Multifilament has no place in the tour for good reason.

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Multifilament I believe is, for lack of better word, late to the pro tour. Why? Multi is pretty much cheaper natural gut, but higher quality than synthetic gut. However (most) pros can afford the real natural gut, which is superior to multi, however could we see multi come on tour?

Poly: 1

Multi: 0
 

haegger

Semi-Pro
Multifilament I believe is, for lack of better word, late to the pro tour. Why? Multi is pretty much cheaper natural gut, but higher quality than synthetic gut. However (most) pros can afford the real natural gut, which is superior to multi, however could we see multi come on tour?

Poly: 1

Multi: 0

Good point!
 

moon shot

Hall of Fame
Dan Evans last I heard.

I would suspect there is a fair number of wta or atp players outside the top 100 who string it in a hybrid.
 
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uk_skippy

Hall of Fame
Gilles Simon and Naomi Osaka are two who come to mind who use multi in hybrid setups.

Osaka was on gut, moved from Rexis

Last I heard Simon was onto poly/gut and away from Intellitour

Dan Evans last I heard.

I would suspect there is a fair number of wta or atp players outside the top 100 who string it in a hybrid.

Dan is now on gut, has been since at least last Grass season

Of the men in the top 300, I can recall only 2 of those using a multi, Kyle Edmund and Jay Clarke.

There's probably double that in womens top 200
 
Osaka was on gut, moved from Rexis

Last I heard Simon was onto poly/gut and away from Intellitour



Dan is now on gut, has been since at least last Grass season

Of the men in the top 300, I can recall only 2 of those using a multi, Kyle Edmund and Jay Clarke.

There's probably double that in womens top 200

Would you say that there's a place for multis on tour anymore?
 

Yoneyama

Hall of Fame
Osaka was on gut, moved from Rexis

Last I heard Simon was onto poly/gut and away from Intellitour



Dan is now on gut, has been since at least last Grass season

Of the men in the top 300, I can recall only 2 of those using a multi, Kyle Edmund and Jay Clarke.

There's probably double that in womens top 200

Interesting thanks. I think natural gut is the 'natural' progression from a multi. For me, it does everything a multi does but better, so makes sense to see some changes from the pros.
 

Rabbit

G.O.A.T.
That’s new for Venus. She used to use full alu power @ 51lbs

I thought the sequence went: Venus & Serena both used full gut. They found out Federer used a hybrid, mistakenly 4g and not ALU rough, and both went to that. I've never heard of Venus using full ALU. She may have changed her crosses, but can anyone verify she used an all-poly at any time? @uk_skippy
 

uk_skippy

Hall of Fame
That’s new for Venus. She used to use full alu power @ 51lbs

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I thought the sequence went: Venus & Serena both used full gut. They found out Federer used a hybrid, mistakenly 4g and not ALU rough, and both went to that. I've never heard of Venus using full ALU. She may have changed her crosses, but can anyone verify she used an all-poly at any time? @uk_skippy

Not sure about the Federer thing @Rabbit but I wouldnt dismiss it either; its plausible.

Both Serena & Venus moved from full gut to gut/4g. Venus then change to ALU Power on the crosses. Last information I have is gut/ ALU P from Wimby '19 But I can ask a friend about AUS '20.

Now Venus, may have used all ALU Power to test; but it was never a permanent thing. She only changed from 4g to ALU Power last year
 

Nicholo

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Not sure about the Federer thing @Rabbit but I wouldnt dismiss it either; its plausible.

Both Serena & Venus moved from full gut to gut/4g. Venus then change to ALU Power on the crosses. Last information I have is gut/ ALU P from Wimby '19 But I can ask a friend about AUS '20.

Now Venus, may have used all ALU Power to test; but it was never a permanent thing. She only changed from 4g to ALU Power last year

She used full ALU Power at the US open last year. Dunno what she doing now.
Source: my eyes in the Wilson stringers room
 

uk_skippy

Hall of Fame
She used full ALU Power at the US open last year. Dunno what she doing now.
Source: my eyes in the Wilson stringers room

Thanks. Got confirmation that she also used that at AUS. So basically the change from gut/ALU P to full ALU P is since Wimby last year. Before then she was always using gut either in full or later with a hybrid.
 

Crozzer95

Hall of Fame
Osaka was on gut, moved from Rexis

Last I heard Simon was onto poly/gut and away from Intellitour



Dan is now on gut, has been since at least last Grass season

Of the men in the top 300, I can recall only 2 of those using a multi, Kyle Edmund and Jay Clarke.

There's probably double that in womens top 200

Jay has since moved to Alu/Gut.
 

aaron_h27

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never thought I'd never see the day where a WS was using full poly. Wonder why though, feel like she needs the power since her movement has declined
 
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Deleted member 768841

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never thought I'd never see the day where a WS was using full poly. Wonder why though, feel like she needs the power since her movement has declined
I’d imagine the racquet tech/changes if they are changing would require them to use lower powered strings, I’d love to know if Serena is using a really old blade or something.
 

aaron_h27

Hall of Fame
I’d imagine the racquet tech/changes if they are changing would require them to use lower powered strings, I’d love to know if Serena is using a really old blade or something.

Nothing has changed about rackets in the last 15-20 years or so, its personal preference. Serena still uses gut mains and so does Fed, Djok, Kerber, etc...im just wondering why someone on her team thought full poly would be a good fit for Venus considering how she plays.
 

Nicholo

Rookie
Nothing has changed about rackets in the last 15-20 years or so, its personal preference. Serena still uses gut mains and so does Fed, Djok, Kerber, etc...im just wondering why someone on her team thought full poly would be a good fit for Venus considering how she plays.
I was surprised to see it too. Maybe it’s something she does when she’s feeling injured (in her legs).
 

speedysteve

Legend
Laura Siegmund used(s) RS New York - multifilament, and RS poly Lyon hybrid.
New York is pretty pricey! I'm tempted (but er no..).
 
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Well, multifilament string is meant to mimic natural gut in its play-ability but not be as expensive so that ordinary people can get something that is close to gut without the expense. Pros livelihoods depend on optimum equipment and it is a tool to help them earn their living.
The ones that use the multifilament strings may have grown up using them and are used to them and don't want to change.
 

ron schaap

Hall of Fame
Well, multifilament string is meant to mimic natural gut in its play-ability but not be as expensive so that ordinary people can get something that is close to gut without the expense. Pros livelihoods depend on optimum equipment and it is a tool to help them earn their living.
The ones that use the multifilament strings may have grown up using them and are used to them and don't want to change.
I dont think a good multi is inepensive at all. Furthermore it hinders the snapback of a poly in a hybrid stringjob. Furthermore it isnt durable at all, nor is gut. Sgut is much better cross in a hybrid. Thats why pros generally dont use multi.
 

3virgul14

Rookie
Velocity is as good as many above average poly in tension maintenance , spin, snapback and durability, it is one of the softest string after guts ( 135lbs for 17 gauge) and i got the last 2 reels for 65 each.

It is also in the top 20 selling string list so probably too good to be true, Head will take it off the market I believe. Usually happens like that.
 

GreenClay

Rookie
I understand that guy/poly hybrids are superior to multi/poly.
I also understand that many pros want the spin that comes w full bed of poly.
They, after all, consistently produce racket head speeds to capitalize on poly.

But are there any benefits to full bed multi over full bed gut?
I, for one, seem to (impossible to be completely sure) get more spin out of some full bed multis (like Prince Premier Control) than full bed of gut.
 

wangs78

Legend
Multifilament definitely has a place in the overall tennis universe, but on tour where cost isn’t much of a concern, it’s hard for any multi to stand out versus natural gut on the one hand and poly on the other. I tend to agree that multi is not competitive as a main string, because natural gut (even a cheaper one) will have noticeably more comfort, feel and durability than a multi. And you can always cross natural gut with a poly to reduce power / increase the spin potential of the string setup.

Where I think multi has an opportunity is as a full bed setup. The string manufacturers can create a multi that has hybrid characteristics (e.g., a multifilament/gutlike core with a durable outer layer with poly characteristics). In fact, the string companies have already done this but I don’t think they’ve marketed these products the right way. Most people still look to an actual hybrid setup to get the best of both worlds. Not that many people will look to a string that was designed to have both qualities, for whatever reason. For me, I’ve played with Head Velocity which I felt was quite good in terms of feel, touch, power but it also had this thick outer layer that allowed the strings to slide to achieve the proverbial “snap back” for spin and at ~$10 a pack it’s a great “multi”, even though in my opinion it is quite different from traditional multi‘s such as NXT, NRG, X1, etc. bc it has some poly characteristics.

I do think NXT, NRG, X1, etc. having a place as a cross string that is strung with poly mains, as it wouldn’t make sense, even at the pro level, to use expensive natural gut as a cross string. It is the main string that contributes 80% of the feel/performance of the stringbed.
 

WarrenMP

Professional
I used to play with multis to understand the playability. I agree compared to natural gut in, which it is emulating, has no comparison. I can't think of a reason to use multi if you can afford natural. The problem with a multi is the way it frays. When it frays, it can cause a lack of movement in the string bed causing extreme inconsistency with your shots (unless you hit flat every time).
 

2nd Serve Ace

Hall of Fame
Expensive multis never made much sense to me. Better to either spend a bit more to get a VS tonic or klip L gut or go down and get a good performing H velocity or T multifeel.
 

puppybutts

Hall of Fame
Multifilament I believe is, for lack of better word, late to the pro tour. Why? Multi is pretty much cheaper natural gut, but higher quality than synthetic gut. However (most) pros can afford the real natural gut, which is superior to multi, however could we see multi come on tour?

Poly: 1

Multi: 0
kind of stating the obvious here....

anyway li na played with:
Pro hurricane mains at 68
Xcel crosses at 66

for awhile, I believe she played with a hybrid poly/multi setup all the way at least through her first slam win before changing
 

achapa8807

Semi-Pro
Pretty sure multi is alive and well on tour as is poly and gut and maybe even syn gut. We literally don't know unless we get specs from stringers or get images of their frames with these types of strings in them. Players are going to use whatever they feel most comfortable with using in matches - tension, string, string pattern, frames, weighting, shoes, clothes...you name it.
 

slipgrip93

Professional
There's also the animal and "spiritual" & "environmental" concern, whatever one wants to call it. As a set of gut "costs" two cows. Yes, a lot of it can come from cows already slaughtered for meat or otherwise. But there seems to be a faction with this concern that would rather stick to poly, syn ,or multi alternatives to gut.

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It’s almost like: I don’t eat meat and burgers but every match I play equals 8 dead animals. All that, for the sake of my feeling on-court.

— Stefanos Tsitsipas (@StefTsitsipas) November 5, 2020
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