Murray: "Amazing how long a couple of days is in sport..."

:lol::roll:

Like he did last year at the WTF vs Djokovic? Or in 2012?

And Djokovic was playing even better in Shanghai than he was at the WTF? :lol: You are aware Djokovic produced historically the greatest performance in the history of the WTF in the group stages right? It's debatable whether anyone has ever played as well as he was that week.

Its hilarious how before the match all the Fed fans were predicting he would lose badly (in order to damage control in case he did), but now that the match didn't happen we have trolls running around using a result from a much faster court to now extrapolate he would have won...

Federer has the H2H over Djokovic this year and the ones Djokovic won were very close, so it's debatable who would have won in a hypothetical matchup that didn't happen, although it's pretty clear Djokovic would have won if Fed tried to play injured.

Djokovic may have had the most dominating performance, but he didn't face a really strong test, except from Kei to a degree. Federer was also playing on another level at WTF and managed to beat an inspired Wawrinka who was taking it to him.
 
Also, although older, the reality is that Federer is just a better tennis player than Djokovic. Any objective analysis of their age-matched achievements would tell you that.
 
Don't waste your time Spicy. NadalAgassi's been banned again, at least until he returns under yet another username. :roll:

lol its just shocking to me. Before the match you had Fed fans on here predicting things like 6-3 6-3 or worse for Nole and I was the one saying I expect two tight split sets before Nole runs away with the third.

Now in the last week you have those same guys:

1)turning around and saying Fed would have won the match had it happened

2)trying to use Fed's h2h over Nole this year to mean something (ignoring the Monte Carlo injury) after arguing for years (and even now!) that it means nothing vs Nadal

3)trying to justify some sort of legacy enhancement with the Davis Cup win when guys like tennisaddict, cc0, and steve were claiming it worthless in the topic regarding how Fed should try for Davis Cup at the start of the season :lol:
 
Federer has the H2H over Djokovic this year and the ones Djokovic won were very close, so it's debatable who would have won in a hypothetical matchup that didn't happen, although it's pretty clear Djokovic would have won if Fed tried to play injured.

Of course its debatable as anything can happen on any given day, but the point is even the Fed fans were picking Nole before the match and clearly there was a reason for that.

On a slower court Fed struggles very hard to beat Nole. In fact since 2011+ the only slow court wins Fed has had over Nole were at 2014 MC (where Nole was injured) and 2011 RG (where Fed played one of the greatest clay court matches of his life). Go look at RG 2012, WTF 2012, and AO 2011 for examples of matches on slow courts when Nole is playing at his best. The count 8-0 Nole in sets.

Djokovic may have had the most dominating performance, but he didn't face a really strong test, except from Kei to a degree. Federer was also playing on another level at WTF and managed to beat an inspired Wawrinka who was taking it to him.

Nole beat that same Wawrinka (who had just crushed Berdych the match before 1 and 1) by a score of 3 and 0 and also gave that same Kei who was testing him both a bagel and breadstick.

Also, although older, the reality is that Federer is just a better tennis player than Djokovic. Any objective analysis of their age-matched achievements would tell you that.

Not disputing that at all. But any objective analysis of the top end competition of the era Fed dominated vs Nole's in conjunction with a h2h that has spanned both player's primes over 8 years, would tell you that the gap in their abilities is not as great as the gap in achievements.
 
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Federer was injured in 2013. If you are cribbing about 2014 MC at least have the decency to use the same standard for Federer. And no mention of Kei's injury vs Novak lol. Hilariously biased and one eyed posting.
 
Federer was injured in 2013. If you are cribbing about 2014 MC at least have the decency to use the same standard for Federer. And no mention of Kei's injury vs Novak lol. Hilariously biased and one eyed posting.

Federer was injured at the end of 2013? :confused:
 
:lol: at Andy Murray making comments about Roger.

Muzz might want to focus on getting more than one game off of him first...
 
Monfils should have beaten Fed in straight sets at the USO, so it's no surprise he's going to DESTROY injured Federer. Gasquet on the other hand was just plain terrible..
 
You are good at putting words in peoples mouth, spicecurry, I'll give you that.

1. I can't see so many saying Fed would have won the match? What we are saying is that IF Fed was 100% healthy, there is no reason for him to back out from the final as DC was a week later and of course that Federer would have caused Djokovic trouble as he has always done that. The 3-2 h2h thing is not used as Nadal fans use his h2h against fed, the 3-2 h2h shows that Djokovic has had alot of trouble against federer this year and that it would most likely be another even story.

2. Check 1.

3. What does that have to do with this topic, federer vs nole at the WTF?
Federer won the DC, deal with it.
 
He hasn't tweeted in ten days and exactly today when federer secures the DC title he highlights federers injury problem and is going towards the direction that he faked it.

It is pretty obvious that he is bitter. First he got served a bagel and a breadstick from fed, also get passed in the h2h and later saw him win the DC to switzerland.

To tweet something like he did shows bitterness, how can you not see it?

I haven't had time to read right through the thread, so sorry if this has been said before: I took this to mean that Murray was commentating on the poor performance on Friday against Monfils, and then the "fantastic" performance "a couple of days later" against Gasquet. Even said Fed played "fantastic" - that sounds like praise to me, not sniping.

I can't understand all the fuss.
 
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Of course its debatable as anything can happen on any given day, but the point is even the Fed fans were picking Nole before the match and clearly there was a reason for that.

On a slower court Fed struggles very hard to beat Nole. In fact since 2011+ the only slow court wins Fed has had over Nole were at 2014 MC (where Nole was injured) and 2011 RG (where Fed played one of the greatest clay court matches of his life). Go look at RG 2012, WTF 2012, and AO 2011 for examples of matches on slow courts when Nole is playing at his best. The count 8-0 Nole in sets.

Nole beat that same Wawrinka (who had just crushed Berdych the match before 1 and 1) by a score of 3 and 0 and also gave that same Kei who was testing him both a bagel and breadstick.

I don't think you're being quite fair in your analysis. What does AO and much less, RG, have to do with the WTF?
And said WTF match, which you use to show what happens, when Djoko plays great vs. Fed on this court (2-0 in sets as part of your 8-0 in sets on slow courts argument) was a close a match as they come.
Fed led the first set 3-0, was close to get a 4-0 iirc, and the TB was very close as well with Novak eventually winning it 8-6.
In the second, Fed was up a break again, failing to consolidate with the 2nd break, serving for the match at 5-3, before Novak came roaring back winning it 7-5 after making some stunning returns at 125 mph bombs down the T.
In total points won, Novak led Fed by just one (96-95), yet you simply state it as another 2 sets victory.

As for you talking about the 'same Wawa', I mean, seriously? Wawa is the streakiest of players. He can play great one day and suck the next. He was fairly good for a set vs. Nole and not good at all in the next. Just because Nole beat him much easier than Fed, doesn't equate to Nole = easy win over Fed (as I'm sure you know).
And the same Kei, who was testing who? Fed (2 and 3??)? You mention the breadstick and the bagel from Nole, but you forget the lost set. A bit dishonest, don't you think?
You very well know that if Nishi had gotten one of his BP's at the start of the 3rd, there's no saying whether Djoko would have remained shell-shocked or not (oods are - Nishi would have gone down a level eventually as he seemed nervous the minute he got a chance to win, but again - we don't know. The 3rd set was more about Nishi not being there than Novak playing great. He played very great in the first though).

All in all, yes, Nole would have been the favorite on Sunday even against a healthy Fed, because of his form and because of the court. But as you yourself pointed out and as their matches throughout the years show, their matches are usually very close and hard to call.
 
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To tweet something like he did shows bitterness, how can you not see it?

No, to tweet that Roger played better on Sunday than he did on Friday shows basic observation skills. Pointing out that two days is a long time in sport should be interpreted as pointing out that just because someone has a bad result one day, they can play brilliantly a couple of days later.

That a number of over-sensitive Fed-fans jumped to the unfounded conclusion that he was having a go at Roger's powers of recovery, and claiming they are suspicious, reveals an awful lot about their own insecurities and their own fears that perhaps Roger really was up to something dodgy. :oops:

The secure Fedfans (who weren't too busy celebrating their hero's victory) would have just taken it at face value, and agreed and been grateful that Roger could improve and get the win on Sunday. Would they have been happier if he'd stayed rubbish and relied on Stan to win the 5th rubber?:confused:
 
Murray still feeling the 'ache" of 6-0, 6-1 beating he took from Roger. I'm amazed he has the balls to smack talk on Twitter.
 
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