Murray PT57A2...
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lidoazndiabloboi
Hall of Fame
Few others from their IG
vsbabolat
G.O.A.T.
HEAD should just sell this racquet already! @HEAD Penn Official
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lidoazndiabloboi
Hall of Fame
Babolat gives what the customers want. Wilson has followed. Still waiting on Head...
vsbabolat
G.O.A.T.
Its HEAD corporate policy not to give the customer what they want.
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jmacdaununder2
Legend
Maate, I've been waiting over twenty years!!
Q: Why is the bride always smiling? A: 'Cause she knows she's given her last BJ!!
SpinToWin
Talk Tennis Guru
*she’s given her last HeadMaate, I've been waiting over twenty years!!
jmacdaununder2
Legend
My wife gave up playing seriously after college; she said that back then, she was mostly stroking mid size, but that there was this one time she got her hands on this big black Prince; she wasn't sure how many inches it was exactly, but she said that it was definitely oversize, and too big to control properly, and that balls were flying every which way - on the rare occasions that she's had a whack since, she's been happy enough easing my mid plus back and forth...
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FedLIKEnot
Professional
I am not sure what has happened in this thread ... but I love the racquet, like the paintjob and love the unique cap grommets. That said I am going back to demoing racquets have the Radical Pro in there if I were to go with it cap grommets and a bit weight in the handle would get it to my specs. Than again I love cap grommets visually.
vsbabolat
G.O.A.T.
You can't buy the racquet in the photos..........
FedLIKEnot
Professional
You do this all the time to others; I made it clear I love the racquet LIKE the paintjob. I am clearly dropping the hint that I know that. Yes I know his racquet isn't commercially available. However if I didn't the first post made it clear as do the numerous comments about how HEAD wont make THAT racquet (PT57a2) any longer. I did pass 4th grade (US) English so I know a context clue when I see one.
But Trolls gotta troll I suppose.....
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TennisHound
Legend
It was a Captain Obvious statement, but a little overplayed maybe, on the response?
FedLIKEnot
Professional
Perhaps but its annoying, I just hate the constants attempt at "gotcha". Consider it a lifetime achievement award of sorts.
zalive
Hall of Fame
Cheap, not stupid
It would be interesting though if Head suddenly decided to go for the head, and release a PT57 16x19...Wilson didn't do this with H19 yet.
What if Wilson does it within next few years? UT success may determine a lot for the future.
zalive
Hall of Fame
I'll tell the truth, but many won't like it.
When you see the players community, 18x20 is a niche, open patterns are the market.
Head's legacy best reknown models are outdated in the eyes of modern players. So they did look to offer open pattern alternatives, but what made Head famous is not for the wide players community.
Concerns for this company is what community desires most, like 100'' head sized racquets, not some players 18x20 legacy racquets.
It requires quite a skill to handle a 18x20 95'' racquet and play your best tennis with it, no matter what specs. It's for rare players with really great strokes. Others will try it, then switch after realizing they win more points with something else.
On the other hand, 16x19 or even 16x18 flexy 95'' might be more interesting, as a modern players racquet. But some do it or did it, like Babolat or Yonex or Prince. And?
When you see the players community, 18x20 is a niche, open patterns are the market.
Head's legacy best reknown models are outdated in the eyes of modern players. So they did look to offer open pattern alternatives, but what made Head famous is not for the wide players community.
Concerns for this company is what community desires most, like 100'' head sized racquets, not some players 18x20 legacy racquets.
It requires quite a skill to handle a 18x20 95'' racquet and play your best tennis with it, no matter what specs. It's for rare players with really great strokes. Others will try it, then switch after realizing they win more points with something else.
On the other hand, 16x19 or even 16x18 flexy 95'' might be more interesting, as a modern players racquet. But some do it or did it, like Babolat or Yonex or Prince. And?
Moonarse
Semi-Pro
If I might add to Mr. Zalive writings:
Went on court for a good match with only two frames in my bag yesterday: a Pure aero with a Fairway LG, 339g and a PT630 with only one OG no Cushion, 349g. (Broken the string of my other PA and it is a holiday, I knew that this one wouldn't make it through the whole match.)
My PA was with 35lbs most (almost impossible to keep in court without adding some wrist) The PT630 was in about 45lbs.
Was playing great, won the first set 6-3 mounting on the ROS on the forehand side, so much pop, power and spin. that guy hits hard so it favors my game of hitting hard too.
Middle of the second set: Broken string, grabbed my PT630 (THE BELOVED ULTRA PURIST RACKET THAT I WORSHIPPED FOR YEARS, THE FARKING HOLY GRAIL).
All I could do was serve and volley. I was nuking the first serves, amazing flat serves. NOT A SINGLE BASELINE GROUNDSTROKE PASSED THE NET. I was doing the same thing, it just wast happening. balls were landing at the low end of the net. And I have played great with it for 3 years. I just couldnt keep a groundstroke exchange anymore (I'm a 5.5-6.0 by what I've been watching on your vids.).
Point is: No point made. Maybe I just ain't a clean-stroked-fedlike fellah for the holy grail to suit me, But hell I can create a mess with the Aero.
PS: Played with pt280 in the same 350+ range for about 3 years, so I was pretty used to play with it, been tinkering with the PA for not more than 4 months.
Went on court for a good match with only two frames in my bag yesterday: a Pure aero with a Fairway LG, 339g and a PT630 with only one OG no Cushion, 349g. (Broken the string of my other PA and it is a holiday, I knew that this one wouldn't make it through the whole match.)
My PA was with 35lbs most (almost impossible to keep in court without adding some wrist) The PT630 was in about 45lbs.
Was playing great, won the first set 6-3 mounting on the ROS on the forehand side, so much pop, power and spin. that guy hits hard so it favors my game of hitting hard too.
Middle of the second set: Broken string, grabbed my PT630 (THE BELOVED ULTRA PURIST RACKET THAT I WORSHIPPED FOR YEARS, THE FARKING HOLY GRAIL).
All I could do was serve and volley. I was nuking the first serves, amazing flat serves. NOT A SINGLE BASELINE GROUNDSTROKE PASSED THE NET. I was doing the same thing, it just wast happening. balls were landing at the low end of the net. And I have played great with it for 3 years. I just couldnt keep a groundstroke exchange anymore (I'm a 5.5-6.0 by what I've been watching on your vids.).
Point is: No point made. Maybe I just ain't a clean-stroked-fedlike fellah for the holy grail to suit me, But hell I can create a mess with the Aero.
PS: Played with pt280 in the same 350+ range for about 3 years, so I was pretty used to play with it, been tinkering with the PA for not more than 4 months.
FedLIKEnot
Professional
I have been thinking for sometime the "main" lines of each company usually have a tour version. Wilson doesnt do this but thought would be with them mod it to "tour" specs. And their is something to that but its dishonest. And again no company will change entire lines simply on our say so.
We are the minortity be honest. How many of your tennis buddies even notice Andy's "Radical" has cap grommets? So what they should do and lets start with Head cause this is a thread about Murrays racquet. Have a true Speed Pro, closer in mold and layup to what a sponsored Speed user is using (and yes I know Novaks is actually a Radical mold but you get my point), to include a truer headsize again main endorser is Novak using what we think is a 95, but tour could be a 98 so it falls closer to the truth than a 100. But make it in a weight and balance that echos the playing style within that line that hits most of the masses. So you are staying within the design language but allowing for those who want the Tour to truely get that. With Andy within the spirt of this change would likely now be a Prestige user. So you have a tour version that is around 11.6-12.3 strung to allow for customization around 5-8 pts HL with a flexy feel in the mold he uses and boom youve shored up alot of the lawsuit issues. Thebrest of the prestige line exsits as it does now. You can add Touch to the line, keep the mold and layup as is. However it would create confusion especially with the Head guys as almost no one is using what they are said to. But in doinf this it cleans up the lines a bit. And allows for a truer Tour version like wilson has with the Ultra. The Tour version of the Ultra is nothing like the rest of the line but still fits (tho barely) within the family so to speak.
Cliffnotes: make tour models of the various lines more in line with what the pros are using albeit at player friendly spec. Clean up the lines and more accuratly represent the racquet line players are using. Nothing crazy but to simple to work.
We are the minortity be honest. How many of your tennis buddies even notice Andy's "Radical" has cap grommets? So what they should do and lets start with Head cause this is a thread about Murrays racquet. Have a true Speed Pro, closer in mold and layup to what a sponsored Speed user is using (and yes I know Novaks is actually a Radical mold but you get my point), to include a truer headsize again main endorser is Novak using what we think is a 95, but tour could be a 98 so it falls closer to the truth than a 100. But make it in a weight and balance that echos the playing style within that line that hits most of the masses. So you are staying within the design language but allowing for those who want the Tour to truely get that. With Andy within the spirt of this change would likely now be a Prestige user. So you have a tour version that is around 11.6-12.3 strung to allow for customization around 5-8 pts HL with a flexy feel in the mold he uses and boom youve shored up alot of the lawsuit issues. Thebrest of the prestige line exsits as it does now. You can add Touch to the line, keep the mold and layup as is. However it would create confusion especially with the Head guys as almost no one is using what they are said to. But in doinf this it cleans up the lines a bit. And allows for a truer Tour version like wilson has with the Ultra. The Tour version of the Ultra is nothing like the rest of the line but still fits (tho barely) within the family so to speak.
Cliffnotes: make tour models of the various lines more in line with what the pros are using albeit at player friendly spec. Clean up the lines and more accuratly represent the racquet line players are using. Nothing crazy but to simple to work.
rafa_prestige89
Professional
If you’re playing with a Babolat Aero it’s pretty obvious that you won’t be able to play with a Head PT 630, they’re for completely different playing styles...
Moonarse
Semi-Pro
I played with nothing but a PT280 trio for 3 years. I should still be able to atack some balls after only 4 months of Aeroness. But I didn't.
PT57 look gorgeous, feel way better in hand, like a ****ing sword. But does't help my game in one bit.
I started to give a hard time and even beat some guys I was struggling withing a Week With the Aero.
My point is (and now I do have a point to make): the Amount of people that would be benefit with the reissue of the PT57 would be as small as the number of people that actually know what a PT57 is.
Feels great? Unbelivable. Looks amazing? Makes the Pure Aero look like a kids walmart racket. Helps my game? Results are showing the exact opposite.
Should Head bring it back? OF COURSE, they already have fifhteen 100sq 16x19 stiff wierdos. Give the faithful fanaticals what the want, it is a great frame!!!
Is it a MUST to bring it back only base on its qualities and with what it can add to the game? Definitely not.
TennisHound
Legend
Yep X2. Head just doesn't give a sh-t, though. They could care less about a law suit, or anyone giving them feedback. You mentioned the ideal scenario for Head. That's what needs to happen. But Head just doesn't care and simply won't listen to anyone, except their market analyst (who's probably only 20yo).
Moonarse
Semi-Pro
The thing I really do not understand about HEAD aproach with the PT57 is: You have 4 lines of tweeners. (instinct, extreme, radical speed). 1 line of "Players frame" (Prestige)
Why the **** cant they insert the PT57 in the prestige line if it is all that everyone that annoys them (I'm pretty sure they can't stand the gear heads sending mails, messages calling the headquarters after the PT57).
Why don't they make it one line? The new prestige line has S, MP,TOUR,PRO. they made a 305 18x19 "prestige".
Would it be too much to put a PRO TOUR prestige line with the mold that everyone raves about?? It really seems to me that they are mocking us.
- aw... another fella calling for the PT57 here at the headquarters? lets give the a 305g 18x19 prestige and see what they will do...
Why the **** cant they insert the PT57 in the prestige line if it is all that everyone that annoys them (I'm pretty sure they can't stand the gear heads sending mails, messages calling the headquarters after the PT57).
Why don't they make it one line? The new prestige line has S, MP,TOUR,PRO. they made a 305 18x19 "prestige".
Would it be too much to put a PRO TOUR prestige line with the mold that everyone raves about?? It really seems to me that they are mocking us.
- aw... another fella calling for the PT57 here at the headquarters? lets give the a 305g 18x19 prestige and see what they will do...
Moonarse
Semi-Pro
I really started to understand the " the wand chooses its wizard" concept. Had never played with a tweener in my life. took the PA out of the Mailbox strung with alupower 40lbs (used once by its previous owner).
I went on court and instantaneously played better. And I mean right from the first stroke. (the only thing I still struggle is the continental first ball that you feed your hitting partner. Always sails a bit.)
Edit: I'm not saying that the PA is the ultimate racquet and it will amp it up your game that much. maybe other tweeners would have done the trick for me too.
Edit 2: I will stop discussing my game and my racquet choices. This thread is not about it. sorry.
zalive
Hall of Fame
Back then raw material for PT57 was MIA, AFAIK. Now it's aeroindustry stiff graphite. You can't make PT57 feel layups with those.
Th
Thx for your feedback! I feel the same. Owned a lot of great classic rackets. (Pt57a, h22). But I Play some of my best tennis with the wilson clash!
Povl Carstensen
Legend
You're saying they are unable to make a PT57, or..?
jmacdaununder2
Legend
vsbabolat
G.O.A.T.
They are still making PT57A today.
Tennisdude561
New User
Except the sixone 95....
stingstang
Professional
At least Wilson did the 2017 reissue, 25th (in some countries) and are about to run the K95 again. They are probably scared that they would eat RF97 sales.
I get the impression Head want to forget their classics and become Babolat.
dr325i
G.O.A.T.
They still produce the microgel rackets, they “re-issued” Radical OS...
What did Wilson do beyond K95 reissue (same “classic” as Microgel)
We all wish they would re-issue the PT630 however, with the gravity release, I don’t see it happening
