Most Overrated WTA Player On This Board

[jamesblakefan#1]

That post was published well before I created this thread. There were too much undermining other TIER 1 great players and that's why it all started. Stop trolling and stick to the discussion.

What are you talking about? This all seems to be in your head, just go to the poll "Greatest female tennis player of all time" and you'll see that you are wrong about "so many undermining" Tier 1 greats.

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=300707

Even in this poll someone like Henin, who has less slams than Serena, has nearly as many votes as her, talk about overrated.

Only major league Serenatards rate Serena even in the top 5, and most readily acknowledge her shortcomings but still respect that's she's still top 5 in the most important stat, slam titles. But they also point to how things like lack of weeks @ #1, lack of YE #1s, not as many titles, etc blemish her record. In any case, making a thread calling Serena the most overrated is just immature and dumb. If anyone's overrated it's Kim 2 slams Clijsters, who you along w/ others were ready to have dominate the women's game again (as if she ever did before) and get rid of Serena once and for all. Sorry, that hasn't happened so far.

In conclusion, most place her in the 5-10 range of all time greats, and at the very least top 15 all time.

 

[TMF]

Tier I greats get ripped apart on this forum. And this post came from a thread that was created BEFORE this one, which is an instigator. Notice Serena is on the list, so you didn't see anyone crying for HATER!

Who do you believe are the 5 most overrated players on this forum among the men and women each. Here would be mine in order:

Men-

1. Rios- what is the fascination with this particular player who yeah had some talent but was the ultimate headcase and whose biggest achievement was briefly being a bogus #1 in 1 of the 2 worst years ever for mens tennis.

2. Federer- how can you be one of the greatest ever and overrated? Be referred to by most as the undisputed GOAT when this is far from the truth, and basically have countless excuses made for all your losses.

3. Safin- great player but so far from the god many make him out to be.

4. Nalbandian- an unofficial TW god with only 1 fluke slam final to show for his career.

5. Gulbis- there are some who actually think this kid is ever going to do something big.


Women:

1. Graf- Gunther Parche thank you very much. Still a top 4 or 5 player all time but not the female GOAT it seems most believe she is.

2. Henin- truly great player but it is a joke so many think she is greater to Serena who has almost twice the slams and beats her in almost every achievement there is. Greatest of this generation on clay for sure, greatest ahead of Serena overall, no way.

3. Clijsters- it seems everyone just loves her and talks about her as if she is the favorite to win each event she is in, yet she has fewer slams at this moment than Sharapova or Capriati.

4. Dementieva- why does everyone keep expecting her to win something big?

5. Sharapova- the next big thing in womens tennis? Hardly, more like the most accomplished of the whipping girls for the Williams sisters, especialy Serena. No matter how much Mary Joe and ESPN wanted her to become the next hero of womens tennis it never came to fruition. I also read a list by a yahoo blog writer a couple months back that rated her #3 of the decade over Venus!?! That alone is more than enough for inclusion.

 

[Cyan]

Henin......

 

[jamesblakefan#1]

Tier I greats get ripped apart on this forum. And this post came from a thread that was created BEFORE this one, which is an instigator. Notice Serena is on the list, so you didn't see anyone crying for HATER!

Like someone already said, you made a thread saying the exact same thing about Graf.

I would say 16 GS because Seles is younger and a better player. Not only she was so dominant during the time she was stabbed, but she was only 19 yrs old.

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=289492

You're a joke.

 

[TMF]

Like someone already said, you made a thread saying the exact same thing about Graf.



http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=289492

You're a joke.

Predict a non-stab Seles at 19 could have won 16 GS in her is not attacking a player. Many have predicted Borg could have won more many more slams had he not retire early. That’s nothing wrong either.

Nick picking certain quote in an attempt to make someone falsely look bad. LOL

 

[davey25]

Posters in here like Davey25 claimed she's among all time great is ludricrous and totally disrespect the great Graf or Martina.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2010/07/04/1542353/williams-moving-up-chart-of-tennis.html

Williams moving up chart of tennis' all-time greats
By Greg Bishop

WIMBLEDON, England For all the unpredictability at Wimbledon in women's singles, for the seeds fallen and the contenders crushed, the tournament ended as most had predicted it would.

It concluded with Serena Williams hoisting another trophy, delivering another barrage of aces and taking another step forward among tennis' all-time greats. It ended 6-3, 6-2 against Vera Zvonareva on Saturday, in a little more than an hour.

Williams captured her second consecutive Wimbledon title and fourth overall. It was also her 13th Grand Slam singles title, which moved her into sixth all-time in women's tennis, past Billie Jean King.

"This one's special," Williams said during an on-court interview, adding. "Hey, Billie. I got you."

After the match, Williams lingered on Centre Court at the All England Lawn Tennis Club.

This championship seemed to mean more than most.

Venus Williams lost in the quarterfinals, ensuring the sisters would not play in the final for the first time since 2007. They even dropped a doubles match.

But in singles, Serena Williams rarely found herself in danger. Over two weeks, she did not so much as drop a set.

She knocked out Maria Sharapova during the fourth round, avenging her loss in the 2004 final. She mostly dominated ninth seed Li Na, and crushed unseeded Petra Kvitova.

As the tournament unfolded, the story became less about Williams' tennis prowess and more about her serve.

The day before the final, she told reporters how her father, Richard, used to end practices by having her and Venus tune their serves. Serena said every time her father turned his back, the girls would start talking. When he turned back to the court, they would resume their serving.

Apparently, he watched the court enough, as evidenced by the nine aces Serena Williams hit Saturday, giving her a record 89 for the tournament, 17 more than she smacked last year. Williams broke Zvonareva's serve three times, yet never faced break point herself.

While Zvonareva had secured her first Grand Slam final appearance, her No.21 seeding was somewhat misleading. As recently as February 2009, Zvonareva had a top-five world ranking, and she beat several seeded players during these two weeks, including No.15 Yanina Wickmayer, No. 4 Jelena Jankovic and No. 8 Kim Clijsters en route to the semifinals.

Zvonareva will return to the top 10 this week, at No.9, which offered little in way of consolation Saturday.

"Maybe I was not able to show my best today," she said. "Serena just didn't allow me to show my best. She was playing really well."

So where does Williams rank among the best women's tennis players through the years?

Margaret Smith Court leads the way with 24 major titles, followed by Steffi Graf with 22, Helen Wills Moody with 19, and Martina Navratilova and Chris Evert with 18 apiece.

"Top five," answered Navratilova, without hesitation. "It's not just about how many Slams you win or how many tournaments you win - it's just your game overall. And she's definitely got all the goods. It would have been fun to play her, but at the same time, I'm glad that I didn't have to."

So who is more qualified to determine whether Serena is one of the greatest players of all time. TMF or the great Martina Navratilova herself. Hmmmm.

 

[Tanya]

OMG IT'S GOING TO BE ANOTHER SERENA VS. SELES THREAD

nice try TMF but this thread is one giant

crawl back into your cave now.

 

[THUNDERVOLLEY]

So who is more qualified to determine whether Serena is one of the greatest players of all time. TMF or the great Martina Navratilova herself. Hmmmm.

Yes, it is all so funny; a certain troll spends her life making daily attacks against one of the best players with nonsense, while this same member celebrates others who are nowhere near that status in many catagories.

 

[sondraj]

This place is insane only here could a player win 12 grand slams, behind only those players considered the very best to ever play the game and be considered overrated but a player like Wozniacki comes along wins nothing of any great importance, beats no one of any great importance and be considered the future of woman's tennis. All the hate in the world isn't going to take away from Serena's or anyone else you hate achievements. :-?

 

[vortex1]

This place is insane only here could a player win 12 grand slams, behind only those players considered the very best to ever play the game and be considered overrated but a player like Wozniacki comes along wins nothing of any great importance, beats no one of any great importance and be considered the future of woman's tennis. All the hate in the world isn't going to take away from Serena's or anyone else you hate achievements. :-?

Nobody sane is considering Wozniacki the future of female tennis.

 

[TomatoSoup]

To dear Miss Troll TMF,if Serena with 13 slams is considered as overrated,I really don't know how to judge Henin,Clijsters,Venus,Sharapova,Wozniacki,Jankovic and the rest of the tour.

This is old news. You do not like Serena,we get it. What else? Now taking a cheap shot at Serena by diminishing her achievements? That's cheap. Trying to claim her as overrated when she hasn't even received as much recognition as she ought to for her achievements? That's even cheaper and to a new low.

 

[THUNDERVOLLEY]

To dear Miss Troll TMF,if Serena with 13 slams is considered as overrated,I really don't know how to judge Henin,Clijsters,Venus,Sharapova,Wozniacki,Jankovic and the rest of the tour.

This is old news. You do not like Serena,we get it. What else? Now taking a cheap shot at Serena by diminishing her achievements? That's cheap. Trying to claim her as overrated when she hasn't even received as much recognition as she ought to for her achievements? That's even cheaper and to a new low.

I wonder if she will wait until the return of her TT "get Serena" partner to post more trash about Serena....

 

[WChiang]

I just saw this thread and spit out my coffee! The funniest thing is that the OP actually spent the time to create this topic. Creepy obsession TMF...just creepy. Get some fresh air.

 

[cucio]

Ivanovic. She is not that hot as people here make her to be.

 

[TMF]

To dear Miss Troll TMF,if Serena with 13 slams is considered as overrated,I really don't know how to judge Henin,Clijsters,Venus,Sharapova,Wozniacki,Jankovic and the rest of the tour.

This is old news. You do not like Serena,we get it. What else? Now taking a cheap shot at Serena by diminishing her achievements? That's cheap. Trying to claim her as overrated when she hasn't even received as much recognition as she ought to for her achievements? That's even cheaper and to a new low.

What is your problem? I'm talking about Serena gets mention in the same breath with Martina, Chris and Graf which is misleading and disrespect to them. Winning one more slam doesn't put Serena in Tier I great. Anyone who continue to dispute this just further prove my point....Serena getting credit more than she deserve thus is overrrated!



Most GS titles
player total
1 Steffi Graf 22
2 Martina Navratilova 18
2 Chris Evert 18
4 Serena Williams 12
5 Margaret Court 11
6 Monica Seles 9
7 Billie Jean King 8
8 Justine Henin 7
8 Evonne Goolagong Cawley 7
8 Venus Williams 7

Most GS finals
Rank Name Total
1 Chris Evert 34 (18 )
2 Martina Navrátilová 32 (18 )
3 Steffi Graf 31 (22)
4 Evonne Goolagong 18 (7)
5 Serena Williams 15 (12)
6 Venus Williams 14 (7)
7 Monica Seles 13 (9)
8 Margaret Court 12 (11)
8 Martina Hingis 12 (5)
8 Billie Jean Moffitt 12 (8 )

Most weeks at #1
Rank Player weeks
1 Steffi Graf 377
2 Martina Navratilova 332
3 Chris Evert 260
4 Martina Hingis 209
5 Monica Seles 178
6 Justine Henin * 117
7 Lindsay Davenport 98
8 Serena Williams * 93
9 Amélie Mauresmo 39
10 Dinara Safina * 26

Consecutive weeks at #1
1 Steffi Graf (1) 186
2 Martina Navratilova (1) 156
3 Chris Evert (1) 113
4 Steffi Graf (2) 94
5 Monica Seles (1) 91
6 Martina Navratilova (2) 90
7 Steffi Graf (3) 87
8 Martina Hingis (1) 80
9 Chris Evert (2) 76
10 Martina Hingis (2) 73

Year end No. 1 players
player year
Steffi Graf 8
Martina Navratilova 7
Chris Evert 5
Lindsay Davenport 4
Justine Henin 3
Martina Hingis
Monica Seles
Serena Williams 2
Jelena Janković 1

All surface single winning percentage
Rank Player Wins Losses Win %
1 Margaret Court 593 56 91.37
2 Chris Evert 1309 146 89.97
3 Steffi Graf 902 115 88.69
4 Martina Navratilova 1442 219 86.82
5 Monica Seles 595 122 82.98
6 Serena Williams*[1] 462 98 82.5
7 Justine Henin* 503 109 82.18
8 Billie Jean King 695 155 81.76
9 Evonne Goolagong Cawley 704 165 81.01

Clay court singles career winning percentage
Rank Player Wins Losses Win %
1 Chris Evert 316 20 94.05
2 Steffi Graf 273 30 90.1
3 Justine Henin* 122 19 86.52
4 Monica Seles 142 25 85.03
5 Martina Hingis 109 25 81.34
6 Martina Navratilova 202 47 81.12
7 Gabriela Sabatini 196 49 80
8 Venus Williams* 127 35 78.4
9 Lindsay Davenport 120 35 77.42
10 Conchita Martinez 294 88 76.96

Hard court singles career winning percentage
Rank Player Wins Losses Win %
1 Steffi Graf 335 36 90.3
2 Chris Evert 304 37 89.15
3 Martina Navratilova 340 48 87.63
4 Monica Seles 311 59 84.05
5 Serena Williams* 294 57 83.76
6 Justine Henin* 243 53 82.09
7 Kim Clijsters* 256 56 82.05
8 Maria Sharapova* 197 45 81.01
9 Venus Williams* 320 76 80.81
10 Lindsay Davenport 472 115 80.41

Grass court singles career winning percentage
Rank Player Wins Losses Win %
1 Martina Navratilova 305 39 88.66
2 Chris Evert 184 25 88.04
3 Venus Williams* 68 10 87.18
4 Serena Williams* 52 8 86.67
5 Steffi Graf 85 15 85
6 Maria Sharapova* 52 10 83.87
7 Justine Henin* 45 10 81.82
8 Jana Novotna 79 21 79
9 Kim Clijsters* 40 11 78.43
10 Tracy Austin 43 12 78.18

Carpet court singles career winning percentage
Rank Player Wins Losses Win %
1 Martina Navratilova 516 58 89.9
2 Steffi Graf 189 23 89.2
3 Chris Evert 209 39 84.3
4 Serena Williams* 34 7 82.93
5 Martina Hingis 97 23 80.83
6 Kim Clijsters* 50 13 79.37
= Monica Seles 98 26 79.03
8 Lindsay Davenport 93 27 77.5
9 Tracy Austin 85 25 77.27
10 Venus Williams* 50 17 74.63

Most singles matches won
Player Wins
1 Martina Navratilova 1442
2 Chris Evert 1309
3 Steffi Graf 902
4 Virginia Wade 839
5 Arantxa Sánchez Vicario 759
6 Lindsay Davenport 753
7 Conchita Martínez 739
8 Evonne Goolagong Cawley[5] 704
9 Billie Jean King 695
10 Gabriela Sabatini 632

Most consecutive singles titles
1. 13 - Martina Navratilova (1984)
2. 12 - Margaret Court (1972-1973)
3. 11 - Steffi Graf (1989-1990)
4. 10 - Chris Evert (1974)
5. 9 - Martina Navratilova (1986)
5. 9 - Margaret Court (1970)
7. 8 - Steffi Graf (1988 )
7. 8 - Martina Navratilova (1983)

Best annual singles winning percentage
1 Martina Navratilova 98.9
2 Steffi Graf 97.7
3 Martina Navratilova 97.5
4 Steffi Graf 97.4
5 Martina Navratilova 96.8
6 Martina Navratilova 96.7
7 Steffi Graf 96
8 Margaret Court 95.3
9 Chris Evert 94.9
10 Margaret Court 94.8



Most consecutive years winning at least one singles title
1. 21 - Martina Navratilova (1974-1994)
2. 18 - Chris Evert (1971-1988 )
3. 14 - Steffi Graf (1986-1999)
4. 11 - Evonne Goolagong Cawley (1970-1980)
4. 11 - Virginia Wade (1968-1978 )
6. 9 - Sandra Cecchini (1984-1992)
6. 9 - Margaret Court (1968-1976)
6. 9 - Lindsay Davenport (1993-2001)
6. 9 - Conchita Martinez (1988-1996)
6. 9 - Arantxa Sanchez Vicario (1988-1996)

Most singles titles won in a year
1. 21 - Margaret Court (1970)
2. 18 - Margaret Court (1969, 1973)
3. 17 - Billie Jean King (1971)
4. 16 - Chris Evert (1974, 1975)
4. 16 - Martina Navratilova (1983)
6. 15 - Evonne Goolagong Cawley (1970)
6. 15 - Martina Navratilova (1982)
8. 14 - Margaret Court (1968 )
8. 14 - Steffi Graf (1989)
8. 14 - Martina Navratilova (1986)
11. 13 - Martina Navratilova (1984)
12. 12 - Chris Evert (1973, 1976)
12. 12 - Evonne Goolagong Cawley (1971)
12. 12 - Martina Navratilova (1985)
15. 11 - Tracy Austin (1980)
15. 11 - Chris Evert (1977)
15. 11 - Steffi Graf (1987, 1988 )
15. 11 - Martina Navratilova (1978, 1979)

 

[THUNDERVOLLEY]

I just saw this thread and spit out my coffee! The funniest thing is that the OP actually spent the time to create this topic. Creepy obsession TMF...just creepy. Get some fresh air.

Creepy...dangerous obsession....the works...

 

[TMF]

"Top five," answered Navratilova, without hesitation. "It's not just about how many Slams you win or how many tournaments you win - it's just your game overall. And she's definitely got all the goods. It would have been fun to play her, but at the same time, I'm glad that I didn't have to."

So who is more qualified to determine whether Serena is one of the greatest players of all time. TMF or the great Martina Navratilova herself. Hmmmm.

Roger was getting the same praise after he won 2007 AO(his 10th GS). I'm sure you have different view to that.

 

[Tanya]

How many times are you going to post your little list of stats there, TMF?

Strange....it's almost as if that's all you can use you "support" your "argument".....

 

[charlottefromca]

Ivanovic. She is not that hot as people here make her to be.

she is hot when you look at her competition.. its all relative sir!

And LOL, it seems every WTA thread I click on is a Serena-Seles debate.. can't believe that last thread is heading onto 90+ pages..

 

[samboy01]

Chris Evert: "[Monica] then really got cheated out of a lot of Grand Slams. She was really dominating women's tennis, dominating Steffi Graf. As I said before, she won seven out of eight Grand Slams and then got stabbed and was out for 27 months. Her assailant got his wish, that Steffi Graf be Number One, and sure enough, Steffi regained the Number One position when Monica was out of the game. So he got his wish."

Dick Enberg: "Who knows how many titles she would own had she remained in full health?"

Chris Evert: "Well, a lot more than nine Grand Slams, I'll tell you that. That's so not fair, when you look at Steffi's 21 (22) and Monica's nine, it's very unbalanced, and it shouldn't be."

 

[davey25]

"Top five," answered Navratilova, without hesitation. "It's not just about how many Slams you win or how many tournaments you win - it's just your game overall. And she's definitely got all the goods. It would have been fun to play her, but at the same time, I'm glad that I didn't have to."

Roger was getting the same praise after he won 2007 AO(his 10th GS). I'm sure you have different view to that.

I have said Roger is IMHO not THE greatest ever but only an idiot would have denied he was an all time great already at the end of 2006. You dont even know the meaning of what an all time great is, evidenced by your blind insistence Serena is not one, when in reality there are some who even consider Venus and Henin who are obviously vastly inferior career wise to Serena as all time greats.

Anyway the great Navratilova herself calls Serena a top 5 player all time. And for all your stats findings, note especialy the part where she says: "It's not just about how many Slams you win or how many tournaments you win - it's just your game overall. And she's definitely got all the goods. It would have been fun to play her, but at the same time, I'm glad that I didn't have to." Graf and Evert have called Serena one of the greatest players to ever pick up a racquet and have said she could have gone toe to toe with any player in history as well. So really shut up and stop embarassing yourself already.

 

[Topaz]

How many times are you going to post your little list of stats there, TMF?

Strange....it's almost as if that's all you can use you "support" your "argument".....

Exactly...the same stats that TMF uses to 'debunk' Serena...actually support the case for her being one of the best ever (and most certainly of her generation). That some can't admit that even though they may not personally like her is a sign of immaturity. Not surprising in these parts, sadly.

 

[davey25]

Chris Evert: "[Monica] then really got cheated out of a lot of Grand Slams. She was really dominating women's tennis, dominating Steffi Graf. As I said before, she won seven out of eight Grand Slams and then got stabbed and was out for 27 months. Her assailant got his wish, that Steffi Graf be Number One, and sure enough, Steffi regained the Number One position when Monica was out of the game. So he got his wish."

Dick Enberg: "Who knows how many titles she would own had she remained in full health?"

Chris Evert: "Well, a lot more than nine Grand Slams, I'll tell you that. That's so not fair, when you look at Steffi's 21 (22) and Monica's nine, it's very unbalanced, and it shouldn't be."

WTF does this come from!?!? Nobody was even talking about Seles in this thread. Now you are taking your Seles obsession into non Seles threads too. Oh I get it since this thread is titled "most overrated WTA player" you assumed we were discussing Seles without even reading any of the thread. Oh I got you.
:lol:

 

[samboy01]

WTF does this come from!?!? Nobody was even talking about Seles in this thread. Now you are taking your Seles obsession into non Seles threads too. Oh I get it since this thread is titled "most overrated WTA player" you assumed we were discussing Seles without even reading any of the thread. Oh I got you.
:lol:

Obviously my answer was Steffi Parche.

 

[thalivest]

Obviously my answer was Steffi Parche.

Graf's achievements before the stabbing:

-Calendar Slam, 1 of only 3 women to do it, something Navratilova and Evert even failed to do in their primes.

-11 Grand Slam titles, making her then only the 7th women to reach double digit slams, something she managed at barely 22 when she won the 1991 Wimbledon title.

-Multiple titles at each of the 4 slams.

-a record 186 consecutive weeks at #1, eclipsing Martina's mark

-4 consecutive year end #1s.

-4 Wimbledon titles (though watch you now argue Graf should be made to forfeit the latter 2 since Seles missed Wimbledon and since Seles didnt grunt, LOL)

-over 70 tournament titles, placing her 4th all time.


Even in your twisted fantasy Seles wins the next 2000 slams Graf would still not be the most overrated player. We all know you are just looking to turn this non Seles related thread into an excuse to push your "Seles the real GOAT" campaign, just as TMF is using every thread to push his "Serena sucks" campaign.

 

[Tanya]

Obviously my answer was Steffi Parche.

Okay but the idea of the thread isn't to "name the most overrated player in the WTA" (blame TMF for its failure to properly name a thread)... it's TMF's attempt to belittle the career of Serena Williams.

 

[davey25]

Okay but the idea of the thread isn't to "name the most overrated player in the WTA" (blame TMF for its failure to properly name a thread)... it's TMF's attempt to belittle the career of Serena Williams.

TMF cant even title his own troll thread properly. If you start a troll thread atleast word it accurately so people know what the thread is about.

 

[TMF]

TMF cant even title his own troll thread properly. If you start a troll thread atleast word it accurately so people know what the thread is about.

WRONG!!!!

There are SerenaTards insist on putting Serena in the same breath as Martina, Chris and Graf. Ignore everything what they are head and shoulder above Serena in very categories.

 

[davey25]

WRONG!!!!

There are SerenaTards insist on putting Serena in the same breath as Martina, Chris and Graf. Ignore everything what they are head and shoulder above Serena in very categories.

Show the exact post where someone in this thread says point blank Serena is at the same level of Martina and Graf. In fact the closest to such a suggestion is Martina herself saying "It would have been fun to play her, but at the same time, I'm glad that I didn't have to".

Like I said you are blind to the meaning of what an "all time great" is. Even Venus and Henin are considered all time greats by many people, Serena passed that bridge a long time ago. Navratilova even calls Serena a top 5 player all time and says that her greatness goes beyond stats which you keep reposting (and which only still show Serena is an all time great), case closed.

 

[THUNDERVOLLEY]

Show the exact post where someone in this thread says point blank Serena is at the same level of Martina and Graf.

TMF will not even touch that, as her (and her sidekicks') bloodlust for Serena is the only motive for this troll thread, otherwise TrollMF would have raced to post exact quotes from members "overrating" Serena--claiming she is on the same or a superior level to Martina and Graf.

In fact the closest to such a suggestion is Martina herself saying "It would have been fun to play her, but at the same time, I'm glad that I didn't have to".

....which means, after all of the Martina quotes, TMF is obliged--by her own criteria for starting this thread--to accuse Martina of "overrating" Serena. Let's see if TMF sticks to her sinking ship of a thread and "call out" Martina.....

Like I said you are blind to the meaning of what an "all time great" is. Even Venus and Henin are considered all time greats by many people, Serena passed that bridge a long time ago. Navratilova even calls Serena a top 5 player all time and says that her greatness goes beyond stats which you keep reposting (and which only still show Serena is an all time great), case closed.

Indeed.

 

[TMF]

Show the exact post where someone in this thread says point blank Serena is at the same level of Martina and Graf. In fact the closest to such a suggestion is Martina herself saying "It would have been fun to play her, but at the same time, I'm glad that I didn't have to".

Like I said you are blind to the meaning of what an "all time great" is. Even Venus and Henin are considered all time greats by many people, Serena passed that bridge a long time ago. Navratilova even calls Serena a top 5 player all time and says that her greatness goes beyond stats which you keep reposting (and which only still show Serena is an all time great), case closed.

He insist Serena belong in the same Tier I great...

Serena is one of the greatest of all time period.

Here a classic example Ultra2HolyGrail trying to put Serena above the rest....

Let's face it. Most people pick graf because of her 22 slams. Any nit can come to that conclusion without ever watching tennis. The reason they don't pick moody, lenglen, court, is because they played in the stone age and are smart enough to realize if they voted for them it would be going against the majority vote of sheeple who pick graf solely on her 22GS's. They realize the level of tennis get's better with each generation and they will not pick a ancient artifact as a goat. But have no problems picking navratilova thinking she would be able to serve and volley in todays modern power game where serve and volleyers and one handed backhands are extinct(henin a exception) and destroy the likes of serena. Truely comical and hypocritical.

 

[Grass_for_cows]

Henin without a doubt.

 

[davey25]

Here a classic example Ultra2HolyGrail trying to put Serena above the rest....

Ultra2HolyGrail is probably the most clueless twat on TW. He is the same one who says Agassi has a way better forehand than Courier, that Capriati's best tennis was better than Graf's, that Capriati was better than Henin, and that Sabatini had a 29-11 head to head with Graf. This personals opinion is an extreme and clueless one and hardly reflective on other TW members other than himself.

 

[THUNDERVOLLEY]

He insist Serena belong in the same Tier I great...



Here a classic example Ultra2HolyGrail trying to put Serena above the rest....

As expected, not an overwhelming amount of evidence which would justify this meaningless thread.

 

[TMF]

Jon Werthem declared Serena is the "Best Ever".
Further proof as to why Serena is an overrated player.

 

[jt1224x0]

Jon Werthem declared Serena is the "Best Ever".
Further proof as to why Serena is an overrated player.

Hate her or love her, she is the best ever lol

 

[THUNDERVOLLEY]

Jon Werthem declared Serena is the "Best Ever".
Further proof as to why Serena is an overrated player.

Good Lord. You are so dense, that you even fail to meet the criteria of your own, damn thread, which is titled:

"Most Overrated WTA Player On This Board"

In case you missed it all in your bloodlust:

1. Sports Illustrated--specifically the publication's employees are not members of this board.

2. As a result of this galaxy-sized display of FAIL, you continue to come up short with any evidence which would justify this meaningless thread.

Thanks for playing, girl.

 

[Falloutjr]

It's gotta be Kimmy! I mean, what has she done? She's won ONE slam!

 

[soyizgood]

Henin gets my vote. "Henin will save the tour" was the motto the out-of-the-closet Jujutards were preaching for months.

 

[Topaz]

It's gotta be Kimmy! I mean, what has she done? She's won ONE slam!

You sure about that sparky? You don't want to do a recount?

 

[PSNELKE]

I still don´t get how anybody can be overrated with 13 Slams...

 

[jamesblakefan#1]

You sure about that sparky? You don't want to do a recount?

OK so she's won 2 slams. Still a few months back guys like TMF were trying to rate her above Serena.

 

[davey25]

Most overrated WTA player on this board is Monica "zero Wimbledons" Seles hands down. It is hilarious there are still people dumb enough to even try and argue she was ever on her way to being the greatest ever without the stabbing, or who think she is in even in the conversation with the real greats of the game today.

The runners up to Seles is Henin. Capriati is insanely overrated by ESPN and nearly everyone outside this board, but this board actually seems intelligent enough to rate her correctly- that is the worst player by far far, man or women, to win 3 slams.

 

[TMF]

OK so she's won 2 slams. Still a few months back guys like TMF were trying to rate her above Serena.

Again, making up stuff with your lies. I said it to Davey25 that if Henin win Wimby this year, she will earn a career slam and deserve to be in a discussion with Serena. You are so clueless!

 

[davey25]

Again, making up stuff with your lies. I said it to Davey25 that if Henin win Wimby this year, she will earn a career slam and deserve to be in a discussion with Serena. You are so clueless!

You said last fall with Kim back and after what happened at the U.S Open Serena would never win another slam. You also made many bold proclaimations that the Belgians were taking over the tour, that they were going to raise womens tennis to a new level, that they were saving the tour, etc...

 

[jamesblakefan#1]

Again, making up stuff with your lies. I said it to Davey25 that if Henin win Wimby this year, she will earn a career slam and deserve to be in a discussion with Serena. You are so clueless!

My post was about Clijsters, not Henin Einstein.

And yes you and your crew went on ad nauseum the start of this season about how the Belgians were back and Serena's days of winning slams against a 'weak field' would soon be over. Interesting how the supposed Belgians are back and made the field strong now, but when Serena kept winning the field went back to being 'weak'.

 

[jamesblakefan#1]

Does this bring you pain, TMF?

:lol:

 

[TMF]

^
So you guys are writing the belgians off when they haven't even play a full year before returning to the tour. Added to the fact the WS are the OLDEST players on the tour. We'll wait and see...I know you guys want them to lose.

PS: Atleast I don't wish any player to retire. LOL

 

[davey25]

The Olympic medalists in the "TW most overrated WTA player category":

The gold medalist representing the United States of America:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwdeBBzhdPA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sb7PdwIcvLo


The silver medalist representing Belgium:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ELTSQLJG5Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_gx3YQOPTw


The bronze medalist shared by about 7 different women- team Russia:

 

[jamesblakefan#1]

January.............

But they were playing against the depleted field. Since Kim and Justine is back, now we are talking!!!

Let see how accurate judgment we have on the sisters by the end of 2010. ha ha

I'm not comparing career wise. Of course the sisters achieved more since they played much more tennis than kim/justine. Given at this moment, I think the belgians are a better players and would beat the sisters. But too bad the they are in the opposite half and there's slightly chance for anyone of them to meet in the final.

Don't compare slam count. That's like saying Federer is right now 15x better than Del Potro since he won so many slams.

Judging from their current form right now, I would say Clijsters/Henin > Serena/Venus.