Murray almost lost finals only to Djokovic in the last 8 years

[Lew II]

Murray is 19-1 in finals, or 20-1 including the Davis Cup, against non-Djokovic players since 2012 Olympics.

WINS

2012 Olympics vs Federer
2013 Brisbane vs Dimitrov
2013 Miami vs Ferrer
2013 Queen's vs Cilic
2014 Shenzhen vs Robredo
2014 Vienna vs Ferrer
2014 Valencia vs Robredo
2015 Munich vs Kohlschreiber
2015 Madrid vs Nadal
2015 Queen's vs Anderson
2015 Davis Cup vs Goffin
2016 Queen's vs Raonic
2016 Wimbledon vs Raonic
2016 Olympics vs Del Potro
2016 Bejing vs Dimitrov
2016 Shanghai vs Bautista Agut
2016 Vienna vs Tsonga
2016 Paris vs Isner
2017 Dubai vs Verdasco
2019 Antwerp vs Wawrinka

LOSSES

2016 Cincinnati vs Cilic

 

[Red Rick]

Friendship with Lewsollini: back on

 

[Phoenix1983]

You'd expect him to beat all those guys though (except maybe Rafa).

 

[Lew II]

You'd expect him to beat all those guys though (except maybe Rafa).

Just like was expected to beat Roddick, Baghdatis and Gonzalez?

 

[King No1e]

Further proof that the Big 4 most certainly existed. Imagine Wawrinka being 18-1 in anything, let alone tournament finals.

 

[Third Serve]

You could also say non-Federer players too.

 

[Standaa]

Cilic GOAT confirmed

 

[Phoenix1983]

Just like was expected to beat Roddick, Baghdatis and Gonzalez?

?

 

[NatF]

Further proof that the Big 4 most certainly existed. Imagine Wawrinka being 18-1 in anything, let alone tournament finals.

Wawrinka had a streak of 11 finals won including Djokovic lol.

 

[Third Serve]

Further proof that the Big 4 most certainly existed. Imagine Wawrinka being 18-1 in anything, let alone tournament finals.

Well, Stan did win 11 straight finals including wins over Federer, Nadal, and Djokovic.

 

[RS]

Murray is 18-1 in finals against non-Djokovic players since 2012 Shanghai.

WINS

2013 Brisbane vs Dimitrov
2013 Miami vs Ferrer
2013 Queen's vs Cilic
2014 Shenzhen vs Robredo
2014 Vienna vs Ferrer
2014 Valencia vs Robredo
2015 Munich vs Kohlschreiber
2015 Madrid vs Nadal
2015 Queen's vs Anderson
2016 Queen's vs Raonic
2016 Wimbledon vs Raonic
2016 Olympics vs Del Potro
2016 Bejing vs Dimitrov
2016 Shanghai vs Bautista Agut
2016 Vienna vs Tsonga
2016 Paris vs Isner
2017 Dubai vs Verdasco
2019 Antwerp vs Wawrinka

LOSSES

2016 Cincinnati vs Cilic

131-7 in slams without the big 3 from 2010 to 2016 is the most impressive cherry pick stat by far.

 

[Lew II]

Murray was a monster in finals all his career, btw.

14-17 against Big3 (the best score around by far)
32-5 against every else

 

[Lew II]

131-7 in slams without the big 3 from 2010 to 2016 is the most impressive cherry pick stat by far.

10-0 in finals/semis...

 

[NatF]

Roddick had a streak of 15-1 outside of Federer in 2003-2005

Nice streak from Murray.

 

[Lew II]

Roddick had a streak of 15-1 outside of Federer in 2003-2005

Nice streak from Murray.

How many were 500+ level events?

 

[RS]

10-0 in finals/semis...

Does this and the before count wins vs the big 3 assuming it does ?

 

[buscemi]

Murray is 18-1 in finals against non-Djokovic players since 2012 Shanghai.

WINS

2013 Brisbane vs Dimitrov
2013 Miami vs Ferrer
2013 Queen's vs Cilic
2014 Shenzhen vs Robredo
2014 Vienna vs Ferrer
2014 Valencia vs Robredo
2015 Munich vs Kohlschreiber
2015 Madrid vs Nadal
2015 Queen's vs Anderson
2016 Queen's vs Raonic
2016 Wimbledon vs Raonic
2016 Olympics vs Del Potro
2016 Bejing vs Dimitrov
2016 Shanghai vs Bautista Agut
2016 Vienna vs Tsonga
2016 Paris vs Isner
2017 Dubai vs Verdasco
2019 Antwerp vs Wawrinka

LOSSES

2016 Cincinnati vs Cilic

Almost as impressive as Stan winning 11 straight finals, including three Majors, beating Federer, Nadal, and Djokovic(x2).

 

[NatF]

How many were 500+ level events?

Depends how you view Queens in those years I guess.

 

[Third Serve]

How many were 500+ level events?

3 Masters and a Slam. All of his losses to Federer were at Wimbledon twice and two extra Masters.

 

[Lew II]

Depends how you view Queens in those years I guess.

It was a 250.

 

[Third Serve]

It was a 250.

Its field was a lot tougher than a 250 because many of the top players went there to prep for Wimbledon. Some played Halle instead.

 

[Lew II]

Its field was a lot tougher than a 250 because many of the top players went there to prep for Wimbledon. Some played Halle instead.

How many of Roddick's wins were over top10s?

 

[NatF]

It was a 250.

It was the premier warm-up tournament to Wimbledon and the second most prestigious grass court event. It's draw was at least equivalent to a 500 series

 

[NatF]

How many of Roddick's wins were over top10s?

Already showed you the error of this thinking when I pointed out;

- Grosjeans impressive three year grass record
- Hewitt being being ranked just outside the top 10 in 2004 at Queens
- Ancic making the SF of Wimbledon and being an obvious top 10 grass court player that year

Memory like a sieve you must have...

 

[Lew II]

Already showed you the error of this thinking when I pointed out;

- Grosjeans impressive three year grass record
- Hewitt being being ranked just outside the top 10 in 2004 at Queens
- Ancic making the SF of Wimbledon and being an obvious top 10 grass court player that year

Memory like a sieve you must have...

So most of Roddick's finals won were in 250 events over players outside the top10.

Thanks.

 

[NatF]

So most of Roddick's finals won were in 250 events over players outside the top10.

Thanks.

Good to see you conceding the debate is too much for you early

 

[Red Rick]

Wawrinka had a streak of 11 finals won including Djokovic lol.

It was like injured Nadal, dead Djokovic, one legit Djokovic win and about 8 Chennais

 

[Hitman]

Murray is 18-1 in finals against non-Djokovic players since 2012 Shanghai.

WINS

2013 Brisbane vs Dimitrov
2013 Miami vs Ferrer
2013 Queen's vs Cilic
2014 Shenzhen vs Robredo
2014 Vienna vs Ferrer
2014 Valencia vs Robredo
2015 Munich vs Kohlschreiber
2015 Madrid vs Nadal
2015 Queen's vs Anderson
2016 Queen's vs Raonic
2016 Wimbledon vs Raonic
2016 Olympics vs Del Potro
2016 Bejing vs Dimitrov
2016 Shanghai vs Bautista Agut
2016 Vienna vs Tsonga
2016 Paris vs Isner
2017 Dubai vs Verdasco
2019 Antwerp vs Wawrinka

LOSSES

2016 Cincinnati vs Cilic

Notice how there are none against Federer though, who he struggled with and didn't beat since AO 2013, which basically comes close to the start of the win streak.

 

[NatF]

It was like injured Nadal, dead Djokovic, one legit Djokovic win and about 8 Chennais

Sorry their ranking is all that matters.

 

[Lew II]

There's also the Davis Cup final win over Goffin, which makes it 19-1.

 

[junior74]

Djokovic is clearly The Chosen One. I wonder why he left Jesus to dry on the cross, while Novak got two generations of clowns to play with.

Life sure is unfair.

 

[buscemi]

It was like injured Nadal, dead Djokovic, one legit Djokovic win and about 8 Chennais

Three Majors, one Masters Series, three 500 level, and four 250 level. I'll amend my prior post. Murray's "run" isn't almost as good as Stan's streak. It's a couple notches below.

 

[MichaelNadal]

Epic

 

[Terenigma]

This topic has just reminded me that a guy who won minor titles for the majority of his career with scattered losses to so many players suddenly managed to get unlimited stamina for 3 years and win 11 straight titles before sinking back into mediocrity. With the best players in history you see the potential their entire career with SF and F runs but with Wawrinka it came out of nowhere and suddenly he can compete with Djokovic over 5 sets and even beat him? Riiiiiight

 

[buscemi]

This topic has just reminded me that a guy who won minor titles for the majority of his career with scattered losses to so many players suddenly managed to get unlimited stamina for 3 years and win 11 straight titles before sinking back into mediocrity. With the best players in history you see the potential their entire career with SF and F runs but with Wawrinka it came out of nowhere and suddenly he can compete with Djokovic over 5 sets and even beat him? Riiiiiight

Rafter was 1-6 in finals, winning 1 minor grass court title, heading into the 1997 U.S. Open. He then won 9 of his next 12 finals, including 2 U.S. Opens, losing only to Sampras (Grand Slam Cup & Cincinnati) and Kuerten (Rome).

 

[Red Rick]

This topic has just reminded me that a guy who won minor titles for the majority of his career with scattered losses to so many players suddenly managed to get unlimited stamina for 3 years and win 11 straight titles before sinking back into mediocrity. With the best players in history you see the potential their entire career with SF and F runs but with Wawrinka it came out of nowhere and suddenly he can compete with Djokovic over 5 sets and even beat him? Riiiiiight

Well if the others aren't on EPO or blood bags that's their ****ing mistake

 

[Hitman]

This topic has just reminded me that a guy who won minor titles for the majority of his career with scattered losses to so many players suddenly managed to get unlimited stamina for 3 years and win 11 straight titles before sinking back into mediocrity. With the best players in history you see the potential their entire career with SF and F runs but with Wawrinka it came out of nowhere and suddenly he can compete with Djokovic over 5 sets and even beat him? Riiiiiight

Sorry for some reason I started thinking about pharmaceutical companies, don't really know why...

 

[Poisoned Slice]

Depressing.

 

[Terenigma]

Sorry for some reason I started thinking about pharmaceutical companies, don't really know why...

Wanna take it a step further? His sudden rise to winning started right around the time Federer was dropping in the rankings and looking like he might drop out of the top 10 and everyone was thinking it was the beginning of the end for him. Coicidence? Nah, totally just my tin toil hat thinking.

 

[ND-13]

Was Murray expected to lose to Verdasco, Ferrer , Robredo and Dmitrov ? Murray could never beat Federer and Nadal when it counted.

 

[King No1e]

Sorry for some reason I started thinking about pharmaceutical companies, don't really know why...

 

[stringertom]

This topic has just reminded me that a guy who won minor titles for the majority of his career with scattered losses to so many players suddenly managed to get unlimited stamina for 3 years and win 11 straight titles before sinking back into mediocrity. With the best players in history you see the potential their entire career with SF and F runs but with Wawrinka it came out of nowhere and suddenly he can compete with Djokovic over 5 sets and even beat him? Riiiiiight

Stanimal’s elevation coincided with hiring Magnus Norman in April 2013, months after losing a tough 5-set loss in a slam to Joe Kovic. He had won 3 ATP250 titles in his career. Immediately, he grabbed another title on clay (Oeiras), a final vs The Nadal at Madrid and a QF at RG vs The Nadal. At USO he went down in five again to Joe Kovic but set the table for revenge at AO’14.

I’m sure Stanimal wishes he had joined up earlier with Norman but the Swedish guru was busy building Soderling into a multiple slam finalist from nothing.

As to fading, go ahead and have 2x knee surgery and see how it stalls your advancment in your tennis career. Stan is finally close to 2014-17 level. I’m sad he was the first to lose to Zedraffe in a slam QF six months ago but taking mdvdv out from 2-1 down R16 was a joy.

He will be a dangerous out for anyone at USO/RG if they either or both.

 

[Lew II]

He also beat Federer at 2012 Olympics so the streak is 20-1 (including the Davis).

 

[Mainad]

Was Murray expected to lose to Verdasco, Ferrer , Robredo and Dmitrov ? Murray could never beat Federer and Nadal when it counted.

Did 2008 US Open, 2010 Australian Open, 2013 Australian Open or 2012 Olympic final (counts for me) not count for you? What does?

 

[Mainad]

Sorry for some reason I started thinking about pharmaceutical companies, don't really know why...

They have a lot of those in Switzerland (apparently).

 

[Lew II]

Was Murray expected to lose to Verdasco, Ferrer , Robredo and Dmitrov ? Murray could never beat Federer and Nadal when it counted.

He also beat Federer, Nadal, Wawrinka, Del Potro, Cilic, Tsonga...

 

[Poisoned Slice]

 

[tennis_pro]

Further proof that the Big 4 most certainly existed. Imagine Wawrinka being 18-1 in anything, let alone tournament finals.

or winning 3 Slams, yeah so crazy just the thought

 

[AnOctorokForDinner]

Stanimal’s elevation coincided with hiring Magnus Norman in April 2013, months after losing a tough 5-set loss in a slam to Joe Kovic. He had won 3 ATP250 titles in his career. Immediately, he grabbed another title on clay (Oeiras), a final vs The Nadal at Madrid and a QF at RG vs The Nadal. At USO he went down in five again to Joe Kovic but set the table for revenge at AO’14.

I’m sure Stanimal wishes he had joined up earlier with Norman but the Swedish guru was busy building Soderling into a multiple slam finalist from nothing.

As to fading, go ahead and have 2x knee surgery and see how it stalls your advancment in your tennis career. Stan is finally close to 2014-17 level. I’m sad he was the first to lose to Zedraffe in a slam QF six months ago but taking mdvdv out from 2-1 down R16 was a joy.

He will be a dangerous out for anyone at USO/RG if they either or both.

Nah he's a way away and always will be at this point, be reasonable man.

 

[stringertom]

Nah he's a way away and always will be at this point, be reasonable man.

Just put him Joe Kovic’s section and wait for the rigged draw kvetching. He’s #17 in the rankings so he will move to #16 or better for USO due to fedr’s absence and the supposed skipping by #2 The Nadal. 4R and QFs could be the right time to tangle with ********.