play-test the dozens of readily available frames?
excellent post. there are many really good choices in racquets out there TODAY with all kinds of specs.

old discontined frames? they are just that..old and discontinued..for good reasons

if they have a remake of them, they dont play like the originals anyway. if you find one which was original chances are it has been fatigued for a while and just doesnt play well ..at least doesnt play as intended when new
 

Pushmaster

Hall of Fame
BB11 Mid.

BTW, I bought two PT280's back in the mid-90's. Played with one of them for 10 minutes and immediately sold both of them the following day. They felt like crap as compared to the Max 200G I used at the time. They felt "tinny", too light, unstable and anything but solid as compared to my Max 200G. Funny, as compared to today's modern racquets, the PT280 is now described as "solid", "smooth", "sweet feel", etc. I'd bet I'd probably feel the same way as others do now if I played with them again. That just goes to show how bad racquets have gotten over the past decade or so.
I bought a PT 280 back when TW was selling them for $59. Same as you BP, I hit with it for 10 minutes and quickly got rid of it. Couldn't get any stick on my volleys with it, couldn't feel the ball on the strings with it, even with VS gut. I'm not knocking anyone who likes them, just wasn't for me.
 

netman

Hall of Fame
Any player's frame from the 80's. Regardless of the BS spewed forth on these forums, anything made in the 80's can not hold a candle to current technology. Anyone who states otherwise has not advanced their game since the 80's. I love the Pro Staff 85. Particularly the St. Vincent version. Its a wonderful frame for playing against 3.0 rated players in today's game. But even the greatest player since Bill Tilden (that would be the Mighty Fed) abandoned it for the K series of frames long ago.

I played in the 80's and yes the 80's frames have wonderful touch and feel. But not against the rocket shots that come off today's racquets strung with high tech co-polys. For goodness sake, grow up.

-k-
 

bossass

Rookie
Any player's frame from the 80's. Regardless of the BS spewed forth on these forums, anything made in the 80's can not hold a candle to current technology. Anyone who states otherwise has not advanced their game since the 80's. I love the Pro Staff 85. Particularly the St. Vincent version. Its a wonderful frame for playing against 3.0 rated players in today's game. But even the greatest player since Bill Tilden (that would be the Mighty Fed) abandoned it for the K series of frames long ago.

I played in the 80's and yes the 80's frames have wonderful touch and feel. But not against the rocket shots that come off today's racquets strung with high tech co-polys. For goodness sake, grow up.

-k-
I wouldn't exactly call the K90 current technology. The K90 might as well have been made in 1985. It's got a really small head, weighs a damn ton, and you pretty much need to be a badass to play well with it. Really, it's not very much different from a PS85.

Grow up? To what? A Pure Drive? I own a pure drive and I play much better tennis with a POG, PC600, and a PT280. All frames from the apparently dreadful 80s. I can take the heat of any stupid APDC. Bring it.
 

RanchDressing

Hall of Fame
The AreoPro Drive Cortex.
So many chumps use it... i see people at the local courts running around with it and can barly keep the ball in. I thought i would be all alone with it but i was sorely wrong. Oh well. Ill just have to use my brute skill to be unique.
 

pmerk34

Legend
I wouldn't exactly call the K90 current technology. The K90 might as well have been made in 1985. It's got a really small head, weighs a damn ton, and you pretty much need to be a badass to play well with it. Really, it's not very much different from a PS85.

Grow up? To what? A Pure Drive? I own a pure drive and I play much better tennis with a POG, PC600, and a PT280. All frames from the apparently dreadful 80s. I can take the heat of any stupid APDC. Bring it.
The K90 isn't just a paint job of 1985 technology.
 

pmerk34

Legend
I wouldn't exactly call the K90 current technology. The K90 might as well have been made in 1985. It's got a really small head, weighs a damn ton, and you pretty much need to be a badass to play well with it. Really, it's not very much different from a PS85.

Grow up? To what? A Pure Drive? I own a pure drive and I play much better tennis with a POG, PC600, and a PT280. All frames from the apparently dreadful 80s. I can take the heat of any stupid APDC. Bring it.

The point is that almost all pros and and all promising juniors have moved on to newer technology racquets and strings to keep up with the way the game is played now. They are the current and future stars of tennis. Not posters on this board who play with old frames.
 
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tennis_hand

Hall of Fame
Wilson k6.1 tour. buy this and you can play like federer! :D
haha. i've seen some players use it in some tournaments.
but the funny thing is, these players are never the winners. Sometimes got stuffed some bagels.

instead it is those that use bigger rackets or even some with Head radical OS who win.

These people really damage Fed's reputation of using such a bad racket! :D
 
K90 & Volkl dnx 10 mid. Especially the volkl, it has inadequate solidity & control.

But I disagree w/ the comments on the apdc. Its a spin machine & has a high degree of controlable power. Its a truely amazing racquet!
 
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ilian

Semi-Pro
No top ranked pro's bother with the 200g's anymore
You realize that no one will make them anymore, right? The moulds were destroyed since the technology is so expensive. It is only being used in badminton racquets, if I am not mistaken. The last pro that used those, switched in 2000. I played with the MAX 200G and I stand here to tell you that they produce a shot more solid than anything that's ever been made to this day. Heck, if they were still making them, I would have never switched. Any other racquet feels like hitting with a thin sheet metal, compared to the MAX 200G. If there was a way for me to have to guess what racquet was cheaply made and what was put money in, just by hitting with eyes closed, I would always know when I hit with the MAX 200G and bet on it. And it seems that this was the thruth, because the injection moulding was way more expensive than any other technology used for tennis racquets to this day. It seems that putting more money into something does yield better results...
 

Charlie_Boy

Semi-Pro
K90 and APDC.

APDC is a great racquet and all, but so many people use it simply because Rafa "uses" it *in quotations because he uses an APD*.

K90 is so ****ing heavy, and it's funny seeing people who can't handle the weight and the small sweet spot of it.
 

GasquetGOAT

Hall of Fame
Yes Nadal's racquet is the most overrated. All the 14 year olds using these flashy yellow APDCs trying emulate Nadal, it's ridiculous.
 

bossass

Rookie
The K90 isn't just a paint job of 1985 technology.
You're kidding right? 90" head, Graphite(sorry Karophite :roll: )/Kevlar, PWS. What exactly about the K90 is new technology? Nothing is the right answer. You could paint this thing black and write "Prostaff 6.0 MidPlus" on it and have Marty McFly bring it back to 1985 and it would fit in the Wilson lineup like it had always been there.

Not every Junior is hitting with a Pure Drive. I see plenty of HS teams in my area with a pretty big Head Prestige (usually MP) following.
 

pmerk34

Legend
You're kidding right? 90" head, Graphite(sorry Karophite :roll: )/Kevlar, PWS. What exactly about the K90 is new technology? Nothing is the right answer. You could paint this thing black and write "Prostaff 6.0 MidPlus" on it and have Marty McFly bring it back to 1985 and it would fit in the Wilson lineup like it had always been there.

Not every Junior is hitting with a Pure Drive. I see plenty of HS teams in my area with a pretty big Head Prestige (usually MP) following.
There are differences it you are interested I could email them to you offline.
 

NoBadMojo

G.O.A.T.
You realize that no one will make them anymore, right? The moulds were destroyed since the technology is so expensive. It is only being used in badminton racquets, if I am not mistaken. The last pro that used those, switched in 2000. I played with the MAX 200G and I stand here to tell you that they produce a shot more solid than anything that's ever been made to this day. Heck, if they were still making them, I would have never switched. Any other racquet feels like hitting with a thin sheet metal, compared to the MAX 200G. If there was a way for me to have to guess what racquet was cheaply made and what was put money in, just by hitting with eyes closed, I would always know when I hit with the MAX 200G and bet on it. And it seems that this was the thruth, because the injection moulding was way more expensive than any other technology used for tennis racquets to this day. It seems that putting more money into something does yield better results...
Actually the 200g was about the least expensive composite racquet you could buy back then, so doubt the technology was more expensive..more like the technology didnt work as these frames were incredibly weak..they warped in the stringing machines sometimes or warped just by existing and big hitters were breaking these all the time. that's prob the reason why they went away. we jokingly called them the first disposable racquet and wondered if tennis shoes lasted longer than the 200g ;)
 

pfchang

Professional
let's put it this way.

the top three players don't actually use what the real retail versions are so there you go.
 

NoBadMojo

G.O.A.T.
I would say the k90 is easily the most overrated players racquet by a good margin. they took the piece of kludge known as the n90, made it stiffer and adjusted the string pattern in the opposite way that thoughtful string layouts are done <in order to get some power>, and inflicted it on the consumer knowing the consumer will buy anything they think that Fed uses..not to mention that 90 headsized frames are obsolete, and have been for some while.
 

jorel

Hall of Fame
i feel the 6.0 85 is incredibley overrated..... the only reason it is so popular is because soo many top pros won so many grandslams with it,.,,it was great for baseliners as well as serve and vollyers... a racquet so versatile just proves that it is not good at anything... no racquet can be great at everything... it says nothing about how well it performs... and given the fact that two of the greatest of all time (Samp and Fed) used the 6.0 85 at some point also points to the fact that the racquet is just overated...
 

bossass

Rookie
There are differences it you are interested I could email them to you offline.
Nah, that's ok, I don't care that much. I know there are subtle differences, but Wilson didn't do anything with the K90 they couldn't have done in 1980. I wouldn't call the K90 an evolution of the PS85 (aside from headsize) so much as a variation. Aside from the paintjob, the K90 is the most outdated frame for sale currently.

I don't even know how this arguement got started. Someone said all frames from the 80s were over-rated and I called BS. I really only had the Head PC600 and PT280/630 in mind when I said this. Because both these frame are still very much relevant.
 

NoBadMojo

G.O.A.T.
Nah, that's ok, I don't care that much. I know there are subtle differences, but Wilson didn't do anything with the K90 they couldn't have done in 1980. I wouldn't call the K90 an evolution of the PS85 (aside from headsize) so much as a variation. Aside from the paintjob, the K90 is the most outdated frame for sale currently.

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the differences in racquets since 'the good ole days' is HUGE. todays graphite is much lighter, stronger, and more powerful, more resistent to fatigue, etc
 
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netman

Hall of Fame
I don't even know how this arguement got started. Someone said all frames from the 80s were over-rated and I called BS. I really only had the Head PC600 and PT280/630 in mind when I said this. Because both these frame are still very much relevant.
I was the one that stated they were over-rated IN TODAY'S GAME. The last 3 words got dropped in the backlash responses. As NBM pointed out, the advances in materials technology since the 80's is huge. I think what everybody likes about the old frames is the soft flex and very high weight, which is the combo you want. Makes for nice balance of power and comfort. High weight and high stiffness combines for a very unpleasant hitting experience in my book, which is what you get when you lead up a lot of today's racquets.
 
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