Murray Injury
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Red Rick
Bionic Poster
You know how long a hip replacement lasts for old people who don't use it a lot? Like 15 years if you're lucky.
If Murray wants to play tennis with a full hip prosthesis, he'll break it in a year, do more damage, and success on recurring hip replacements decreases drastically.
Badabing888
Hall of Fame
Not all hip injuries are the same.
I understand not all hip injuries are the same. That’s why I asked if anyone knew what it was about Murray’s injury that made it so it could not be corrected with a hip replacement.
With respect to the durability of a prosthesis, I note that Bob Bryan just had his hip replaced with a steel prosthesis, and he was back on court in under six months. I doubt he is planning on blowing it out within a year. Of course, different players react differently. And just because it’s possible for one doesn’t mean it’s possible for all. I’m just wondering if anyone has any insight into the particular circumstances of Andy’s injury that make it so difficult to treat.
With respect to the durability of a prosthesis, I note that Bob Bryan just had his hip replaced with a steel prosthesis, and he was back on court in under six months. I doubt he is planning on blowing it out within a year. Of course, different players react differently. And just because it’s possible for one doesn’t mean it’s possible for all. I’m just wondering if anyone has any insight into the particular circumstances of Andy’s injury that make it so difficult to treat.
Alexrb
Professional
You're also comparing a singles player to a doubles player. Murray moves in one game about as much as Bob does in a match.
That’s definitely true, and Andy’s style of play is more dependent on movement. Is the viability of a replacement based on expected movement? I honestly (and obviously) do not have the medical knowledge—which is why I’m asking.
Do you think Andy’s treatment options were more limited because the doctors took into account the fact that he’s a singles player who relies more on movement?
Obviously, Andy is getting the best treatment possible. And there is doubtless a very definitive reason why a replacement would not be an ideal (or even viable) treatment for him. I’m just wondering if anyone knows the reason.
Do you think Andy’s treatment options were more limited because the doctors took into account the fact that he’s a singles player who relies more on movement?
Obviously, Andy is getting the best treatment possible. And there is doubtless a very definitive reason why a replacement would not be an ideal (or even viable) treatment for him. I’m just wondering if anyone knows the reason.
Badabing888
Hall of Fame
https://stv.tv/sport/tennis/1434202-surgeon-s-warning-as-andy-murray-begins-2019-season/
This is what the surgeon said who operated on his hip . Replace his hip and his career at the elite end of singles was certainly over. At least this buys him time to play again, but doubtful he’ll ever get back to being in contention to win slams again.
This is what the surgeon said who operated on his hip . Replace his hip and his career at the elite end of singles was certainly over. At least this buys him time to play again, but doubtful he’ll ever get back to being in contention to win slams again.
wangs78
Legend
Nothing short of growing some new cartilage in a lab and sculpting that to exactly fit into Andy’s hip socket is going to get him back to champion level tennis. Not saying he cannot win a tournament, but the consistent level he exhibited week in and week out for 10 years is not possible anymore.
markwillplay
Hall of Fame
Today's be hip replacements can last much longer...much longer. Hip scopes are very unsuccessful after a certain amount of damage is done.
Mainad
Bionic Poster
The surgeon's comments spoke volumes. He cannot repair Andy's hip, only shore it up a little but nowhere near good enough for him to play at his elite level again. I can't tell you how bad I am feeling about this right now but, sadly, facts are facts.
NatF
Bionic Poster
The surgeon's comments spoke volumes. He cannot repair Andy's hip, only shore it up a little but nowhere near good enough for him to play at his elite level again. I can't tell you how bad I am feeling about this right now but, sadly, facts are facts.
Hopefully at the very least he'll be able to get to a point where he's not dealing with so much pain - no idea how realistic that is though. Even if he's not able to play at 100% again if he can at least compete pain-free I think Murray would take that - he clearly has a fire in him to keep playing regardless of ranking etc...
But yeah it doesn't look good at all
Mainad
Bionic Poster
Hopefully at the very least he'll be able to get to a point where he's not dealing with so much pain - no idea how realistic that is though. Even if he's not able to play at 100% again if he can at least compete pain-free I think Murray would take that - he clearly has a fire in him to keep playing regardless of ranking etc...
But yeah it doesn't look good at all
But if you can't play your best anymore what on earth is the point? Getting humiliated repeatedly in R1 or 2 by guys he used to routine in his heyday? Does he really want that just for the sake of being on a tennis court? I know I wouldn't if I were him but, of course, I'm not. I just hope he acts sensibly about it before he suffers any further hip damage and won't be able to walk let alone run!
NatF
Bionic Poster
But if you can't play your best anymore what on earth is the point? Getting humiliated repeatedly in R1 or 2 by guys he used to routine in his heyday? Does he really want that just for the sake of being on a tennis court? I know I wouldn't if I were him but, of course, I'm not. I just hope he acts sensibly about it before he suffers any further hip damage and won't be able to walk let alone run!
If Murray can play without pain I think he can do better than just go out in the R1 or R2.
There's lot of players that have had injuries and had to adjust to a lower ceiling, look at a guy like Lleyton Hewitt he had multiple surgeries, fell outside the top 100 at times but carried on competing because he loved the game. If Murray has that same love for the game he'll still be able to find fulfilment from just competing.
Above all though Murray should think about his life after tennis, which I'm sure he is.
BeatlesFan
Bionic Poster
@Mainad, please don't give up complete hope with Andy, you're such a devoted and great fan of us. It doesn't look good right now, but try and think positively for 2019. Andy is looking very fit and has a passion for the game that none of the young gen has. Let's never write his tennis obituary until he himself pulls the plug on his career. Hopefully that won't happen for many years.The surgeon's comments spoke volumes. He cannot repair Andy's hip, only shore it up a little but nowhere near good enough for him to play at his elite level again. I can't tell you how bad I am feeling about this right now but, sadly, facts are facts.
tennis_pro
Bionic Poster
This really is over for him.
BeatlesFan
Bionic Poster
Maybe it's over at the elite level, but look at it like this: even a healthy Murray probably would never have won another major. He'll be 32 in a couple months. What's to say he couldn't compete in and win 250's? Or get to the QF's or semis of bigger events? Andy just said again how much he loves competing and playing tennis. Plenty of guys who won slams spent years of their careers not winning another (Roddick, Hewitt, Connors, etc.)
Red Rick
Bionic Poster
I don't really think Roddick applies here, cause he quit pretty quickly after he dropped out of the top 10 and stopped being a threat at Slams.
Maybe it's for the better he was slightly injured at the 2010 Aussie Open. I don't think I could've taken another Fed Chelem beatdown.
BeatlesFan
Bionic Poster
He played three full years after making his last slam final in 2009, as you know.
He did nothing in majors after that Wimbledon final, though he won a Masters 1000. If Roddick could hang around for years not being a factor in majors, I don't see why Muzz can't, as long as he manages his pain.
Red Rick
Bionic Poster
Lack of results doesn't directly mean it's over. Had a great HC spring in 2010, finaling IW and winning Miami, including a win over Nadal, almost made the Aussie semi's again. I think he then got injured during the clay season and then it was a slow downhill. He basically rushed for the nearest exit after he realised he couldn't make it back to the top 10.He played three full years after making his last slam final in 2009, as you know.
Mainad
Bionic Poster
@Mainad, please don't give up complete hope with Andy, you're such a devoted and great fan of us. It doesn't look good right now, but try and think positively for 2019. Andy is looking very fit and has a passion for the game that none of the young gen has. Let's never write his tennis obituary until he himself pulls the plug on his career. Hopefully that won't happen for many years.
Much as I want to hope (and believe me I so REALLY want to hope), I just can't ignore the evidence before my own eyes. Since the summer of 2018, he actually seems to have got worse instead of showing any signs of steady improvement. Back last summer, he could still play close matches or even win against quality players ranked many places above him eg. Kyrgios at Queen's, Wawrinka at Eastbourne and reached the quarters of a 500 event unbeaten. Now he can barely win a match anywhere and competing with quality players has become practically impossible eg. his 2 successive losses to Verdasco (a guy he used to routine), his beatdown from Medvedev and the embarrassing spectacle of his exho match against Djokovic which he couldn't even finish. I can't bear to think what RBA will do to him if and when they meet in the 1st round at this year's AO.
It's no shame after the career he has just had to admit that the odds are now impossibly stacked against him. I had already given him until this season to start showing any consistent improvement and, early as it still is, he clearly isn't showing any. It gives me nothing but grief and anguish to have to say this but I now want him to retire with dignity and with his head held high rather than be forced to endure beatdown after beatdown from guys he once would eat for breakfast.
EDIT:
Hardly finished posting this when my worst fears were confirmed. I feel I'm in the grip of an ongoing nightmare from which I can't escape:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/46833018
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BGod
G.O.A.T.
What does everyone here think about a hypothetical where Murray doesn't have the injured back in 2014? I gotta think he's a bigger force 2014-2016, maybe gets Slams over Wawrinka. He was clearly ascending in 2012-2013 and then had a step back. I don't think he ever got back to that and if he wasn't injured he can only get better.
Bummer. I hope he can make it to Wimbledon and retire on his terms. Absolute legend.
http://www.espn.com/tennis/story/_/id/25731494/andy-murray-announces-plans-retire-tennis-future
http://www.espn.com/tennis/story/_/id/25731494/andy-murray-announces-plans-retire-tennis-future
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Nostradamus
Bionic Poster
Bob Bryan is doubles player, totally different but even bob bryan's days are numbered and he is looking at limited number of years or months that he can play doubles. Hip Replacement is career ending injury for world class tennis player.
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Jhreamer
Guest
Very sad to get this news. If it's as serious as he says, I really hope he can at least get to a point where he can be comfortable day-to-day. I rooted for Andy a ton when I first became a fan, and I'm sad to see his career dealt this card.
Respect to the man and his base, and all the best.
Nostradamus
Bionic Poster
Andy's goal now should be get that pain under control enough where he will be able to play with his kids when they are old enough to want to play some sports.
SQA333
Hall of Fame
Didn't Bob Bryan get a hip replacement
TripleATeam
G.O.A.T.
Jinxes are real.@Mainad, please don't give up complete hope with Andy, you're such a devoted and great fan of us. It doesn't look good right now, but try and think positively for 2019. Andy is looking very fit and has a passion for the game that none of the young gen has. Let's never write his tennis obituary until he himself pulls the plug on his career. Hopefully that won't happen for many years.
HetTheGreaterer
Banned
Miss you mury goat
VaporDude95
Banned
Guys, I know you all want to see the best in this scenario, but it’s been coming for a very long time and Andy knows it.
20 months with pain. That’s almost 2 years. I’ve been waiting for Andy to call time on his career for a while now. That’s the sad fact of the whole thing.
20 months with pain. That’s almost 2 years. I’ve been waiting for Andy to call time on his career for a while now. That’s the sad fact of the whole thing.
tacou
G.O.A.T.
So, Murray discussed Bob specifically in the press conference and said they'd been in regular contact. He said doubles is less intense than singles.
Furthermore, Murray basically said what everyone is saying here: if he chose to get this surgery, it would not be with the hopes of returning to tennis, but with an eye on his general quality of life. That said, Murray implied that if he had the surgery and was able to return to competing at a high level, he would.
