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Ragamuffin

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This is the last pj of Murray personal PT57A

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Does anybody know why the label "Pro" disappeared from this Radical pj?
 
jmacdaununder2 said:
So he’s endorsing a paint job with a paint job?o_O:sneaky:
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Exactly. And AM stick is a 16x19 head will never sell. This reminds me of the Agassi 25 anniversary radical OS. Endorsing a pj of a pj.
But what s the point? Why can’t head have pros simply endorsing what they use ?
 
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Alexh22 said:
Exactly. And AM stick is a 16x19 head will never sell. This reminds me of the Agassi 25 anniversary radical OS. Endorsing a pj of a pj.
But what a the point? Why can’t head have pros simply endorsing what they use ?
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Why can’t Wilson do that?
Yonex??
Babolat??
What does your signature mean??? Is that H22 that 20 pros are using available to me and you?
How about Medvedev TF? Tipsa’s??
 
Do two wrongs make a right ? head had two players in the big four and they still screwed up. It is actually harder to fail yet they pulled off those misleading campaigns and ruined the radical and prestige line.
I don’t even buy head products but it gives me a strange feeling to see how things evolved since 2010 when they had the opportunity to market two biggest stars. I have no interest to hold on for another 25 years for them to put out another anniversary PJ.

dr325i said:
Why can’t Wilson do that?
Yonex??
Babolat??
What does your signature mean??? Is that H22 that 20 pros are using available to me and you?
How about Medvedev TF? Tipsa’s??
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Alexh22 said:
Do two wrongs make a right ? head had two players in the big four and they still screwed up. It is actually harder to fail yet they pulled off those misleading campaigns and ruined the radical and prestige line.
I don’t even buy head products but it gives me a strange feeling to see how things evolved since 2010 when they had the opportunity to market two biggest stars. I have no interest to hold on for another 25 years for them to put out another anniversary PJ.
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They are a smart business, they market to the masses. The average club hack doesn't know what a H22 is but they definitely know that the "blade" is Tsitsipas' stick. I agree with you and would love for H22s and H19s and PT57As to be publicly available but it isn't feasible for the manufacturer. That isn't even taking into consideration that "prostocks" are made better than retail sticks.
 
henrytennisadelaide said:
They are a smart business, they market to the masses. The average club hack doesn't know what a H22 is but they definitely know that the "blade" is Tsitsipas' stick. I agree with you and would love for H22s and H19s and PT57As to be publicly available but it isn't feasible for the manufacturer. That isn't even taking into consideration that "prostocks" are made better than retail sticks.
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What do you mean that it isn't feasible? IMHO, it's definitely feasible, but from a business perspective it is just more profitable to mass-produce the crap they market today rather than focusing on high-quality materials and craftsmanship – their profit margins and therefore their competitiveness compared to other brands are a lot better with the first option and that's mainly what counts for them. And I totally get that – I guess we all do – but that does still not make it right that they produce low-quality stuff and makes the average consumer think he/she wants it "because that's what the pros use". Money makes the world go round, and so does marketing bs.
 
Alexh22 said:
Do two wrongs make a right ? head had two players in the big four and they still screwed up. It is actually harder to fail yet they pulled off those misleading campaigns and ruined the radical and prestige line.
I don’t even buy head products but it gives me a strange feeling to see how things evolved since 2010 when they had the opportunity to market two biggest stars. I have no interest to hold on for another 25 years for them to put out another anniversary PJ.
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They screwed up???
How? Guess what are Head’s two top selling lines?
Radical and Speed!
So, having had two of the big 4 endorse those lines definitely did the job!
Guess what is the third highest selling line - Gravity, you got that right. So having Zverev and Barty playing those does the job.
head did an EXCELLENT JOB with marketing and utilizing contracts with players.
They did make mistake with the Prestige line and endorsements however, they realized that and are on the road to recovery.

you have no idea what are you talking about. You’re in the mode of picking on Head that is doing the same thing as the rest of industry and doing a damn good job with it
 
rlau said:
What do you mean that it isn't feasible? IMHO, it's definitely feasible, but from a business perspective it is just more profitable to mass-produce the crap they market today rather than focusing on high-quality materials and craftsmanship – their profit margins and therefore their competitiveness compared to other brands are a lot better with the first option and that's mainly what counts for them. And I totally get that – I guess we all do – but that does still not make it right that they produce low-quality stuff and makes the average consumer think he/she wants it "because that's what the pros use". Money makes the world go round, and so does marketing bs.
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I fully agree with you. Plus. H22 for example is actually not more expensive to make. They come from the same factories overseas that makes retail W sticks. H22 is a unique stick and only came out in smaller quantities. But for whatever reason W refuse to sell this stick to the public yet ship out tons of low quality shelf filler sticks worldwide. How companies like head and w ignore all their money maker products is beyond me.
 
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Alexh22 said:
I fully agree with you. Plus. H22 for example is actually not more expensive to make. They come from the same factories overseas that makes retail W sticks. H22 is a unique stick and only came out in smaller quantities. But for whatever reason W refuse to sell this stick to the public yet ship out tons of low quality shelf filler sticks worldwide. How companies like head and w ignore all their money maker products is beyond me.
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Are you really the “H22 material”? (You May be btw, just asking)
How about the other 99.2% of tennis playing population?
 
dr325i said:
They screwed up???
How? Guess what are Head’s two top selling lines?
Radical and Speed!
So, having had two of the big 4 endorse those lines definitely did the job!
Guess what is the third highest selling line - Gravity, you got that right. So having Zverev and Barty playing those does the job.
head did an EXCELLENT JOB with marketing and utilizing contracts with players.
They did make mistake with the Prestige line and endorsements however, they realized that and are on the road to recovery.

you have no idea what are you talking about. You’re in the mode of picking on Head that is doing the same thing as the rest of industry and doing a damn good job with it
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dr325 you have no right to judge others intelligence this way. It is funny to see ppl like you and hh going after my post and pet themselves in the back repeatedly for the so called dm good job they did. You are comparing the sale within your OWN head brand. Do you dare to compare sales with Wilson and babolat?

The impartiality of your view is so questionable some say it is so out of touch. What are the good sticks they let you play with are available to the public today ? None!

the fact is head did everything they can to cut cost and treated their customers like fools. This Murray pt57 paint job the op showed is a perfect example. I know it, many people know it and there is nothing you can do to change it because you cannot make decision for head.
 
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Alexh22 said:
It is funny to see ppl like you and hh going after my post and pet themselves in the back repeatedly for the so called dm good job they did. The impartiality of your view is so questionable some say it is so out of touch. What are the good sticks they let you play with are available to the public today ? None!
the fact is head did everything they can to cut cost and treated their customers like fools. I know it, many people know it and there is nothing you can do to change it.
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I don’t see anything “funny” there, however:
What are gods sticks sold to public???
head Gravity (Pro and MP) are IDENTICAL sticks sold to the public and those that Zverev, Rublev and Barty use.
there are PLENTY of Speed players that use the same stick sold to public
There are PLENTY of previous generation Prestige (293) sticks sold to public that Pros use.
Struff (spelling) uses what is sold to public
Hasse and a few other players use Radical sold to public.
surely, they are Pro stock versions so that these guys can customize, however, same layup, same materials, same factories...

do you need more examples??

good wilson sticks?
I’d say RF97A is not so bad and a few guys use them
Latest Blade V7 is a great stick as I previously pointed out.

there are TONS of good and competitive sticks out there.

is the H22 really needed to be released to market? PT113B or 346? Absolutely not!
It will cost them more to manufacture and will be appeal to us, geeks on this forum, 99.5% of buyers would care less...

On the other hand, the re-release of the legends like PT2.0, Pro Staff 95, MG Radical MP has a lot more appeal as some of us have grown up with those...

all manufacturers, including Head make mistakes last 5, 6, 7 years (graphene, yikes) but at least head has acknowledged that and moving into the right direction. In the end, they are business and all about profits, just like the company you or I work for...
 
I already spoke the fact. if loyal customers don’t deserve at least some honest products, I cannot help you. And once again, two wrongs don’t make a right.

dr325i said:
I don’t see anything “funny” there, however:
What are gods sticks sold to public???
head Gravity (Pro and MP) are IDENTICAL sticks sold to the public and those that Zverev, Rublev and Barty use.
there are PLENTY of Speed players that use the same stick sold to public
There are PLENTY of previous generation Prestige (293) sticks sold to public that Pros use.
Struff (spelling) uses what is sold to public
Hasse and a few other players use Radical sold to public.
surely, they are Pro stock versions so that these guys can customize, however, same layup, same materials, same factories...

do you need more examples??

good wilson sticks?
I’d say RF97A is not so bad and a few guys use them
Latest Blade V7 is a great stick as I previously pointed out.

there are TONS of good and competitive sticks out there.

is the H22 really needed to be released to market? PT113B or 346? Absolutely not!
It will cost them more to manufacture and will be appeal to us, geeks on this forum, 99.5% of buyers would care less...

On the other hand, the re-release of the legends like PT2.0, Pro Staff 95, MG Radical MP has a lot more appeal as some of us have grown up with those...

all manufacturers, including Head make mistakes last 5, 6, 7 years (graphene, yikes) but at least head has acknowledged that and moving into the right direction. In the end, they are business and all about profits, just like the company you or I work for...
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Alexh22 said:
I already spoke the fact. if loyal customers don’t deserve at least some honest products, I cannot help you. And once again, two wrongs don’t make a right.
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You simply do not understand how business works. You have no clue how marketing works.
you are right, no point to discuss this with someone totally illiterate in the area...
 
dr325 ,Your arrogance is only matched by your lack of common curtesy and interpersonal skills. A big talker on a forum. Stop following my posts and spread your biased self righteous claims which are less than nothing to me. I don’t want to know what your background is but If you cannot bear the slightest difference in views and opinions, I cannot help you.

You are on head s payroll aren’t you.
dr325i said:
You simply do not understand how business works. You have no clue how marketing works.
you are right, no point to discuss this with someone totally illiterate in the area...
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Alexh22 said:
dr325 ,Your arrogance is only matched by your lack of common curtesy and interpersonal skills. A big talker on a forum. Stop following my posts and spread your biased self righteous claims which are less than nothing to me. I don’t want to know what your background is but If you cannot bear the slightest difference in views and opinions, I cannot help you.
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My arrogance???
You keep spitting on one brand and your name promotes the exact thing you are spitting on (H22).
If that is not arrogance, then, it is stupidity.
And YES, you are clueless about sales and marketing...and business in general...

I am finished with you and I hope TW admins realize there is no place for people like you on these boards...
 
Ragamuffin said:
I have only hit with it on the wall like Federer on IG. In any case it's not my intention to use it to play...
If you are interested the specs are:
354 grams
33 balance
370 SW
RA 57

Anyway its was not my intention to create such a flame war posting these pictures. I am sorry.
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Ignore the people arguing. Everyone appreciates you posting these pictures. Great stuff.

I can understand not wanting to hit with it. It's a real collectors piece. Thanks for posting.
 
Alexh22 said:
dr325 ,Your arrogance is only matched by your lack of common curtesy and interpersonal skills. A big talker on a forum. Stop following my posts and spread your biased self righteous claims which are less than nothing to me. I don’t want to know what your background is but If you cannot bear the slightest difference in views and opinions, I cannot help you.
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your "Head is soooo bad" doesn't make you a better conversation partner in the Head related topics.
Before bashing someone, look in the mirror.
 
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