Murray: "Give Djokovic a break"

[Mustard]

The great Pete Sampras never won more than 2 grand slams in any year. The last year he won a slam, it was accompanied by a first, second and fourth round exit in the other slams. I think the success of Fedal and Dvokovic has spoiled us.

But Sampras did win 3 majors in a row on 1 occasion (1993 Wimbledon, 1993 US Open, 1994 Australian Open). Later, he held 3 of the 4 majors after winning 1997 Wimbledon (having won the 1996 US Open and 1997 Australian Open).

 

[Djokovic_is_the_best#1]

Brilliant from sir Andy! Spoken like a true champ, he knows what Djoko is going through as he been there himself, like Nadal and fed have. It not easy to keep dominating week in week out. Djoko has lost his aura and people believe they can beat him now. It's up to him to respond to adversity as is the norm for any tennis player!

 

[Dope Reign]

At the similar juncture as Murray now, fed was 67-28 in finals ( 70.5%) > Murray's (66.66%)

The contention was that Murray is mentally weak. No idea why you're trying to prove Fed is mentally tougher.

11 finals is big enough sample size lol when it comes to grand slam finals. Also the other 800 matches have no relevance to those slam finals. A slam final is a whole different animal. You are comparing apples and oranges.

In most of those losing Finals Murray wasn't at the races, and was comprehensively outplayed.

It isn't like he was 2 sets up and cracked under the pressure like Fed at the 2011 US semi. To be fair memories of choking leads in '10 and '09 were probably in his head. That must be tough to deal with.

 

[RF-18]

In my opinion you have no idea what you're talking about and never have.

Well this place everyone knows what they are talking about, I mean guys like you, abmk knows better than all experts and players themselves so there isn't no competition on that..

 

[abmk]

Mentally he is about the same, guy got crushed by Hewitt because of mentality and he was similar to Murray against Federer in big matches.

Like I've said to you before, Roddick didn't get crushed by Hewitt.
Hewitt was 3-2 vs him in their mutual primes (04-05).

 

[Deleted member 307496]

You seem to be confused, the contention is that Murray is mentally weak. So mentally weak he makes Roddick look like granite. Mentally weak players tend to lose finals, and matches they should've won. This as it happens applies way more to Roddick and Federer than Murray.

Murray is a rock. It only requires a functioning brain to see this.

Yet another post where Dope Reign shows he's an absolute idiot.

How many slam finals has Federer won? Now how many has he lost? How many has Murray won, and how many has he lost?

 

[Deleted member 307496]

Like I've said to you before, Roddick didn't get crushed by Hewitt.
Hewitt was 3-2 vs him in their mutual primes (04-05).

At the 2005 Australian Open, yes, he did. Most of that came down to mentality. I was not talking about OVERALL I was talking about in particular matches.

In my opinion though Roddick wasn't really that good and I liked the guy.

 

[abmk]

Well this place everyone knows what they are talking about, I mean guys like you, abmk knows better than all experts and players themselves so there isn't no competition on that..

Becker, before he become Djokovic's coach, said that only Fed out of Fedalovic would be successful in his time. He knows better than you, doesn't he ?

 

[Deleted member 307496]

Well this place everyone knows what they are talking about, I mean guys like you, abmk knows better than all experts and players themselves so there isn't no competition on that..

You won't even LISTEN to the experts anymore! Why is that?

 

[abmk]

The contention was that Murray is mentally weak. No idea why you're trying to prove Fed is mentally tougher.

mentally weak compared to whom ? fedalovic, yes.
compared to roddick ? no. But he's weaker than roddick mentally.

 

[abmk]

At the 2005 Australian Open, yes, he did. Most of that came down to mentality. I was not talking about OVERALL I was talking about in particular matches.

In my opinion though Roddick wasn't really that good and I liked the guy.

yes, but that's a one match sample.
There's no disputing that Hewitt was mentally tougher.

Overall not a big gap b/w them, IMO, with hewitt being better. Roddick easily the best 1 slammer ever.

 

[Dope Reign]

Yet another post where Dope Reign shows he's an absolute idiot.

How many slam finals has Federer won? Now how many has he lost? How many has Murray won, and how many has he lost?

Yet another post where Sabrat proves reading comprehension is not compatible with drunkenness.

 

[Deleted member 307496]

yes, but that's a one match sample.
There's no disputing that Hewitt was mentally tougher.

Overall not a big gap b/w them, IMO, with hewitt being better. Roddick easily the best 1 slammer ever.

It's the best example for Roddick's mentality though. Going into that match I honestly thought Roddick would walk away the winner, especially since Hewitt really did crush him at the WTF and he'd have the motivation behind him.

In terms of potential not really much between Roddick and Hewitt, but Hewitt had a better mentality and played slightly better against the best players when he was at his best, but again, that comes down to mentality.

 

[Terenigma]

What the f*** is wrong with this forum? OP posted an inspirational and nice story about Murray defending his childhood friend, even tho he is his professional rival and 2 pages into the discussion you guys have resorted to d*** measuring and trolling and insults. Jesus christ, you have the whole rest of the forum to compare about "mental weakness" or talk about how much you love/hate Murray/Djokovic or whomever else.

Can you just for once actually be civil and appreciate a good thing instead of turning it into garbage? My god...

 

[Deleted member 716271]

Hewitt was incredibly strong mentally I felt. A real scrapper and tough guy. I remember he used to annoy people with Rocky quotes, pumping himself up, shouting "come on". Sort of Nadalesque even in that regard.

 

[Deleted member 716271]

I think Murray and Novak are the 2 out of the Big 4 most likely to be friends after tennis is over.

 

[tennisaddict]

I think Murray and Novak are the 2 out of the Big 4 most likely to be friends after tennis is over.

Bottom 2 of the big 4 gravitate together just like top 2 did

 

[Deleted member 716271]

Bottom 2 of the big 4 gravitate together just like top 2 did

Fed and Nadal would never be friends outside of tennis

 

[Gazelle]

The contention was that Murray is mentally weak. No idea why you're trying to prove Fed is mentally tougher.


In most of those losing Finals Murray wasn't at the races, and was comprehensively outplayed.

No, he already cracked under pressure from the very beginning. That's why he wasn't at the races.

 

[smoledman]

Yeah I'm sure Nole appreciates Murray defending him like some orphan child. No way Nole's massive ego can tolerate this outrage. Notes have been made and retaliations planned.

 

[Dope Reign]

No, he already cracked under pressure from the very beginning. That's why he wasn't at the races.

Is that what happened to Fed at Roland Garros in '08?

 

[Djokovic2011]

At the 2005 Australian Open, yes, he did. Most of that came down to mentality. I was not talking about OVERALL I was talking about in particular matches.

In my opinion though Roddick wasn't really that good and I liked the guy.

Kudos to you for acknowledging that last part Saby. Very few Fed fans do.

 

[Dope Reign]

I mean Murray wasn't at the races in most of his slam finals, but at the french in 08 I think Fed was trying to play a different game.

Maybe Where's Wally? Fed spent the whole hour of match time scouring the crowd, he didn't realise the wally was on the court.

 

[KINGROGER]

As Wilander said Murray would be a 8 slam winner in another era. He's basically only played Djokovic and Federer in slam finals except one wich was Raonic last year. If you look at Federer and Nadals finals there are opponents such as Baghdatis, Gonzalez, Soderling, Puerta, Philipoussis, Berdych, Ferrer, Roddick etc.

So he has surely been unfortunate. He is not as good as fedalovic so when it counts he will lose more often than not but he was unlucky that he couldn't get some players other than them like they did.

What era is that then?

If Murray was born in 1981 he'd pretty much lose in every slam to Federer between 04-09... considering Fed reached all but 3 finals in this period.

If not Fed then Nadal would beat him at Wimbledon between 06-08 or RG 05-08.

 

[KINGROGER]

I mean Murray wasn't at the races in most of his slam finals, but at the french in 08 I think Fed was trying to play a different game.

Maybe Where's Wally? Fed spent the whole hour of match time scouring the crowd, he didn't realise the wally was on the court.

Nah he pretty much tanked that match after the first set. He had an off day whilst Nadal played arguably his highest level ever.

 

[Steve0904]

You won't even LISTEN to the experts anymore! Why is that?

Because the "experts" can't get away with saying Novak is playing at the highest level ever and we are in the strongest era ever now that Novak is losing in the 2nd and 3rd rounds of GS? Maybe?

 

[mightyrick]

<Murray> Give Djokovic a break. He's trying really hard. He can't be great all the time.

Yeah, right I'm sure that Djokovic just LOVES having his pigeon for the last several years give those sentiments to the press. This is the shirt-ripping-alpha-male-son-of-god we're talking about.

In other news, after vanquishing Superman, Lex Luthor just told the press that the public needs to give Superman a break. He can't be super all the time.

 

[BeatlesFan]

As Wilander said Murray would be a 8 slam winner in another era.

And Agassi would have 15 majors in an era w/o Sampras.

And Roger would have 26 majors in an era w/o Nadal.

 

[Mainad]

<Murray> Give Djokovic a break. He's trying really hard. He can't be great all the time.

Yeah, right I'm sure that Djokovic just LOVES having his pigeon for the last several years give those sentiments to the press. This is the shirt-ripping-alpha-male-son-of-god we're talking about.

In other news, after vanquishing Superman, Lex Luthor just told the press that the public needs to give Superman a break. He can't be super all the time.

The analogy is not perfect. Andy's got a bit more hair than Lex Luthor.

 

[abmk]

It's the best example for Roddick's mentality though. Going into that match I honestly thought Roddick would walk away the winner, especially since Hewitt really did crush him at the WTF and he'd have the motivation behind him.

In terms of potential not really much between Roddick and Hewitt, but Hewitt had a better mentality and played slightly better against the best players when he was at his best, but again, that comes down to mentality.

Like I said, Hewitt was mentally tougher, no question, but using just one match that Roddick lost doesn't help.

It'd be like using USO 02 SF for hewitt vs agassi. It was a match he could've won, but didn't hold up mentally as he usually did.

Roddick won USO 03 SF saving MP vs nalby in the SF. He won that epic vs el ayanoui in AO 2003 QF.
Many players would've crumbled after that missed volley in the 2nd set breaker in wimbledon 09. Roddick didn't. the 3rd set went to a breaker as well.

 

[Meles]

yeah, that's because fed > novak

roddick beat fed at canada in 03 and denied him #1 ranking at that time and in that year.

mentally Roddick > murray..
Murray is a better player overall, but not mentally

Well there is certainly something wrong with Murray much of the time. Fell apart at French Open final after first set and the recent Doha final almost got clobbered by Djokovic before waking up and finding his best game for a time. I'd buy its physical at the FO, but Doha clearly was not stamina isssue. Forced to agree though when Murray has had real opportunities in slams he's closed most of them out. Nobody really knows quite what makes Murray tick. (Players like Fed are more obvious.)

 

[abmk]

Kudos to you for acknowledging that last part Saby. Very few Fed fans do.

Roddick is frankly under-rated by many. Give him djokovic instead of fed as an opponent and he ends up with 3 slams like stan probably. ( at wim/USO instead of AO/FO obviously )

 

[Mainad]

I think Murray and Novak are the 2 out of the Big 4 most likely to be friends after tennis is over.

Murray and Djokovic have known each other the longest. Being only a week apart in age they grew up together on the tour. But Murray has also been close friends with Nadal since his time training in Barcelona as a teenager. Federer, being much older than the rest, is probably the one who is least close to any of the others.

 

[abmk]

Well there is certainly something wrong with Murray much of the time. Fell apart at French Open final after first set and the recent Doha final almost got clobbered by Djokovic before waking up and finding his best game for a time. I'd buy its physical at the FO, but Doha clearly was not stamina isssue. Forced to agree though when Murray has had real opportunities in slams he's closed most of them out. Nobody really knows quite what makes Murray tick. (Players like Fed are more obvious.)

quite a few other instances as well :

2011 wim SF : takes the first set vs nadal, misses a simple sitter FH at the start of the 2nd set and falls apart.
2015 AO F : gets taken in by djoko's "acting" and crumbles mid-way in the 3rd set.
2015 miami F : gets bagelled in the 3rd set vs djoko

2016 FO ..physical part doesn't make that much sense ( though he did have a tough draw). He was playing very well in 1st set and crumbles soon after ? its not like the match had taken long. If it was after 2 hrs or so, you could say it was physical.

 

[Steve0904]

Re: Roddick and Hewitt: Roddick in particular was slightly unlucky that Federer was such an extremely terrible match up for him. That said, neither was a fantastic player on the level of Djokovic or Nadal (but they could get wins over them as Roddick in particular showed), but they also don't deserve to be seriously called weak era mugs by people who likely never saw them at their respective bests, and are just sour because Federer broke their idol's records.

 

[BGod]

Okay, so, bar none one or two (is he including himself?) would take W-3-F-2 with that Final happening because of a half draw?

I don't think Wawrinka would be oh so happy. Federer & Nadal probably.

But is he also excluding Novak?

Overall that 4 tournament line wouldn't be good enough for Novak himself or Wawrinka.

So that's two I guess.

I don't think Federer would be bummed with only 1 Major but those 2nd and 3rd round exits are beyond his pride.

Of course Nadal's already there.

 

[Gary Duane]

Unbelieveable words by the world #1. Huge props to Andy for standing up for Novak.

"I think everyone needs to give him a bit of a break. It is hard to keep up the intensity week after week, that's why everyone has been so impressed by the group of players at the top of the game over the last few years," Britain's Murray said in his column on the BBC website on Friday.

"I think the players themselves are a lot more understanding, as we know how difficult it is and how incredible the consistency has been over the last few years. It's almost inevitable it will drop off at some point."

Murray, the reigning Wimbledon and Olympic champion, said he was surprised by Djokovic's early defeat but said it hardly represented a crisis for a player who has so often been his nemesis.

"Everyone was surprised by Novak's exit in Melbourne, for sure. But out of the last few grand slams he made the final of the U.S. Open, the third round at Wimbledon and won the French Open," Murray said.


"Every single player on the Tour, bar one or two, would sign up for those results. When you compare it to what his standards are, he'll probably be disappointed.

"But if you compare it to every other tennis player in the world, his last 12-18 months have been phenomenal."

http://www.eurosport.com/tennis/aus...y-tells-serb-s-critics_sto6023673/story.shtml

Good for Andy. Well said, fair words...

 

[Mustard]

Roddick easily the best 1 slammer ever.

Thomas Muster and Goran Ivanisevic both say hi.

 

[abmk]

Thomas Muster and Goran Ivanisevic both say hi.

Neither of them were YE#1. Goran didn't reach #1 at all.

Neither of them were big threats outside of RG/wim respectively at slams. roddick was at 2 of them - wim/USO.

Roddick's 3rd best slam - AO > 2nd best for either of them, which says a lot.

Roddick was also top 10 for longer, iirc.

Give him any other ATG to face instead of fed and he ends up with *atleast* 2 slams.

Fed stopped him 8 times at slams.

Sent from my MotoG3 using Tapatalk

 

[Bender]

Unbelievable [emoji35][emoji35][emoji35][emoji35]

Oh, you meant that in a good way...

 

[Tenisfan3]

Unbelieveable words by the world #1. Huge props to Andy for standing up for Novak.

"I think everyone needs to give him a bit of a break. It is hard to keep up the intensity week after week, that's why everyone has been so impressed by the group of players at the top of the game over the last few years," Britain's Murray said in his column on the BBC website on Friday.

"I think the players themselves are a lot more understanding, as we know how difficult it is and how incredible the consistency has been over the last few years. It's almost inevitable it will drop off at some point."

Murray, the reigning Wimbledon and Olympic champion, said he was surprised by Djokovic's early defeat but said it hardly represented a crisis for a player who has so often been his nemesis.

"Everyone was surprised by Novak's exit in Melbourne, for sure. But out of the last few grand slams he made the final of the U.S. Open, the third round at Wimbledon and won the French Open," Murray said.


"Every single player on the Tour, bar one or two, would sign up for those results. When you compare it to what his standards are, he'll probably be disappointed.

"But if you compare it to every other tennis player in the world, his last 12-18 months have been phenomenal."

http://www.eurosport.com/tennis/aus...y-tells-serb-s-critics_sto6023673/story.shtml

well said sister. Murray is always spot on whether it is about asking people to give Djokovic a break or being pissed off with.Novack for disgraceful antics (pathetic gamesmanship) ala AO 2015

 

[CremoCream]

yeah, that's because fed > novak

roddick beat fed at canada in 03 and denied him #1 ranking at that time and in that year.

mentally Roddick > murray..
Murray is a better player overall, but not mentally

What? Roddick has never beaten Fed at a GS. He's never beat Fed in a final. Yes Fed is better than Nole. But Murray is > mentally better than Roddick. Heck he's beaten Fed in his prime at his best masters ....2006 Cincinatti. Murray's beaten his main rival in multiple finals and in GrandSlam Finals as well. He even beat Nole in the Final of ATP world tour finals, where nole was undefeated. How's that mentally weak? Wawrinka has as bad a record against Nadal and Nole as Roddick has to Fed. Yet he blew Nadal off the court, even before the injury, in the AO final. Let me remind you that Nadal has the second best GS finals win/loss ratio to Sampras. Than he's owned Nole mentally. This is all in Grand slams. When has roddick done that man? Roddick was great in his time, but he no where is mentally as great as Murray or Wawrinka for that matter. Murray has held his own against a much better rival. Roddick has opportunties against Fed Yet Choked.

 

[abmk]

What? Roddick has never beaten Fed at a GS. He's never beat Fed in a final. Yes Fed is better than Nole. But Murray is > mentally better than Roddick. Heck he's beaten Fed in his prime at his best masters ....2006 Cincinatti. Murray's beaten his main rival in multiple finals and in GrandSlam Finals as well. He even beat Nole in the Final of ATP world tour finals, where nole was undefeated. How's that mentally weak? Wawrinka has as bad a record against Nadal and Nole as Roddick has to Fed. Yet he blew Nadal off the court, even before the injury, in the AO final. Let me remind you that Nadal has the second best GS finals win/loss ratio to Sampras. Than he's owned Nole mentally. This is all in Grand slams. When has roddick done that man? Roddick was great in his time, but he no where is mentally as great as Murray or Wawrinka for that matter. Murray has held his own against a much better rival. Roddick has opportunties against Fed Yet Choked.

he beat a tired federer at cincy in 06 and went on to lose easily to whom ? roddick.

Also, Roddick leads the h2h vs djokovic, 5-4, including a win at the AO in 09 and djokovic was higher ranked

Murray has held his own against djokovic in major part because djokovic is quite clearly worse than federer.

Also he's a better player than Roddick overall and doesn't match up as badly vs him as roddick did vs federer ..

re: the final part, my bad. I was thinking the canada masters one in 03 was a final.. It was a SF.

 

[Fedinkum]

OP got it all wrong!! The Knight was actually patronising the Serb...read it again: "Give him a Break...." because the Djoke can't break any more.

 

[Poisoned Slice]

Truth, justice and the volley highway. Expect nothing less from our Muzziah.

The analogy is not perfect. Andy's got a bit more hair than Lex Luthor.

 

[CremoCream]

he beat a tired federer at cincy in 06 and went on to lose easily to whom ? roddick.

Also, Roddick leads the h2h vs djokovic, 5-4, including a win at the AO in 09 and djokovic was higher ranked

Murray has held his own against djokovic in major part because djokovic is quite clearly worse than federer.

Also he's a better player than Roddick overall and doesn't match up as badly vs him as roddick did vs federer ..

re: the final part, my bad. I was thinking the canada masters one in 03 was a final.. It was a SF.

So a peak roddick beat a 19-20 year old baby murray? Good to know. Everything you're mentioning are not relevant to the main point...Who's mentally tougher, Andy Roddick or Andy Murray? Murray has come up multiple times against his main rival on the grandest of stages. Roddick never did that against Federer. Mentally Murray is at another level compared to Roddick mentally.

 

[abmk]

So a peak roddick beat a 19-20 year old baby murray? Good to know. Everything you're mentioning are not relevant to the main point...Who's mentally tougher, Andy Roddick or Andy Murray? Murray has come up multiple times against his main rival on the grandest of stages. Roddick never did that against Federer. Mentally Murray is at another level compared to Roddick mentally.

I mentioned the roddick beating murray easily part to show that it was federer's fatigue, not murray's great play that mainly caused that upset in 06. So the example you provided is close to irrelevant.

and yes, because federer > djokovic and quite clearly. also federer is quite clearly a tougher matchup for roddick than djokovic is for murray ...

at the slams, murray is 1-5 vs federer and 1-3 vs YEC, with many of those matches not even being vs peak federer , unlike roddick vs federer ....

Murray missed one simple FH vs rafa in wim 11 SF and self-destructed after that.
Was roddick doing the same vs his toughest rival when he missed that volley in the wim 09 SF ? no, he competed and competed hard. The 3rd set went to a breaker ...

...That's what mental strength is ...

I already provided the other examples of roddick's mental strength ...vs el ayanoui in AO 2003 QF, vs nalby in USO 2003 SF etc.

Roddick also actually leads the h2h vs the main rival of Murray ...5-4, including a win in a slam.

 

[Deleted member 307496]

What the f*** is wrong with this forum? OP posted an inspirational and nice story about Murray defending his childhood friend, even tho he is his professional rival and 2 pages into the discussion you guys have resorted to d*** measuring and trolling and insults. Jesus christ, you have the whole rest of the forum to compare about "mental weakness" or talk about how much you love/hate Murray/Djokovic or whomever else.

Can you just for once actually be civil and appreciate a good thing instead of turning it into garbage? My god...

I don't even need to compare Hewitt and Murray for you to have a go at me about simply talking about them in a different thread. It isn't "d**** measuring" it's a discussion, one that actually interested me because of the similarities between the two besides a slight minor difference.

And that's about the discussion in this thread, not the crap you just posted.

Grow up and realize people are going to have different opinions to you or talk about things you don't like to hear.

Oh but that's right, you're the moron who thinks Hewitt is little more than a Nishikori-clone.

 

[Deleted member 307496]

What? Roddick has never beaten Fed at a GS. He's never beat Fed in a final. Yes Fed is better than Nole. But Murray is > mentally better than Roddick. Heck he's beaten Fed in his prime at his best masters ....2006 Cincinatti. Murray's beaten his main rival in multiple finals and in GrandSlam Finals as well. He even beat Nole in the Final of ATP world tour finals, where nole was undefeated. How's that mentally weak? Wawrinka has as bad a record against Nadal and Nole as Roddick has to Fed. Yet he blew Nadal off the court, even before the injury, in the AO final. Let me remind you that Nadal has the second best GS finals win/loss ratio to Sampras. Than he's owned Nole mentally. This is all in Grand slams. When has roddick done that man? Roddick was great in his time, but he no where is mentally as great as Murray or Wawrinka for that matter. Murray has held his own against a much better rival. Roddick has opportunties against Fed Yet Choked.

Novak was not a greater rival than Federer, he was a LESSER rival than Federer was for Roddick for one of two reasons.

1) Federer was a better player than Djokovic.
2) Murray is a better player than Roddick.

I'm not saying Roddick had a better mentality than Murray but that part of your post irked me quite a lot. Then I remembered I had you on IL so you must be one of those crazy Djokovic goons.

 

[CremoCream]

I mentioned the roddick beating murray easily part to show that it was federer's fatigue, not murray's great play that mainly caused that upset in 06. So the example you provided is close to irrelevant.

and yes, because federer > djokovic and quite clearly. also federer is quite clearly a tougher matchup for roddick than djokovic is for murray ...

at the slams, murray is 1-5 vs federer and 1-3 vs YEC, with many of those matches not even being vs peak federer , unlike roddick vs federer ....

Murray missed one simple FH vs rafa in wim 11 SF and self-destructed after that.
Was roddick doing the same vs his toughest rival when he missed that volley in the wim 09 SF ? no, he competed and competed hard. The 3rd set went to a breaker ...

...That's what mental strength is ...

I already provided the other examples of roddick's mental strength ...vs el ayanoui in AO 2003 QF, vs nalby in USO 2003 SF etc.

Roddick also actually leads the h2h vs the main rival of Murray ...5-4, including a win in a slam.

Ma Federer is the GOAT Right? So if Federer is GOAT, which I Agree, he has the highest standards compared to anyone else, that includes the likes of Novak, Rafa, Pete, and so on. So how are we going to use the worst possible excuse ever for the player that has the highest standards ever in their prime? In 2006 after the Murray loss Fed still had 33 matches left that he played. Also, He had a week off between Cincinatti and Canada. He beat Srichaphan in the first round of Cincinatti. He faced Murray the next round. And he lost to Murray because of "fatigue?" If thats the excuse any fandom of any top player can make that excuse. That is not legit. Novak is one of the toughest players to play against ever. Federer is as well. The point is, Murray's biggest rival is who, Djokovic, with Fed and Nadal also being rivals. Roddicks biggest rival was really Federer. Murray performed exponentially better against his rival than Roddick did against Federer.

Lets take a look: Roddick 3-21 h2h against Federer. Roddicks only 3 wins against Federer? Miami 2008 (ive heard the excuse that Fed suffered from "mono" during that time), 2003 Federer lost in canada to roddick, a baby Fed who, though won his maidan grandslam in 2003, truly peaked in 2006, and 2004, with greatness shown in 2005, 2007, and 2009 as well. Roddick has beaten Federer in his aged year in 2012, mono year in 2008, and unprimed year in 2003. Murray has greater wins against Fed than Roddick ever has had against Federer. But that's a side point. (14-11 h2h with Most of Murray's wins against Federer coming on surfaces Federer thrives in even till this day, like Cincinatti, Doha, etc,).

The main point is, how did these two play against their respective main rivals. 25-11 h2h for murray against Nole. That h2h is as bad as the FED - NADAL h2h. Yet Fed has won many GS titles against Nadal, and Murray won multiple GS against Nole. We can say that Nole and Nadal had both match up advantages against them for that skewed H2H. But we can't say that they are mental weaklings cause atleast they beat them occasionally, and even sometimes handily (Fed bageling Nadal at Wimbledon in a four set win, Murray straight setting Nole in the finals). So to some how equate Roddick and Murray, as if they are similar plays both mentally and consistently over the years, is extremely disrespectful to Murray.