Murray out of Montreal

[Deleted member 743561]

Or we could have a grass masters that's not Halle or Queens

I don't think it's happening. As I think about it, I'm surprised they added that 250 at the Turkish resort.

 

[DreddyTennis45]

I don't think it's happening. As I think about it, I'm surprised they added that 250 at the Turkish resort.

I went on holiday there about 7 years ago

 

[Bukmeikara]

I dont know why but I am pretty certain that it wont be a Fedal final and I expect a first time winner from the lost generation.

 

[West Coast Ace]

Tough times for this tourney in this crowded part of the ATP calendar. Wonder if there are any tweaks they can make to right the ship... Settling on a single city for their event may be a start.

Agree to disagree. I think the MTL - TO ATP/WTA yearly switch is pure genius.

I still think this will be a good tournament.

Hips are tough; if he wasn't really ready this is for the best. Better to be ready for the USO.

 

[mightyjeditribble]

Yeah, thinking that must be the biggest reason. I'm actually also thinking that somebody may have come to the conclusion (long before me) that grass as a pro tennis surface is on borrowed time...

I've heard it said - not sure how true it is - that the limitations of the site mean Queens Club couldn't host MS.

How about making Hamburg a pre-Wimbledon grass MS? What happened to that event is sad.
Not sure whether grass would work there with the roof though.

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[mightyjeditribble]

I've heard it said - not sure how true it is - that the limitations of the site mean Queens Club couldn't host MS.

How about making Hamburg a pre-Wimbledon grass MS? What happened to that event is sad.
Not sure whether grass would work there with the roof though.

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Obviously going wildly OT here ... Sorry!

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[Deleted member 743561]

Agree to disagree. I think the MTL - TO ATP/WTA yearly switch is pure genius.

I still think this will be a good tournament.

Hips are tough; if he wasn't really ready this is for the best. Better to be ready for the USO.

Definitely like it in that sense; mixed event with no delays.

Will be good for sure.

The more talent USO gets the better for all concerned.

 

[Deleted member 743561]

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[mightyjeditribble]

I think I'd heard something similar. What did you mean specifically about the limitations?

So much potential for tour calendar improvement. If grass isn't cost effective for some of these places, I'd be fine with a swift hard court at this point.

I think it was meant to be about capacity - not sure whether crowd numbers, number of courts or both.

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[Phoenix1983]

They are freaks of nature, and I mean that in a good way. I don't think we'll ever see another duo or pair of players who are friends off the court, and have had as much success pretty much concurrently. I mean Fed started his career a bit before Nadal, but Fed didn't start to become Fed until 2003/2004, and then Nadal sort of arrived in 2005/2006. Amazing when you think about it. We are fortunate to be witness to their greatness. I practically cherish every moment these guys play, because I know that once they are gone, tennis really won't be the same.

Evert/Navratilova in the women's game are the only equivalent I can think of...

 

[Rafa the King]

So....
1 Nadal
2 Federer
3 Thiem
4 Zverev
5 Nishikori
6 Raonic
7 Dimitrov
8 Tsonga

 

[jaggy]

Good move with Cincy so close

 

[Jaitock1991]

is murray & djokovic withdrawing that big a deal? even when they're playing they've been non-factors this year...

Was thinking the same. People talk as if Fedal need them to not be there to have a chance, when clearly they're flat out better than both of them atm.

 

[ghostofMecir]

Andy Murray

Sadly I’ve had to withdraw from Montreal, it’s a tournament that I have a lot of great memories from. I’m working as hard as I can to get back on the court as soon as possible.

..........

not exactly Novak in length, so obviously expects to be back a lot sooner it would seem

I'm disappointed that Murray dropped a comma splice here.

 

[West Coast Ace]

I'm disappointed that Murray dropped a comma splice here.

Shakespeare spinning like a lathe in his grave no doubt. Oh the humanity!

 

[SLD76]

amazing, Fedal with the tour on their shoulders even more now

It's like it's 2007 again...for Fed

For Nadal it's like it's 2013 again

 

[Mainad]

I'm disappointed that Murray dropped a comma splice here.

Whereabouts? Couldn't see anything wrong with his comma placement.

 

[Red Rick]

Any tournament that has a Fed-Nadal final is a rousing success and there isn't one tournament director in the world who wouldn't agree. That's the dream final for ANY tournament, whether it's a 250 or a slam.

And that is exactly what's wrong with tennis media and tennis fans these days. There's plenty of tennis outside those two ancient players. And I'm not just talking about Djokovic, Murray and Wawrinka.

Fedal doesn't make a tournament, it makes a final, and with the way the matchup is going it's gonna be 3 and 3 for Freddie and it's hardly gonna be a match.

 

[ACE of Hearts]

People already putting nadal in the final. Guy hasn't won a hardcourt tournament in 3 years. I gotta see the draw first.

 

[Mainad]

People already putting nadal in the final. Guy hasn't won a hardcourt tournament in 3 years. I gotta see the draw first.

He'll be extra motivated though because the #1 ranking is on the line for him (he only has to reach the semis).

 

[ACE of Hearts]

He'll be extra motivated though because the #1 ranking is on the line for him (he only has to reach the semis).

That could be true but I have to see how his draw shakes out. We will see. I don't think players are afraid of him anymore on hardcourts.

 

[Fedberg20]

So....
1 Nadal
2 Federer
3 Thiem
4 Zverev
5 Nishikori
6 Raonic
7 Dimitrov
8 Tsonga

Still quite decent and could almost say good if the seeds 5-8 weren't in such poor form. I'd say the way Andy and Nole were playing they'd have little impact here.

Just wondering who do people think would be a worse/better matchup for Rafa/Roger from the nextgen on HC's - Zverev for Rog and Thiem for Rafa or the other way around?

 

[clayqueen]

If I had a pound for every comment like that I've read this year I'd be living on a yacht in the French Riviera. Yeah, they're great champions, legends of the game - we get it but bloody hell, no need to keep ramming it down our throats all the time.

Why not? Did you tire of ramming Djoker down our throats in his heyday? Even your name suggests that you want to hang on to 2011 for ever.

 

[clayqueen]

I dont know why but I am pretty certain that it wont be a Fedal final and I expect a first time winner from the lost generation.

There are plenty of troublemakers in the draw so don't put Fedal in the final yet.

 

[clayqueen]

Still quite decent and could almost say good if the seeds 5-8 weren't in such poor form. I'd say the way Andy and Nole were playing they'd have little impact here.

Just wondering who do people think would be a worse/better matchup for Rafa/Roger from the nextgen on HC's - Zverev for Rog and Thiem for Rafa or the other way around?

I'm not worried about Zverev or Thiem because they can't take the racquet out of Fedal's hands; it's the servebots that bother me.

 

[Backspin1183]

Hopefully he will draw Muller in the quarter-final.

Murray had a good run which comes to an end now. Hope he comes back for the Asian hard court swing.

 

[Deleted member 743561]

I'm disappointed that Murray dropped a comma splice here.

Pity the forsaken semicolon. Ended in a preposition, too.

 

[Tennis_Hands]

Why not? Did you tire of ramming Djoker down our throats in his heyday? Even your name suggests that you want to hang on to 2011 for ever.

Your user name is clayqueen.

 

[MasturB]

People already putting nadal in the final. Guy hasn't won a hardcourt tournament in 3 years. I gotta see the draw first.

I mean his form on hardcourt has been pretty decent this year.

Final in Melbourne.
Final in Acapulco.
Lost to Fred in IW probably could have gone deep if he didn't draw him in early round.
Final in Miami.

So why is it out of the question for people to think Ralph can't or isn't likely to make the final here? This is coming from a Fred fan.

The only person who has beaten Ralph on hardcourt this year besides Fred GOATing is Sam Q who we know just made semis at Wimby.

So all things considered his has been a great comeback for Ralph on HCs.

 

[Tennis_Hands]

I'm not worried about Zverev or Thiem because they can't take the racquet out of Fedal's hands; it's the servebots that bother me.

Both can and will take the racquet off Little nephew's hands.

It is a matter of time.

 

[Steve0904]

I don't think it has anything to do with Montreal/Toronto alternating.

It's just sandwiched in between a noteworthy 500 as D.C. And Cinncy.

Most people will play Cinncy since it's faster conditions and right before USO.

Also, the placement of it relative to the Olympics has hurt it I think. 2012 and 2016 both had weak draws IIRC.

 

[West Coast Ace]

So why is it out of the question for people to think Ralph can't or isn't likely to make the final here? This is coming from a Fred fan.

Besides losing to - and getting hit off the court by - Pouille and Fognini at the US Open the last 2 years? Both of whom are much better on clay. Many think the USTA will want to cash in on Fed Mania - conditions will be faster than last year.

I'd love to - finally - see a Fed - Nadal USO final. But Nadal has had other good years on hard - and never made it to the final when Fed did.

(Note: Fed could get upset R16/QF by some big hitter who gets hot too)

 

[MasturB]

Besides losing to - and getting hit off the court by - Pouille and Fognini at the US Open the last 2 years? Both of whom are much better on clay. Many think the USTA will want to cash in on Fed Mania - conditions will be faster than last year.

I'd love to - finally - see a Fed - Nadal USO final. But Nadal has had other good years on hard - and never made it to the final when Fed did.

(Note: Fed could get upset R16/QF by some big hitter who gets hot too)

Well Nadal on HC in 2017 is not the same as he was the last two years.

He's obviously improved his game on hardcourt. He was tested by younger guys in Melbourne and made to final.

 

[Mainad]

Pity the forsaken semicolon. Ended in a preposition, too.

Legend has it that someone once accused Churchill of ending a sentence with a preposition and he promptly replied, "Sir, that is an imposition up with which I shall not put!"

 

[Deleted member 743561]

Legend has it that someone once accused Churchill of ending a sentence with a preposition and he promptly replied, "Sir, that is an imposition up with which I shall not put!"

haha great

 

[JMR]

Whereabouts? Couldn't see anything wrong with his comma placement.

He incorrectly used a comma to join two independent clauses in a sentence. He should have used a semicolon or a period between the clauses instead. To keep the comma, Murray should have introduced the second clause with a word such as "because."

Comma splices are so common in today's writing, especially on the Net, that many people believe they are correct.

 

[Mainad]

He incorrectly used a comma to join two independent clauses in a sentence. He should have used a semicolon or a period between the clauses instead. To keep the comma, Murray should have introduced the second clause with a word such as "because."

Comma splices are so common in today's writing, especially on the Net, that many people believe they are correct.

I understand what you're saying. Semi-colons are a vanishing breed, aren't they? Still, these are sportsmen we're talking about and few of them are as well versed as you or I in the niceties of English grammar. I guess we should be grateful some of them still use commas even if they don't always use them properly.

 

[Deleted member 743561]

I understand what you're saying. Semi-colons are a vanishing breed, aren't they? Still, these are sportsmen we're talking about and few of them are as well versed as you or I in the niceties of English grammar. I guess we should be grateful some of them still use commas even if they don't always use them properly.

If he actually typed it, that in itself may be something to celebrate. Depending on the grade of the stars I operate under the assumption that most of their PR stuff is outsourced.

 

[mightyjeditribble]

He incorrectly used a comma to join two independent clauses in a sentence. He should have used a semicolon or a period between the clauses instead. To keep the comma, Murray should have introduced the second clause with a word such as "because."

Comma splices are so common in today's writing, especially on the Net, that many people believe they are correct.

Comma splices: historical and informal, not wrong

"Comma splices were unexceptional in the 18th century; the Merriam-Webster Dictionary of English Usage offers examples from Daniel Defoe, Jonathan Swift, and Benjamin Franklin."

As to the old one, I knew not what to do with him, he was so fierce I durst not go into the pit to him — (Daniel Defoe, Robinson Crusoe, 1719)

https://motivatedgrammar.wordpress.com/2012/07/23/comma-splices-historical-and-informal-not-wrong/

https://www.economist.com/blogs/johnson/2012/01/punctuation

https://stancarey.wordpress.com/2010/04/29/oh-the-splices-youll-see/


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[D.Nalby12]

Glad Federer is playing. Nobody would have stopped Nads otherwise.

 

[JMR]

Comma splices: historical and informal, not wrong

Almost every solecism has a well-documented past. A purely descriptive grammar is of use only to professors of linguistics. If we want to write well -- clearly and engagingly -- we must employ prescriptive grammar, which means labeling some usages as "wrong." Otherwise, every student who misspells a word will cite Shakespeare as a justification.

 

[*Sparkle*]

Last year there was no Nadal or Federer in Canada either.

This year there's no Djokovic or Murray, and yet nobody seems overly disappointed.

Murray wasn't there last year either, and quite a few more missed it because they wanted to be fresh for the Olympics. In their favour, the Canadians have a couple of local players in Raonic and rising star Shapovalov who can fill column inches. It's always going to be disappointing for any tournament to lose the top ranked players, and former champions, but with an aging top ten, we should get used to this, and a reminder to give the younger players more attention.

If he actually typed it, that in itself may be something to celebrate. Depending on the grade of the stars I operate under the assumption that most of their PR stuff is outsourced.

I always assume Murray's facebook updates are by his management team, albeit someone close to him. Whereas he did his own twitter, which he can't be arsed with anymore.

 

[TearTheRoofOff]

People already putting nadal in the final. Guy hasn't won a hardcourt tournament in 3 years. I gotta see the draw first.

He has however made plenty of hard court finals in that period, including two this year.

 

[mightyjeditribble]

Almost every solecism has a well-documented past. A purely descriptive grammar is of use only to professors of linguistics. If we want to write well -- clearly and engagingly -- we must employ prescriptive grammar, which means labeling some usages as "wrong." Otherwise, every student who misspells a word will cite Shakespeare as a justification.

Look I'm German so all for clear grammatical rules in principle, but English doesn't quite work like that. It's one of the charms of the language in my opinion. Being needlessly strict on Grammar can be just as bad as being careless.

I once had a copyeditor try to insist that I mustn't use the inanimate "whose". It would have been a disaster for the article.

I do agree, however, that one out to be aware of the rules and conventions, and break then only with good reason. There is a difference between formal and informal usage as well, however.

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[JMR]

Look I'm German so all for clear grammatical rules in principle, but English doesn't quite work like that. It's one of the charms of the language in my opinion. Being needlessly strict on Grammar can be just as bad as being careless.

Are you trying to instruct me on how English works? No one is being "needlessly strict" here. There are no editorial rules for posting in this forum. Another poster made a joke -- a JOKE! -- about the fact that Murray (not a member here) had used a comma splice. A second poster did not understand that complaint, so I explained it. Subsequent attempts to argue that comma splices are not really wrong are just misdirected pedantry.

 

[Deleted member 743561]

Are you trying to instruct me on how English works? No one is being "needlessly strict" here. There are no editorial rules for posting in this forum. Another poster made a joke -- a JOKE! -- about the fact that Murray (not a member here) had used a comma splice. A second poster did not understand that complaint, so I explained it. Subsequent attempts to argue that comma splices are not really wrong are just misdirected pedantry.

I can see both sides. While some conventions are critical for clarity and concision (IMO), the fluidity and malleability of the English language is one of its most unique and powerful characteristics, for my money.

 

[mightyjeditribble]

Are you trying to instruct me on how English works? No one is being "needlessly strict" here. There are no editorial rules for posting in this forum. Another poster made a joke -- a JOKE! -- about the fact that Murray (not a member here) had used a comma splice. A second poster did not understand that complaint, so I explained it. Subsequent attempts to argue that comma splices are not really wrong are just misdirected pedantry.

I just made a contribution to a topic that came up and that I find intriguing, namely the flexibility of English grammar. I thought it was worth pointing out that comma splices - while often inelegant - are by no means "incorrect".

Off-topic for sure, but I thought it was possible to have a friendly exchange about it. Sorry that it bothered you ...

 

[mightyjeditribble]

I can see both sides. While some conventions are critical for clarity and concision (IMO), the fluidity and malleability of the English language is one of its most unique and powerful characteristics, for my money.

Agreed. I discovered this back in the day, when I naively tried to find the "rules" for placing commas in English.

German is rather different in this respect. I am sure there are some grey areas, but generally the rules are quite strict and clear-cut.

 

[hipolymer]

Has a Mario Kart tourney to prepare for

 

[MichaelNadal]

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Montreal next week will be the first time that Rafael Nadal and Roger Federer have been top two seeds at a Masters since Monte Carlo 2011.