Move Up, Split Up Rule (Nationals)

JLyon

Hall of Fame
Seeing if someone can clarify, is it any team that plays Nationals? or Do you have to win your Sectional Qualifier?
Interesting result at Southern MXD, where Winning Team is ineligible to advance due to lack of players (bump ups off an ESL Team), so 2nd Place Team can go. Would the move up, Split Rule come into play if the 2nd Place team does indeed play at Nationals or also just because they could have advanced?

Never seen this dilemma before.
 

schmke

Legend
The language in the regulations is "advanced to or qualified for", so would seem to apply to both teams in this scenario.

2.06A(1): Move-Up - Teams and team members that advanced to, or qualified for, any National Championship may play together as a team, in whole or in part, if they move up one NTRP team level.

2.06A(2): Split-Up - No more than three (3) players who were on the roster of any team that advanced to, or qualified for, any National Championship team the previous year may play together in the same Division, same Age Group and at the same NTRP team level as the National Championship team(s), if their NTRP rating allows. Split-Up requirements only apply to players who participated in three (3) or more matches (including one default) for that team during the championship year.
 

OnTheLine

Hall of Fame
The language in the regulations is "advanced to or qualified for", so would seem to apply to both teams in this scenario.

2.06A(1): Move-Up - Teams and team members that advanced to, or qualified for, any National Championship may play together as a team, in whole or in part, if they move up one NTRP team level.

2.06A(2): Split-Up - No more than three (3) players who were on the roster of any team that advanced to, or qualified for, any National Championship team the previous year may play together in the same Division, same Age Group and at the same NTRP team level as the National Championship team(s), if their NTRP rating allows. Split-Up requirements only apply to players who participated in three (3) or more matches (including one default) for that team during the championship year.

It's the 2.06A(2) that is interesting ... the very good local team that played in 18+ Nationals and made it to semis ... every single one of them over 40 ... so they can be together in 40+ from Jan-March but not again at 18+ March - May. Granted, I expect them to have at least 4 players bumped up to 4.0 so it won't be as much of an issue.
 

JLyon

Hall of Fame
The language in the regulations is "advanced to or qualified for", so would seem to apply to both teams in this scenario.

2.06A(1): Move-Up - Teams and team members that advanced to, or qualified for, any National Championship may play together as a team, in whole or in part, if they move up one NTRP team level.

2.06A(2): Split-Up - No more than three (3) players who were on the roster of any team that advanced to, or qualified for, any National Championship team the previous year may play together in the same Division, same Age Group and at the same NTRP team level as the National Championship team(s), if their NTRP rating allows. Split-Up requirements only apply to players who participated in three (3) or more matches (including one default) for that team during the championship year.
will be interested in ruling if the 2nd place team also can not go to Nationals, which is very possible at this time.
 

leech

Semi-Pro
Seeing if someone can clarify, is it any team that plays Nationals? or Do you have to win your Sectional Qualifier?
Interesting result at Southern MXD, where Winning Team is ineligible to advance due to lack of players (bump ups off an ESL Team), so 2nd Place Team can go. Would the move up, Split Rule come into play if the 2nd Place team does indeed play at Nationals or also just because they could have advanced?

Never seen this dilemma before.

This happened in MidAtlantic for 40+ 8.0 in 2016. The winner of Sectionals could not field a team, so the finalist went to 40+ 8.0 Nationals. Players from both the team that qualified for and the team that actually advanced to Nationals were subject to the 3-player rule for 2017.
 
Heh. I was on the team that went. We got crushed because we could only bring 3 (injured) guys and 4 women. [emoji846]
This happened in MidAtlantic for 40+ 8.0 in 2016. The winner of Sectionals could not field a team, so the finalist went to 40+ 8.0 Nationals. Players from both the team that qualified for and the team that actually advanced to Nationals were subject to the 3-player rule for 2017.

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Vox Rationis

Professional
This happened in MidAtlantic for 40+ 8.0 in 2016. The winner of Sectionals could not field a team, so the finalist went to 40+ 8.0 Nationals. Players from both the team that qualified for and the team that actually advanced to Nationals were subject to the 3-player rule for 2017.
That rule basically destroyed relationships for the team that won that event at nationals. The following year when mixed came around, the drama closely followed as they tried to decide who would play on what team.
 
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JLyon

Hall of Fame
This happened in MidAtlantic for 40+ 8.0 in 2016. The winner of Sectionals could not field a team, so the finalist went to 40+ 8.0 Nationals. Players from both the team that qualified for and the team that actually advanced to Nationals were subject to the 3-player rule for 2017.
Thanks, looks like will be having to shift teams for next year
 

OnTheLine

Hall of Fame
Okay so fun possibility .... in my district, there are two 3.5W teams that went to nationals. 18+ made it to semis ... the 40+ team this weekend in Texas. Two totally different rosters.

So providing that none of them get bumped up a level (ridiculously unlikely) technically they could split up and create 2 teams in each age group where each new team would have 3 players from each nationals team (6 total per team) and then fill in with others.

That would technically follow the rule right?
 

schmke

Legend
Okay so fun possibility .... in my district, there are two 3.5W teams that went to nationals. 18+ made it to semis ... the 40+ team this weekend in Texas. Two totally different rosters.

So providing that none of them get bumped up a level (ridiculously unlikely) technically they could split up and create 2 teams in each age group where each new team would have 3 players from each nationals team (6 total per team) and then fill in with others.

That would technically follow the rule right?
That is my understanding.

I think the rule for one year made it apply to all divisions/age-groups so what you describe couldn't happen, but there were a few situations where I think a mens and womens team from the same club went to Nationals at the same level, and the more restrictive rule meant it was nearly impossible for the players to form Mixed teams the following year. For example, say 15 players on each roster so 30 players. What would normally perhaps be two Mixed teams from the group of players now would have to be 10(!) as only 3 of any combination of the players could be on the same team.
 

J011yroger

Talk Tennis Guru
Any updates on this?

Also, if you are a national player, the rules say it's only at your level but I thought it was all levels below too.

For example if an 8.0 team went to nationals they couldn't have 4 of their 4.0s on a 7.0 team.

J
 

JLyon

Hall of Fame
Any updates on this?

Also, if you are a national player, the rules say it's only at your level but I thought it was all levels below too.

For example if an 8.0 team went to nationals they couldn't have 4 of their 4.0s on a 7.0 team.

J
my 8.0 40's team got the invite to Nationals when GA declined, but not sure they are 100% going or not yet.
 
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