Discussion in 'General Pro Player Discussion' started by batz, Feb 5, 2013.
Yes, he can. The problem is that Federer, Nadal, Djokovic, Ferrer and Gasquet must be dead.
He didn't say he will win. He said that it's possible and that stranger things have happened. Gaudio won RG ffs.
stop. just because "no one" will make that claim doesn't necessarily make that claim any less true.
i doubt federer said he will win either. probably to the liking of he could win.
Gasquet is 0-2 vs Murray at RG and 0-4 against him in majors. If you had said Berdych or DelPo, okay...
Yes, what's wrong with that?
I think amongst the top 5 (assuming Rafa is the 5th seed) Ferrer won't win. Rafa is still the favorite but his odds are lower than they have ever been. If Murray gets the second seed, and sees Ferrer on his side with Novak, Federer and Rafa on the other side, he stands a great chance.
Unless Rafa is back in full form, this is shaping up to be the one of the more interesting slams because of Rafa's potential 5the seed.
the post you quoted was my attempt at comparing federer's claim of possibly winning RG brought up by another poster to validate murray's claim of winning RG.
naturally murray can claim anything he wants, i was just pointing out that federer's claim was based on past clay results (clay tournament wins, beating nadal on clay) whereas murray's isnt.
murray never said he will win, but neither did federer.
i thought you were responding to that.
Well, Soderling made the final twice, Muzz can too.
Yes, I know that he has never won a clay title, but he has come close to beating both Rafa and Djokovic in 2011 and he's arguably a better player now than back then. Don't get me wrong, I don't even think he's in the top 4 of favourites at RG, based on past results, but I wouldn't write him off completely either. Lendl was passable on clay, maybe he can help him. I think people are overreacting a bit when they say he's absolutely crap on the dirt.
I forgot Berdych. Richie can beat him... look at Rome last year.
if murray can hit through the clay like soderling, that'll be a sight, and he'll deserve that final.
I didn't say he couldn't, but you made it sound like Gasquet would be the big favourite in that match.
He's had some good matches on clay, such as against Djok in 2011. But I will believe Murray can win if he can get to and maintain atleast an even head to head against Djok. Until then, no point in predictions of a Murray win, and Djok is the overwhelming fav.
of course. i wouldnt in all seriousness write off murray. it's possible. if he and ferrer meet, he might have the edge despite never beating ferrer on clay IIRC because of ferrer's relatively weaker record at the latter stages of slams. but a lot of uncontrollables have to go his way during those two weeks.
I don't know why people are laughing Murray has reached the semifinals of the French Open before and the quarterfinals a couple of times he can definitely play on clay. But Murray is probably going to need to start winning the clay court events first. I am surprised Murray doesn't try playing a SMALLER clay court event try to win it and build his confidence. He needs to start winning clay titles before he can think about winning the French Open.
I can win it too.
But I won't.
I just won it on Top Spin.
Yeah, he'll come to RG looking like a cross between Arnold Shwartz and Mo Farah but that geriatric anaemic chap who will be coming off a vacation will take him to five sets and Andy will crumple in the final to Noel. If Andy gets past Gramps that is.
Noel is completing his career slam at RG this time. No way Rafa can stop him this time.
I think that is the right attitude. Murray has come a long way in the past year, and is one of the few players out there who I think has the complete package. I think it is his mentality that lets him down at times, he has the game to mix it up with anyone on any surface. And yes, I saw him give Nadal a good match at MC, the court more suited to Nadal's game than any other.
He has also played and grew up training in Barcelona, so clay is no strange surface to him. Underestimating him as a tennis player is not something anyone should do, while he hasn't shown clay court pedgree to the level of the other members of the big four, I see big potential in him.
His movement has improved, and with Lendl helping him I don't see why he can't go and make a statement. Stamina and conditioning is not a factor for him now, he is one of the fittest players on tour, and clay rewards great defense, which he has. And a champion should always have a champion's mentality, I like this approach by Murray. To me it shows he cares about performing well at RG, that he values the clay season, despite being a far better grass courter and hard courter and wants to be an all surface champion.
And if the draw works out to his advantage...he enters as number two seed, and Djokovic draws Nadal in his quarter and Federer in his half, things could get very interesting.
Good for him, and I wish him luck.
Terrible attitude from Murray.
Murray can win anything at this point - he's that good. I don't think Roger will ever win RG again, so I don't mind who wins it as long as its not the faker cheater.
He has the potential to win it, although statistics don't agree with that. Clay is not his best surface, but he has Lendl who is one of the best clay court players in the open era. Alex Corjeta did seem to make some improvements in his game, but he former is no Lendl.
Who might that be?
Did you believe him when he said " I am getting closer" at W?
I believe him now. For any major it's between Murray or Djoker first then come the rest of the field. Murray has been in qf or sf last two years so he is pretty close to get to his first final here, considering the field, its very likely
They are number 1 and 2 at the moment bar none. But I think Nadal will come and change it around a bit. Novak, Murray and Nadal: holy trinity of tennis.
Less pressure at RG for sure - a fully fit Murray with decent footwear will be tough for anyone who plays him. His footwork in the AO was outstanding in the first six matches, he was like Twinkletoes! But in the final, he came out full of gusto but it became obvious that his movement and push-off for the serve had deteriorated to the point it looked like he was playing on hot coals. In the last game in New York he broke two toenails so he needs to have words with Adidas big time if he is to slide and shift on the dirt with the confidence he needs to express himself.
Murray ahould be playing in south america now on clay like rafa, almagro and ferrer did it last year..
but instead of actually playing, he is off on another of his 'training blocks'..he is 25yrs old he should be out there playing..he dosnt play enough and never has..its a reason why he might struggle to be world no1..
there are not many world rank points for training more.
I thought Murray is ugly and sucks and will never win anything ever again, because you don't find him physically appealing? What caused this change of heart?
what did i just read murraa best bet is quarters he sucks on clay he is just playing mind games ,final is impossible and winning lol mark it
He said he wants to concentrate on fewer events and prepare better for them (to do better in them), which is why he isn't playing anything until IW. He said that he always does better when he's had more time to prepare and since the HC season isn't over yet, it would be weird for him to start playing on clay now. There are a lot more ranking points on offer in Masters events than for 250 events, obviously. You can only count 18 events anyway, so playing everything there is to play on clay wouldn't even improve his ranking.
I remember that being said about all the players in 2011. Djokovic played the majority of the SF without a bh-dtl. Who thought Seppi & Tsonga would trouble him as they did last year? Djokovic at the AO during the final hit eight less UEs in 2013 than he did in 2012, which must be concerning.
Monte Carlo overrated, please. The last time the top 4 turned up at the Paris masters was 2009, two reached the SFs. Is there a difference between the top 4 playing an event and losing before the SFs without stating the obivious? Off the top of my head, Cincinnati'10, Paris'10, Montreal'11, Paris'11, Madrid'12, Toronto'12 & Paris'12 were won without beating top 4 opposition. (Paris'10 & '12 won by non top 4 players.) These events weren't overrated? Beating Murray & Djokovic twice and schooling three consecutive clay courters (one of whom had beaten Novak for the loss of 4 games) is in no way overrated.
Wow, I just realised that. He definitely doesn't have a good record on clay.
Not even a single final in any clay tournament:
Carpet courts? DO they still have them?
No, they were banned back in 2009.
So does that mean my 6 consecutive carpet titles in the 'sitting room' champions mean nothing anymore?
Let's say it as it is: clay is his worst surface.
He has never even made a final at a clay tournament. But I have no doubt the ITF/ATP will do its best to propel him to a final and then eventually a title. That's the new way tennis works, don't you know. It's not about players adapting to the courts and conditions, it's about the tournaments adapting for the players. How else did the clay court specialist win a career grand slam?:evil:
So you are suggesting ATP sets up the tournaments so it favors the popular players?
No harm in believing, but never making the final of any clay tournament to winning RG is a big leap. probably better to talk about winning a clay title, going deep at RG, perhaps beating one of the other top 5 players there. Maybe he can win RG in the future but i don't see it this year but we will have to wait til the clay masters to see. if Nadal and djokovic had injuries then he could win it.
well either that or they alter the conditions to favour players who haven't won it all. I'm sure RG is trying to figure out a way to keep Nadal from winning their tournament again. It's becoming boring. The most exciting thing about RG is hoping for an upset.
Maybe RG should switch to blue clay. :lol:
Murray will get to match point in the final of RG against Nadal/Djokovic, but then as he hits an ace to seal the match, a ball will fall out of his pocket yet again, therefore the serve won't count. He'll then stop to pick up a feather, and will double fault. Then he'll lose the match.
How about a beach tennis tournament?
They tried and failed in 2011.
If at first you don't succeed, try, try again!:twisted:
i know..i saw that interview, but ive always felt he dos'nt play enough..if he played more he could drop his worst results off his 18 tourneys (if he even plays that many now)..but its up to him obviously..:-|
he is good on clay but i think it takes him longer to adjust/ get into it..anyway i am not his coach so thats that on we go..its time to run up and down miami beach (theres plenty of it).
as a women said in the 1967 film 'TONY ROME' with frank sinatra..
"Miami beach..20miles of sand looking for a city, 20miles of pure jerks",
not that murray is a jerk, i just remembered that quote..bwahahahah.
They play completely different games. The FO suits Soderling's style of play believe it or not; The slowness and the type of bounce on the court fits right into his game plan.
The reason his ranking isn't better aren't smaller events. He has to do better in Masters to improve his ranking and you can't substitute those for 250s. That's why he plays less events to prepare better for those that really matter. I'm sure he will train on clay in Miami though.
He HAS to play 4 500s (or 3 and MC), so I'm sure he will, unless he's injured.
4 Slams + 9 Masters (MC is confirmed) + 3/4 500s (likely: Barcelona, Tokyo, Basel/Valencia) + Brisbane + Queens = 18/19 events
Did Kuerten ever reach a clay court ATP final before the French Open final of 1997?
I believe it was the first final he had ever reached on any surface. Not just slam final but first ever main tour final.
Dont you know Muzza already won the French Open
Then he woke up
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