Moya says the problem in Madrid was the salt

cknobman

Legend
Without the Tirac fiasco Federer would not be #2 period, also at the time Novak was winning every single thing in sight while Federer was only winning lesser tournaments besides WTF. Furthermore, Federer complained about back problems and dropped out of a tournament as well.

Why do you make stupid posts like this??????

So Fed was not winning big tournaments outside of WTF?????? Did he not win Indian Wells? Guess that does not count since it does not support your argument :rolleyes:

Tiriac has nothing to do with Federer being number 2. It has to do with Federer winning 4 freaking tournaments this year (2 -500 events and 2 -1000 events) and Nadal only winning 2 while losing points at others he crashed out early in.

Nadal had the exact same chances and odds as Federer did in every single tournament only difference is he has not performed as well.
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
Without the Tirac fiasco Federer would not be #2 period, also at the time Novak was winning every single thing in sight while Federer was only winning lesser tournaments besides WTF. Furthermore, Federer complained about back problems and dropped out of a tournament as well.

As predicted the only way Federer was going to make it to #2 at all was by accident. Kinda like Federer and the FO, Soderling was given the hand of god for 2 years and then was gone, bit of a freak accident.

Fed already bagged in all the indoors + WTF last year, and Rotterda + Dubai before you announced that Nole is likely to win 8 straight slams than Roger being seeded at #2.

There's no luck in winning...Fed was the better player when he won all of those events. Going into Madrid Fed was the underdog behind Nadal and Nole despite the clay was blue. However Roger managed to win and it just prove you have underestimated Roger and foolishly claiming Nole has a much better shot at winning 8 straight slams.
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
Why do you make stupid posts like this??????

So Fed was not winning big tournaments outside of WTF?????? Did he not win Indian Wells? Guess that does not count since it does not support your argument :rolleyes:

Tiriac has nothing to do with Federer being number 2. It has to do with Federer winning 4 freaking tournaments this year (2 -500 events and 2 -1000 events) and Nadal only winning 2 while losing points at others he crashed out early in.

Nadal had the exact same chances and odds as Federer did in every single tournament only difference is he has not performed as well.

Excluding indoor, Nadal has a better chance of winning than Roger at any event, but what's Nadal chance is far greater than Nole winning 8 straight slams?

Unbelieveable !!
 

jackson vile

G.O.A.T.
Fed already bagged in all the indoors + WTF last year, and Rotterda + Dubai before you announced that Nole is likely to win 8 straight slams than Roger being seeded at #2.

There's no luck in winning...Fed was the better player when he won all of those events. Going into Madrid Fed was the underdog behind Nadal and Nole despite the clay was blue. However Roger managed to win and it just prove you have underestimated Roger and foolishly claiming Nole has a much better shot at winning 8 straight slams.

If the court fiasco did not happen Nadal, Novak and other players would not have been out so early. There would not be as large of a point difference, and it would have been more difficult for Federer.

I am not questioning Federer's win, so stop being naive or is that just a display of your lack of intelligence?
 

cknobman

Legend
If Nadal, Novak and other players would have adapted to court conditions in Madrid better they would not have been out so early. There would not be as large of a point difference, and it would have been more difficult for Federer.

There I fixed your post so it made logical sense.
 

jackson vile

G.O.A.T.
There I fixed your post so it made logical sense.

So why did he not adapt, why did he whine????

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Again...
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Again he whined that is was not fair
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Again, throwing a total fit right on court
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Again, again, again, again...

Where was the attitude that "you should adapt"? Kinda easy to say that when the court was tailor made for you, and to help you with your ranking.
 

cknobman

Legend
So why did he not adapt, why did he whine????

What you think posting pictures of grand slams Federer did not win proves something about his inability to adapt????

Take your pills dude. Everyone loses E V E R Y O N E.

Difference is while some may get upset (which is perfectly natural) Djoker and Nadal just happened to publicly state if the court is not made to their liking they wont play. Dont think anyone else has said that before especially Federer.
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
If the court fiasco did not happen Nadal, Novak and other players would not have been out so early. There would not be as large of a point difference, and it would have been more difficult for Federer.

I am not questioning Federer's win, so stop being naive or is that just a display of your lack of intelligence?

I don't care about your excuses. Both Fed and Nadal are neck and neck in chasing for #2 at RG. That doesn't add up to Novak is more likely to win 8 straight slams than Roger claim the #2 spot.
 

drakulie

Talk Tennis Guru
Carlos Moya explains what happened with the Madrid courts. The problem, he says, was salt. I don't have time to translate the whole thing, just give you the gist of what he says.

http://deportes.elpais.com/deportes/2012/05/16/actualidad/1337192663_765218.html

Moya says during the first three editions of the tournament there had been some problems with the courts as well. Because of this, they wanted to make an extra effort to ensure there would not be any problems the first time on blue clay.

They opened the courts to the public several months before the tournament so people would come, walk on them and play on them. They also had an agreement with the Madrid federation so that local schools would come and use the courts. Moya says he himself tried the courts several times. He played with Pato Clavet and other players, and says they didn’t notice anything unusual except that the the bounce was a bit lower than on the red clay. He says Javi Martí (ranked 174) also tried the courts several times and never had any complaints. Moya played on them for the last time on 3 May before leaving for a senior tournament in Medellín (Colombia). He didn’t notice anything strange. Then, from Medellín, he spoke with some on the players already in Madrid, including Rafa, who told him the courts were unplayable. He thought maybe he was exaggerating, but there were other players telling him the same thing.

When he came back to Madrid on May 8 he went straight from the airport to the courts to see what the matter was, and he was amazed to discover that the courts had become something completely different from what he had tested. “I couldn’t believe it. It was impossible to get any traction on them and I had seldom seen a clay court in such slippery condition.”

After much wondering and trying to figure out what had happened, the team that built the courts suspected the problem was the salt. He says they use salt also at Roland Garros and many other tournaments, to preserve the humidity of the clay and give it a more uniform color. With the water and the high heat in Madrid that week, the salt “crystalized” into an unbreakeable film on top of the surface, making it very slippery. This was discovered too late, and showed that what may work in Paris doesn’t necessarily work in Madrid.

Goes on to say that the Madrid altitude, plus the lower bounce on this kind of clay, combined with the courts becoming a “skating rink”, was a "lethal combination" for the defensive players and they all thought Federer was the favorite, as it turned out.

He says it’s a pity all these unforeseen developments ended up creating a rift between Nadal and the tournament, and says it’s not to late to try to mend things. Says next year should be okay because the courts are going to stay on the entire year etc. That’s assuming the ATP allows the blue to continue.


GOOGLE TRANSLATOR:

Nadal is allergic to salt.
 

Murrayfan31

Hall of Fame
Translation. The court didn't suit Nadal's game. Thus, the court has to be fixed to give Nadal that high bounce. Hope Tiriac doesn't let Moya have too much say on the courts.
 

vive le beau jeu !

Talk Tennis Guru
a little effort for ******/madbull

GOOGLE TRANSLATOR:

Nadal is allergic to salt.
ladies'n'gentlemen, the nadal won again in his new attempt to bully the tennis authorities (for the sake of the poor tennis players of the world, of course): the madrid masters 1000 has been erased from the tour, and the evil ion tiriac was sent to jail (before the incarceration of the romanian war criminal, the humble nadal asked to be personnaly allowed to humiliate him by shaving his moustache in order to satisfy his revenge thurst).

let me introduce to you the new salar de uyuni masters 1000 open ! :)

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Nb: only the lines will be painted in blue...
(for the sky, we couldn't do much... but the nadal can still play on mars if he wants... actually, we would prefer this solution, despite the regretable contamination of a 2nd planet in the solar system)
 
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