Murray accomplished something none of the other top 4 achieved

I just finished watching the replay, and while it was great (because the competitors were equally matched) I definitely think it plays against those pushing for labeling this as the golden era.

Federer from 2004-2007 would have won that like 6-1, 6-3, 6-2. He would have made either of those guys look like fools.

Didn't gangly, teenage Murray beat Federer in 2006?
 
One of the greatest things about Andy Murray is that he has had to form himself as a player and a champion in the public eye. He's had tough losses, problems with technique and tactics, he DIDN'T win young, like Fed (22), Nadal (what, like 17/18?) and Novak (21), he's been there or thereabouts for a long time now, and he's worked and worked and finally found the extra belief and aggression to see him over the finish line. That's very, very inspiring to me.
 
I can't believe I'm sticking up for Federer here but he's the best hardcourt of all time and you're talking rubbish.

Another person that makes his opinion but doesn't back it up.

IMO, Federer is the best Indoor hard-court player of all time, normal hardcourts? This a question that has yet to have been answered for me. I simply said Djokovic was the better point-constructor on hardcourts. There's a difference. You however, are still in clinical depression since your boyhood idol has been injured for going on 3 months now. Stop acting bitter.
 
Last edited:
One of the greatest things about Andy Murray is that he has had to form himself as a player and a champion in the public eye. He's had tough losses, problems with technique and tactics, he DIDN'T win young, like Fed (22), Nadal (what, like 17/18?) and Novak (21), he's been there or thereabouts for a long time now, and he's worked and worked and finally found the extra belief and aggression to see him over the finish line. That's very, very inspiring to me.

Overcoming adversity. :) He's sic.
 
Another idiot that makes his opinion but doesn't back it up.

IMO, Federer is the best Indoor hard-court player of all time, normal hardcourts? This a question that has yet to have been answered for me. I simply said Djokovic was the better point-constructor on hardcourts. There's a difference. You however, are still in clinical depression since your boyhood idol has been injured for going on 3 months now. Stop acting bitter.

2. No personal attacks or abusive language is allowed. If you have a problem with someone, take it off Talk Tennis. Antagonistic behavior will not be tolerated. Debating issues and opinions is fine, but flaming and insulting won’t be tolerated.
 
That is an insignificant point! It matters not! If that actually mattered, would I have made this thread? It does not even come within the same radar as "still had to beat them in the semi finals" .. no one gets nervous in the semi finals, to beat the best you have to play YOUR BEST and to play your best UNDER PRESSURE, where nerves are jangling is not easy.

It counts for ******** in relation to this thread, absolute ********. The topic was BASED on WHO THEY HAVE BEATEN IN THE FINAL, IN THE FINAL, YES THE ACTUAL FINAL. You come in and make annoying remark about how it is not true and then say that is why? It is true. It's a fact. Semi final opponents do not stop it from being a fact and the statistic I was highlighting has no relevance to your pointless point which did not need to be said.

I dun agree.. and tone down.. your sounding like a *****
 
Nice. You dismiss me because I am female. That comment along with your cray cray outbursts in this thread prove a lot to me about the type of person you are. If that vein hasn't burst yet,then it is most certainly about to. Lol.

Vein??? was hoping for a heart attack instead.
 
I am simply trying to hail how difficult the job was for Murray. When these player's went onto take their first slams they had rookie's in the final to contend with.

Murray, Murray had the best player of all time and a player who I feel will prove to be the best player of all time on a hardcourt. (Non-indoor)

The first one is always the one that opens up the flood gates, when you break your duck it becomes that much easier mentally, granted you have the talent to sustain it.

Tone down and get a attitude check before u try discussiing anything to anyone otherwise it's pointless
 
Another person that makes his opinion but doesn't back it up.

IMO, Federer is the best Indoor hard-court player of all time, normal hardcourts? This a question that has yet to have been answered for me. I simply said Djokovic was the better point-constructor on hardcourts. There's a difference. You however, are still in clinical depression since your boyhood idol has been injured for going on 3 months now. Stop acting bitter.

Federer has won 5 US Open's and 4 Australian Open's on outdoor hardcourts plus Various Indian Wells, Miami, Canada and Cincy titles. It's not really up for debate, Federer is the best hardcourt player ever as it stands.
 
Federer has won 5 US Open's and 4 Australian Open's on outdoor hardcourts plus Various Indian Wells, Miami, Canada and Cincy titles. It's not really up for debate, Federer is the best hardcourt player ever as it stands.


IMO.. dun bother to try discussing anything with this poster.. his ego isn't open for discussing.. and to all readers, dun waste your time on this thread..OP ego just doesn't allow for any discussion
 
Federer has won 5 US Open's and 4 Australian Open's on outdoor hardcourts plus Various Indian Wells, Miami, Canada and Cincy titles. It's not really up for debate, Federer is the best hardcourt player ever as it stands.

Federer is 31 DJokovic is 25 ... Federer won the majority of those slams in a weaker era. Now you go....
 
He won his first slam, beating a player that had already won a slam. :)

To me, that is some feet.

Roger had philipousis.
Novak Tsonga
Nadal (Some rookie in the French)

Murray's had it so tough, every slam final it's either Roger or Novak.. Roger, arguably the best player ever and Novak, arguably the best hard-court point constructor ever.

Virtually every time he had reached a final in previous year's he's also had to get one of the top 4 in the semi finals, ofcourse that changed this year but once again a massive feet.

To sum it up I don't think anyone can ever say Andy Murray didn't deserve this slam, no lucky draws, injuries to top player's or anything. He battled and he battled and that inner strength is finally there with him now.

I was a little disappointed with his lack of a celebration, I feel he was too emotionally drained to celebrate to the level he probably felt like. The feeling was jus relief, massive weight off his shoulders now. Expect Novak and Andy to dominate the hardcourt slams now.

Batz has been saying this forever, Tennis_Maestro - stop nicking other people's ideas and turning them into your own threads.
 
Federer is 31 DJokovic is 25 ... Federer won the majority of those slams in a weaker era. Now you go....

He was backing up his statement, and I believe he did so pretty well, with facts. Do you have any facts to support your opinion?

As for this thread, perhaps it is true that Murray had to beat a multiple slam champion (in the final) where the others did not, but it is pretty meaningless overall.

Djokovic and Nadal have done much more impressive things in general. Nadal was able to break through and get a stranglehold on the French and prevent the possible GOAT from winning RG when the goat was in his prime (and when Nadal was very young). Djokovic was able to stop Nadal from creating an era all for himself in addition to getting by a still formidable Fed.

So yes, Murray had to beat a multiple slam champion to get his first slam, but it was someone from his own generation who has had a much better career so far. Djokovic grabbed an early opportunity (that he created by beating Fed in the semi's) and then grabbed his second slam against Murray years after his first. That final was an excellent opportunity for Murray against a one slam Djoker who was not brimming with slam confidence at the time. Murray got steamrolled.

Perhaps if you would read through the other posts that are similar to this, you would realize that no one is disagreeing with such an obvious fact, they are only questioning its importance.

Don't see anything impressive there. Sorry

Not many people do, but the op isn't going to give up. :)
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Federer is 31 DJokovic is 25 ... Federer won the majority of those slams in a weaker era. Now you go....

You're a joke, so what if Djokovic is 25 there is no guarantee he's going to catch Federer's hardcourt slam count as of now Federer is the best. Federer's era wasn't great but this era is a joke as well.
 
He was backing up his statement, and I believe he did so pretty well, with facts. Do you have any facts to support your opinion?

As for this thread, perhaps it is true that Murray had to beat a multiple slam champion (in the final) where the others did not, but it is pretty meaningless overall.

Djokovic and Nadal have done much more impressive things in general. Nadal was able to break through and get a stranglehold on the French and prevent the possible GOAT from winning RG when the goat was in his prime (and when Nadal was very young). Djokovic was able to stop Nadal from creating an era all for himself in addition to getting by a still formidable Fed.

So yes, Murray had to beat a multiple slam champion to get his first slam, but it was someone from his own generation who has had a much better career so far. Djokovic grabbed an early opportunity (that he created by beating Fed in the semi's) and then grabbed his second slam against Murray years after his first. That final was an excellent opportunity for Murray against a one slam Djoker who was not brimming with slam confidence at the time. Murray got steamrolled.

Perhaps if you would read through the other posts that are similar to this, you would realize that no one is disagreeing with such an obvious fact, they are only questioning its importance.



Not many people do, but the op isn't going to give up. :)


Good points. I'm a Murray fan but the fact is Novak and Andy are direct contempories (Murray a week older). Novak managed to get to a slam final against a non slam winner. Where was Andy that year? If his road was harder it's because he made it harder for himself. No excuses.

I'm over the moon he's got there at last and here's hoping he gets a few more.
 
LMFAO. Batz has never once said this. Batz is jus a huge Murray admirer, as am I. Nice try though. :)

No, really, Batz has been saying it for ages that Murray has been unfortunate in that he's not been afforded the same luxury of the Big Three in facing slamless opponents in GS finals.

Wait till he pops into this thread and he'll tell you himself.

Good ol' Batz.
 
Good points. I'm a Murray fan but the fact is Novak and Andy are direct contempories (Murray a week older). Novak managed to get to a slam final against a non slam winner. Where was Andy that year? If his road was harder it's because he made it harder for himself. No excuses.

I'm over the moon he's got there at last and here's hoping he gets a few more.

I'm happy for Murray as well and I am hoping that all of the top guys will get their acts together at the same time next year. A slam is a slam no matter how long it takes for you to get one.

Unfortunately, a new addition to the slam club means more ****s that actually have a leg to stand on. It is getting hot in here. :)
 
Tennis Maestro, just admit it, you don't know the difference between feat and feet, lol

That's quite a feat.
Bigfoot-tennis.jpg
 
He won his first slam, beating a player that had already won a slam. :)

To me, that is some feet.

Roger had philipousis.
Novak Tsonga
Nadal (Some rookie in the French)

Murray's had it so tough, every slam final it's either Roger or Novak.. Roger, arguably the best player ever and Novak, arguably the best hard-court point constructor ever.

Virtually every time he had reached a final in previous year's he's also had to get one of the top 4 in the semi finals, ofcourse that changed this year but once again a massive feet.

To sum it up I don't think anyone can ever say Andy Murray didn't deserve this slam, no lucky draws, injuries to top player's or anything. He battled and he battled and that inner strength is finally there with him now.

I was a little disappointed with his lack of a celebration, I feel he was too emotionally drained to celebrate to the level he probably felt like. The feeling was jus relief, massive weight off his shoulders now. Expect Novak and Andy to dominate the hardcourt slams now.

Not their fault that they didn't get a GS champ in final. Doesn't make them any less than Murray or say Del Potro (beat Fed), Hewitt, Safin(beat Sampras) to win their first slam.
 
Not their fault that they didn't get a GS champ in final. Doesn't make them any less than Murray or say Del Potro (beat Fed), Hewitt, Safin(beat Sampras) to win their first slam.

You're absolutely correct. You can only play against the opponent you're given.
It's never easy for anybody to win their first Slam (unless their final opponent were to pull out which has never happened). People are just putting Murray's win into some context to slap down the idiots who are always trying to say he must have had it 'easy' or got especially 'lucky' whenever he wins something big. That's all! :cool:
 
Federer is 31 DJokovic is 25 ... Federer won the majority of those slams in a weaker era. Now you go....

Well, if you were seeking some kind credibility on these boards, you're sure not going to get it with this kind of hogwash. This is as weak (read desperate) as trolls get, so you're going to have to do much better to compete with the real trolls here... ;)
 
I just finished watching the replay, and while it was great (because the competitors were equally matched) I definitely think it plays against those pushing for labeling this as the golden era.

Federer from 2004-2007 would have won that like 6-1, 6-3, 6-2. He would have made either of those guys look like fools.

I agree. I thought it was entertaining and they fought well, but the quality of play was not overall astounding. A peak Federer would have won in 3 or 4 sets.
 
Another person that makes his opinion but doesn't back it up.

IMO, Federer is the best Indoor hard-court player of all time, normal hardcourts? This a question that has yet to have been answered for me. I simply said Djokovic was the better point-constructor on hardcourts. There's a difference. You however, are still in clinical depression since your boyhood idol has been injured for going on 3 months now. Stop acting bitter.

From the 2004 U.S. Open to the 2007 Dubai Championships, Federer went 137-3 on hard courts (110-3 outdoors). Let's see Djokovic put up those kinds of numbers before we crown him the best hard court player ever.
 
Back
Top