MSV Swift
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g4driver
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Now if we can get @TierOneSportsOfficial to send 1.22/ 1.27mm Ghostwire, 1.25/1.30mm Firewire, and 1.23mm / 1.27 mm Black Knight to racketpedia
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I am still on the Ghostwire bandwagon and I like the ride.
So Swift is not Cream afterall? Looks like control and tension maintenance is actually better than Cream despite being similar in comfort level. That's the one thing I don't like about Cream is that it's too launchy. Can someone compare Swift and Ghost Wire in a characteristic column? GW is my current cross string of choice but I'd like to try out Swift.
g4driver
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If anyone thinks they can tell a difference with Swift or Cream based on those numbers in a chart more power to them.
If you like GW, and don't like Cream's launch angle, realize Swift's DNA is a sibling to Cream and merely a friend to GW.
Cream and Swift strings are like comparing Sargento Vermont White Cheddar Cheese to Cabot Vermont White Cheddar Cheese. GW is closer to Pepperjack.
TennisJrDad
Professional
T1 has not submitted any strings (including GW) to RP for testing and inclusion in their database. It is unfortunate, as it would be interesting to see how they compare from a numbers basis.
g4driver
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One down. One to go.
@TennisJrDad got one of those screenshots I promised just a few mins ago.
So sticking with my theory 99% of players can't tell the difference between Cream and Swift. The other 1% of players read this forum and would pick out those two strings based on color, but not playability.
dyslexical-scope
Rookie
A little tangential but I figure this is probably the best place to ask
How do you feel Swift/Cream compares to Yonex Poly Tour Air?
Is there any significant difference or are they pretty much interchangeable?
I recent strung up a racquet with a full bed of YPTA at 54lbs on both mains and crosses and I've enjoyed it immensely
Only concern is I'm eating through the strings faster than I expected
I'd love basically the same string but in a thicker gauge!
How do you feel Swift/Cream compares to Yonex Poly Tour Air?
Is there any significant difference or are they pretty much interchangeable?
I recent strung up a racquet with a full bed of YPTA at 54lbs on both mains and crosses and I've enjoyed it immensely
Only concern is I'm eating through the strings faster than I expected
I'd love basically the same string but in a thicker gauge!
g4driver
Legend
These are the gauges available:
Cream 1.23mm < Swift or YPTA 1.25mm < Cream 1.28mm < Swift 1.30mm
Thicker strings last longer.
Pretty much interchangeable in the same gauge.. Will Cream 1.28mm outlast YPTA 1.25mm? Maybe. Maybe not.
Use Swift 1:30mm or switch to a frame with a denser pattern.
dyslexical-scope
Rookie
g4driver
Legend
Multiple posters on this forum know I string a lot of crosses with GW, particularly with edged or rough mains. I've pretty much kept YTPA and Cream with smooth multis, polys, multiyesters, and Natural Gut and used GW for the edged and rough polys.
@TennisJrDad this is the guy I was going to use for Tour Hex / GW but after chatting with you, he told me his elbow was bugging him and he wanted something a bit softer so I'm using him as a Swift cross playtester instead.
This weekend one 4.5C guy using HG 1.25mm / GW 1.22mm for the past two years, asked for something a bit softer. When changing variables I tend to minimize changes and only change one variable at a time. So normally I would have swapped HG for HGS and kept the GW, but I was curious how Swift would hold up to HG or HGS mains, so I strung two Blade 98 v8 16x19 with HGS 1.25mm / Swift 1.25mm. Like many, I've heard and read time and time again, the mains give 80% of the feel and performance of the strings, so HGS would have been enough of a change to give him what he wanted. But changing the crosses gets me what I wanted: A 4.5C playtester putting Swift through the gauntlet of edged strings with a 4.5 player.
He gave me permission to change both strings instead of just the mains. I told him this would be a free setup, but he insists on paying. Will see what he thinks. If he doesn't like it, he knows it comes with a 100% refund on stings and labor, and I will switch him to HGS/GW.
If his elbow is happy with HGS / Swift and the strings last him 15 hours or so, I'll ask him to try Tour Hex / Swift next.
@TennisJrDad this is the guy I was going to use for Tour Hex / GW but after chatting with you, he told me his elbow was bugging him and he wanted something a bit softer so I'm using him as a Swift cross playtester instead.
This weekend one 4.5C guy using HG 1.25mm / GW 1.22mm for the past two years, asked for something a bit softer. When changing variables I tend to minimize changes and only change one variable at a time. So normally I would have swapped HG for HGS and kept the GW, but I was curious how Swift would hold up to HG or HGS mains, so I strung two Blade 98 v8 16x19 with HGS 1.25mm / Swift 1.25mm. Like many, I've heard and read time and time again, the mains give 80% of the feel and performance of the strings, so HGS would have been enough of a change to give him what he wanted. But changing the crosses gets me what I wanted: A 4.5C playtester putting Swift through the gauntlet of edged strings with a 4.5 player.
He gave me permission to change both strings instead of just the mains. I told him this would be a free setup, but he insists on paying. Will see what he thinks. If he doesn't like it, he knows it comes with a 100% refund on stings and labor, and I will switch him to HGS/GW.
If his elbow is happy with HGS / Swift and the strings last him 15 hours or so, I'll ask him to try Tour Hex / Swift next.
Bumping this for others interested....
Still playing with Hyper G mains, and Swift crosses.
Its lasting me approx 12 hours of play. The last hour, things get a bit bouncy, and I can tell its nearly time. But the first 10ish hours are really beautiful. Crips. Consistent. Fantastic tension maintenance. Very, very consistent from hit to hit, which is my fav thing about this combo.
Plenty of access to spin, some decent touch around the net. No complaints on the price of this hybrid either. Haven't seen a Swift reel available or else I'd buy one.
I find this combo crisper than a hybrid with GhostWire. So for anyone who likes ghost but was wanting a bit more "livley-ness" from the string bed...this is for you.
Still playing with Hyper G mains, and Swift crosses.
Its lasting me approx 12 hours of play. The last hour, things get a bit bouncy, and I can tell its nearly time. But the first 10ish hours are really beautiful. Crips. Consistent. Fantastic tension maintenance. Very, very consistent from hit to hit, which is my fav thing about this combo.
Plenty of access to spin, some decent touch around the net. No complaints on the price of this hybrid either. Haven't seen a Swift reel available or else I'd buy one.
I find this combo crisper than a hybrid with GhostWire. So for anyone who likes ghost but was wanting a bit more "livley-ness" from the string bed...this is for you.
g4driver
Legend
They are available in Europe. Hopefully, TW will start carrying reels soon.
If anyone cares, here is an update from my June 13th post #60 above where I changed the strings from HG 1.25mm Mains/ GW 1.22mm Crosses to HGS 1:25mm Mains / Swift 1.25mm Crosses.
I picked up two of those Blade 98 V8 16x19 frames yesterday and strung them this morning. The 4.5C client had broken the 1.25 Swift crosses in one of them, when he had always broken the 1.25mm HG mains with 122mm GW crosses. It's telling he is now breaking the slightly thicker 1.25mm Swift crosses and not the same gauge 1.25mm softer HGS mains.
Think about this: the softer rubber-infused cross broke compared to when he never broke GW crosses with stiffer HG mains. I found this interesting. So for two years, the guy breaks HG mains with GW crosses. When I put a softer HG Soft main and softer cross, he snapped the softer crosses, and not the HGS mains. Swift is softer than GW to my elbow and my fingers when stringing both of them. And now, I have a client who is snapping those Swift Crosses.
@PFG1, that's the great thing about strings. Two different players can hit with the same string and feel different things. To me, I find YPTA, Cream, or Swift all much more muted when compared to GW. Swift feels exactly like Cream to my elbow. GW and Swift are both nice crosses for folks looking for a softer round cross, but IMO Technifibre X1 (crisp) is to GW (crisp), as Babolat XCEL (very muted) is to Swift (soft and muted).
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legcramp
Professional
Interesting feedback on GW vs Swift, I had the total opposite experience where Swift had more feel/feedback/firmness compared to ghostwire crosses in my speed mps, I got rid of my GW reel due to that reason and that it was too gummy/powerful.
I use low tension though so maybe the characteristics change if I string higher, 22kg mains/20kg crosses is what I use with grapplesnake game changer in the mains.
I agree with you about how the strings felt while on the stringer though, but did you hit with them?
I use low tension though so maybe the characteristics change if I string higher, 22kg mains/20kg crosses is what I use with grapplesnake game changer in the mains.
I agree with you about how the strings felt while on the stringer though, but did you hit with them?
g4driver
Legend
If you are asking me, yes I tried as a cross with 1.25mm HGS mains as a direct comparison to HGS 1.25mm / GW 1.22mm.
Could I hit with again? Yes.. but Swift is softer than GW. Do I prefer GW crosses? Yes
Agree with you on feedback and firmness. Swift has more than GW, when used as a cross with a shaped poly main.
ZDragonBall
New User
What tension and racquet did you use? Thinking of the same setup on my whiteout with VS Touch.
If anyone thinks they can tell a difference with Swift or Cream based on those numbers in a chart more power to them.
If you like GW, and don't like Cream's launch angle, realize Swift's DNA is a sibling to Cream and merely a friend to GW.
Cream and Swift strings are like comparing Sargento Vermont White Cheddar Cheese to Cabot Vermont White Cheddar Cheese. GW is closer to Pepperjack.
Does this mean you would also recommend to use swift as cross (just like cream) with smooth multi and polys? Such as Triax and Velocity? Thanks!
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g4driver
Legend
Simple answer: I find Cream and Swift to be nearly identical. If you don't break the Triax or Velocity mains quickly, both Cream and Swift work well for those clients.
If you still interested in why I wrote the above keep reading. I fly for a living and don't always have time to read and answer, but I try to answer when I can. Hope this helps you.
@TennisJrDad posted some charts with "characteristics" on post #49 of this thread. Look at a TW review of string, frame, shoe, or whatever. You might have two or four playtesters and they all give their "score", other than lab data, I suspect Racketpedia "scores" playtests similarly but I haven't found any mention on their website of how they "score". Lab data from either TW, Racketpedia, or the USRSA is a helpful starting point for me as a stringer. Many times the lab data conflicts between these websites. So, IMO, there is only one thing better than hitting with a string in the same frame you normally use at the same tension, minimizing all variables except the string, and that is having high-level players hit with those strings and give their feedback and a frame with broken strings back to me. I'll come back to this in the link below.
The fact I have numerous clients who are willing to playtest strings for me and give me their feedback makes my recommendations better for not only those clients but others. Accordingly, I offer a 100% money-back guarantee on any string I recommend and stock, including Babolat VS Gut or Lux Gut mains with 1.27mm GW crosses. I don't offer that same guarantee with Cream, Swift, or YPTA. or any shaped/rough crosses. Two Strings I stock but don't recommend: Solinco Vanquish, Wilson Sensation. There are so many better options.
There are some strings I refuse to stock and a few strings I stock that come with the disclaimer "I don't recommend and my 100% money back guarantee doesn't apply to Solinco Vanquish and Wilson Sensation" When clients want what they want, I will give them multis they want.
Here is a post you may find helpful. @LOBALOT strings on a Ghost 2 and I string on the original Ghost. There are many posters on this forum who've never strung a frame in their life and never hit with strings they recommend. Such is the nature of a forum. Then there are posters with clients who give these stringers / MRTs years of data based on a client/stringer business history.
Will Shelley, is one such client for me. See post #76 and my answer to @LOBALOT
My answer is based on a client who breaks strings frequently. It is a fact ATBE a softer string will break before a stiffer stringer. Will has repeatedly broken Cream 1.28mm mains much faster than 1.27mm Ghostwire mains
What IS the deal with Klip?
@TW Staff Thank you for the update and additional information. I am curious, do they ever explain "why" they keep pushing the date back or do they just keep shifting into the future? I would find it interesting to know why other manufactures seem to be able to source materials and produce...
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Thx for g4driver's answer. I tried Triax/Swift 52/50.
My current Setup is Triax/GhostWire 52/50 with Prince Phantom 100x 305. Triax/Swift is no doubt softer and more powerful, however, I feel Triax/GhostWire have more control and spin, and I feel Triax/GhostWire gives me more connection with the ball, so I prefer Triax/Ghostwire more.
Thx for g4driver's answer anyway, I learned Ghostwire from you as well!
My current Setup is Triax/GhostWire 52/50 with Prince Phantom 100x 305. Triax/Swift is no doubt softer and more powerful, however, I feel Triax/GhostWire have more control and spin, and I feel Triax/GhostWire gives me more connection with the ball, so I prefer Triax/Ghostwire more.
Thx for g4driver's answer anyway, I learned Ghostwire from you as well!
Regarding durability, didn't you find that the triax/swift combo lasts longer?
I rarely break strings in 20hrs (I restring every 20 hrs hitting) so maybe I am not the best one to ask. However, the only time I broke a string, I broke the Isospeed cream in a Triax/Cream setup. (I have strung maybe 20 Triax/Cream and 10 Triax/GW)
SlowTiger
Professional
What gauge if cream were you using?
SlowTiger
Professional
So you're telling me 1.30 swift is the way to go
g4driver
Legend
1.27mm GW will outlast them all, including 1.30mm Swift
If used as mains, yes. If used as crosses with a multi or a multiester, ghostwire saws the mains much faster than swift. At least that's my experience.
g4driver
Legend
For almost all players, that is true. My post #79 wasn't clear at all. Thanks for calling me out on that. If used as a main, GW in 1.27/1.22 will last longer before breaking than a similar gauge 1.28/1.23Cream, YPTA, or 1.30/1.25mm Swift.
I explained what was happening in post #76 of the "What is the deal with Klip" thread, which I referenced in post #72 above with the link to that thread/post.
What IS the deal with Klip?
@TW Staff Thank you for the update and additional information. I am curious, do they ever explain "why" they keep pushing the date back or do they just keep shifting into the future? I would find it interesting to know why other manufactures seem to be able to source materials and produce...
tt.tennis-warehouse.com
You know I've strung and hit with GW since the Hyper G Soft playtest ended, and I've strung hundreds of frames with GW as a cross, Cream and Yonex Poly Tour Air as crosses. I"ve read comments from two posters recently who write that GW is softer than Cream and Swift. Two things tell me that isn't accurate: 1) lab data and 2) client breakage of those strings.
Here's my theory on your clients breaking Velocity Mains with GW Cross and Velocity Main and Cream sticking out of place:
GW is stiffer than Cream and is sawing into the 1.35mm Velocity mains as the Velocity slides back and forth across the GW crosses until Velocity snaps. Cream on the other hand isn't as stiff and it has a vast amount of elastomer which one can feel when stringing it. That elastomer (rubber) certainly doesn't make Cream or Swift (which is nearly identical to Cream in feel, play, and breakage) more slick than GW. Lab data might show Cream with a Cof of xxx, but when that rubber encounters another multifilament, Cream wears off the coating of the main string, Velocity and the mains begin to stick out of place.
When Velocity slides across Cream, the coating on Velocity wears off against the Cream crosses, and the Velocity sticks out of place just like a typical syn gut or multifilament.
To summarize: IMO GW is both stiffer and slicker than Cream and Swift. Having 4.0 and 4.5 clients who typically break main strings, not crosses, and who will play two identical setups with only one variable changed until they break a string gives a stringer more perspective than simply one player (myself) hitting with a setup. When other clients experience the same thing I experience, it makes my job easier as a stringer.
I've been down the road with GW / Cream in the mains with YPTA crosses and with NG main and GW and Cream crosses and string frames based on my theory that GW is stiffer than Cream / Swift. When Will Shelley, a 4.5C rated USTA player and the guy behind my Kobayashi Maur String Scenario thread breaks 1.28mm Cream mains 2X to 3X faster than 1.27mm Ghostwire, that's all the data I need. Will has been using GW 1.27mm Mains with YPTA 1.25m crosses since the spring of 2023 now, due to the much more frequent breakage of Triax 1.38mm / YPTA 1.25mm when he switched to the Ezone 100 frames. He was breaking Triax 1.38mm mains in roughly 8 hours and it became too expensive. But he broke Cream mains even faster than 1.38mm Triax. So I tried GW 1.27 mains which last him the longest of those three stings all using YPTA crosses.
Kobayashi Maru String Scenario
The player breaks the Hyper G Mains of a Hyper G 1.30mm/1.25mm Head Hawk set up in his Ai 98 in 12 hours, he now has a serious elbow injury and wants to keep playing but you can't use "poly" or Kelvar. Can you find him a solution with these restrictions: 1) the setup lasts at least 10 hours 2)...
As an experiment, you can try YPTA and Swift crosses with Velocity mains. My guess is Swift will do the same and YPTA to a lesser extent.
My .02 on the guy using 1.35mm Velocity is to simply switch his mains to 1.30mm Lux Gut with 1.27mm GW crosses. He won't break the NG mains nearly as quickly, and the setup will be less expensive than breaking Velocity / GW.
I use 1.35mm VS Gut/1.27mm for several 4.0 male clients and it lasts them roughly 90 days before than break the gut.
Hope my comments makes sense. I think there is a Cream / Swift / YPTA thread and this should be posted there, but I have to catch a flight this am, so thanks again for the Klip NG deal. I owe you!!!
You have my cell and I have yours. We can chat about it privately.
GW is stiffer and slicker than Cream, YPTA, and Swift which are all elastomer(rubber)-infused polys and yes like you posted, GW will saw a softer main quicker than softer rubber-infused cross will. The key is to find a combo that provides playability without breaking the main or the cross too quickly. For players who frequently break mains but don't want a poly main, using something like Triax 1.38 mm or HDMX 1.35mm mains with a cross like Cream, Swift of YPTA will last longer than the same setup with GW as a cross.
When a player (Will) started breaking 1.38mm Triax multiylester with an elastomer-infused cross like YPTA, Cream, or Swift, in 6- 8 hours when he switched to a more powerful Yonex Ezone 100, his "no poly" rule went out the window, hence his move from Triax 1.28mm mains to GW 1.27mm mains. I keep the same YPTA crosses, to minimize his changes.
No two players are identical, but there are things a stringer can do to get the most life from a setup when the stringer knows his client. I stock Cream, Swift, YPTA, and GW. IMO, Swift, and Cream are completely interchangeable other than one is white and one cream. When you start putting shaped or rough poly mains with Cream/YPTA/Swift, the overwhelming majority of clients will break those softer crosses first, and that's why I suggest GW to clients using those type mains. When you put GW in those setups, most clients will break the mains first. That's my experience as a stringer. However, when stringing multi or multiylester mains, I have suggested and used Cream/YPTA crosses for years, going back to before I first created the Kobayashi Maru String Scenario thread.
For some players, it's a race to see what breaks first, a softer multi or multiylester main or a softer rubber-infused cross. For @robycat 1.28mm Triax / 1.28 mm Cream setup, he snapped the Cream cross first. For Will, he was snapping 1.38mm Triax mains in about 12-13 hours like clockwork for years, then he switched frames and he started snapping 1.38mm Triax around the 8 hour mark and it the setup became too expensive for him and too much time for me since I am a professional pilot and string when home. I don't want to string every day on my days off away flying, so do my best to create setups that last clients while giving them the performance they want without giving them TE.
jalapeno74
Rookie
Curious to try Swift - just ordered a reel. My usual combination of Kirschbaum SynGut (1,25mm) in the mains and MSV Hex +38 (1,15mm) in the crosses is breaking too fast nowadays.
Probably due to hot weather conditions and clay courts I dont get past 2 hours and that is a bit annoying.
Will see if Swift prolongs life of the stringbed and if my arm will like it. As of now, MSV +38 is the ONLY poly my arm hasn't rejected in a hybrid setup for the last 12 months
Probably due to hot weather conditions and clay courts I dont get past 2 hours and that is a bit annoying.
Will see if Swift prolongs life of the stringbed and if my arm will like it. As of now, MSV +38 is the ONLY poly my arm hasn't rejected in a hybrid setup for the last 12 months
Happi
Hall of Fame
Have you tried +38 in a full bed or with multis main ? I have some Babolat syn gut and +38 black 1.15 so I could try your combo, at what tension do you string.
Is Swift softer than +38 (1.15) ?
g4driver
Legend
Two things:
1) your thi!n 1.15 hexagon shaped poly MSV +38 is sawing into your thin 1.25mm syn gut like a hot knife into butter. Ditch the shaped poly for a smooth poly within .05mm of the main
2) Kirschbaum Sun Gut 1.30mm / and a smooth soft copoly like YPTA, 1.28mm Cream or 1.25 or 1.30mm Swift will last you 5X longer easily
jalapeno74
Rookie
Dont know if Swift is softer than the +38.... we will see
I usually string my Babolat PST at 24kg mains and 22kgs crosses - when I use my VCP97D I use 22kg for the mains and 21kg for the crosses
Tried the +38 in full bed today but didn't really like it. My arm is giving me some minor messages and the feel was awkward
jalapeno74
Rookie
I know, that's why I'd rather use a smooth poly cross. But like I said, every other poly (including Lynx, Head Sonic and some others) I tried didn't work for my arm.
I really hope that Swift or maybe Cyberflash Soft can solve this. Cream is only available in thick sizes here and I dont care for those
Happi
Hall of Fame
Cyberflash and Cyberblue are both very arm friendly, CF is crisp and CB muted in feel.
Maybe you are right. I never thought about durability before because I almost never break strings. Just recently I watched one Youtube video showing the crazy snapback of Restring Zero, I started to check the snapback of my Triax.
I think fresh Triax has an excellent snapback. But after ~10 hrs hitting with Triax/GW, I think the Triax main lost most of its snapback, not sure if it is because of the saw.
I only played 3hrs with my Triax/Swift setup. I might report back when that happens to the setup. Currently the Triax main still have an excellent snapback.
Happi
Hall of Fame
Interesting - Do you have a link to that video. Multies with best snapback in Multifeel Black.
jalapeno74
Rookie
Had my first session with Swift (as a cross) today.
The good: My arm is not protesting
The bad: Lack of spin & feel compared to MSV Hex +38
Dunno if it is the size difference (1,25 SWIFT vs 1,15 MSV) that is creating the gap or if it the strings themselves.
But no big deal, hitting session was still okay - had to change my mechanics a little bit and then it worked quite well. We will see how it evolves over the next weeks.
Great to find another poly that is doable for me though
The good: My arm is not protesting
The bad: Lack of spin & feel compared to MSV Hex +38
Dunno if it is the size difference (1,25 SWIFT vs 1,15 MSV) that is creating the gap or if it the strings themselves.
But no big deal, hitting session was still okay - had to change my mechanics a little bit and then it worked quite well. We will see how it evolves over the next weeks.
Great to find another poly that is doable for me though
Any update on this example?
g4driver
Legend
He seems to love the 1.25mm HGS / 1.25mm Swift setup and snaps the Swift crosses. So not sure, I can get him to give that setup up. He was using 1.25mm HG/ 1.22mm GW and snapped the HG but it took a while and the dead HG started to hurt his elbow.
Still trying to get the Tour Hex 1.23mm into the mix. Hoping this fall after our mixed and combo championships are over, I can get Tour Hex 1.23mm / GW 1.22mm and Tour Hex 1.23mm and Swift 1.25mm in several frames
So for all those who think I refuse to use Swift with edged or rough polys, that just isn't true. Just have the right client.
legcramp
Professional
Had my first session with Swift (as a cross) today.
The good: My arm is not protesting
The bad: Lack of spin & feel compared to MSV Hex +38
Dunno if it is the size difference (1,25 SWIFT vs 1,15 MSV) that is creating the gap or if it the strings themselves.
But no big deal, hitting session was still okay - had to change my mechanics a little bit and then it worked quite well. We will see how it evolves over the next weeks.
Great to find another poly that is doable for me though
I felt the same way with Swift in full bed compared to my usual strings ( Grapplesnake Game Changer / Volkl Cyclone Tour ) but I love Swift in the crosses with either of these strings though. I also have a set of Hex +38 I didn't string up yet but I am going to guess it's going to play and feel extremely similar to Cyclone Tour just looking at the specs/measurements but it comes in a nice white color and 40% cheaper per reel.
JOSHL
Hall of Fame
If you get tour hex do me a favor and also try hit pro, fantastic string.
LOBALOT
Legend
If anyone thinks they can tell a difference with Swift or Cream based on those numbers in a chart more power to them.
If you like GW, and don't like Cream's launch angle, realize Swift's DNA is a sibling to Cream and merely a friend to GW.
Cream and Swift strings are like comparing Sargento Vermont White Cheddar Cheese to Cabot Vermont White Cheddar Cheese. GW is closer to Pepperjack.
Some great cheeses!!!!
Man you are making me hungry and anticipating some crackers and cheese at cocktail hour!
Seriously, I was checking out Swift today and still don't get why they don't offer it in 17G yet given the potential as a cross string.
I know there are some theories in this group that Swift is the same string (family) as Cream. I've used it as a cross with another poly (ALU) as a main and I've seen no sign of the peeling people have reported with Cream. I don't think they are the same. As for hybrid with ALU, it played great initially with great feel. Swift cut into ALU too much to be useful for long. That being said, I'd like to try Swift in a full bed. I personally have not been impressed with the slick poly cross with spin friendly poly main concept. The nice snapback quickly results in short playability duration.
If 17g=1.25 mm, then it is available, at least in Europe.
I think it's labelled as 16L in Europe. 1.25 though
