Murray testing other Head racquets

Hit 'em clean

Semi-Pro
Probably noticed or seen before but Murray was testing out the Extreme and Gravity today. Was watching him practice this evening at WSOpen. He said he was looking for a little more help (power) since he’s getting older but still playing with his older frames for the tournament. Didn’t do a lot in the way of testing but definitely seems like he feels he needs to find a new stick.
 

vsbabolat

G.O.A.T.
Probably noticed or seen before but Murray was testing out the Extreme and Gravity today. Was watching him practice this evening at WSOpen. He said he was looking for a little more help (power) since he’s getting older but still playing with his older frames for the tournament. Didn’t do a lot in the way of testing but definitely seems like he feels he needs to find a new stick.
The fact that he has lost a step I’m sure he’s looking for something with a bigger sweet spot and with easier power to try and compensate for that.
 

Arvid

Semi-Pro
Thats not going to help a bit, he was never lacking in power, and from the more pop he might get from another frame he will lose in control...if hes lost a step and trying to make up for that he might as well call it a day...
 

jmacdaununder2

Hall of Fame
Maybe he is just trying to ward off the inevitable ravages of Father Time, and find ways to enjoy one more season in the sun, before bowing out for good - more on his own terms this time around.
 

vsbabolat

G.O.A.T.
Thats not going to help a bit, he was never lacking in power, and from the more pop he might get from another frame he will lose in control...if hes lost a step and trying to make up for that he might as well call it a day...
Did a bigger more powerful racquet help Roger? Some can argue yes.
Yes, his movement after multiple hip surgeries isn’t the same but at least now he isn’t in pain. One has to deal with the their physical reality. Murray still has a desire to be competitive and be able to compete at a high level so experimenting with different racquets is normal.
 

Hit 'em clean

Semi-Pro
So since no one else seems to have heard or seen this before... my impressions were that it was one of the first times he had hit with those frames. Not to say he never hit with them before, but they way he went about it and they way he and his coaches were comparing the frames to his old stick really felt like this was one of the first toe dips into the water.

Most of his hour long practice session was with his normal racquet and no sign of anything new. After about 45 minutes he went to his bag an pulled out what from what I could best tell was a Gravity Pro and Extreme Pro. I’m sure they are pro stock versions of the frames, but still it was shocking to see. He was on center court and I was right up front behind him on the baseline.

So here’s where it got curious...

He just finished hitting some serves with his old standby, pulls the other two out and then hit maybe 6-10 serves each with the Extreme and Gravity. There were some wildly missed serves. The new frames he was hitting much higher up in the stringbed. Neither one seemed to allow him more power, but he was getting more spin with the same speed. He was curious but very unsatisfied as he put them down right away and went back to his PT57A. Hit a few more serves and then tried the Gravity again for a few serves. He worked on some return of serve with the PT57A again, but then after about 10 minutes tried the gravity for a few returns... not good, spin caused quite a few to hit low in the net.

A couple of questions were asked and he replied with what I noted in my original post. I’m guessing he had the same string setup from what I could see, but he did not hit nearly as well with either like he did with his PT57A. My eyes and especially my ears could tell that, plus his almost instant disenchantment with both after just a few hits. He did seem to like the Gravity more and hardly touched the Extreme.

My guess is that he’s looking for more forgiveness... and just a touch more power/spin. I don’t think he’s completely put off as it could’ve been his first real hit with them, but even afterward he seemed curious... mostly with the Gravity. Murray still hits a beautiful ball with the PT57A, but I think it‘ll be very hard for him to find something that gives him the same confidence and familiarity. Fed struggled for a few years with RF97 before he got comfy with the change. It won’t happen this year, but I’m not sure he’ll be able to have the same confidence with a new stick in a short enough time to make it worthwhile this late in his career.
 

dr325i

G.O.A.T.
Andy's always had tons of power. He just chooses not to use it for some reason.
He’s more of a grinder/defensive player then aggressive and offense player. He needs to change that and shorten points
The PT57A is not a power frame however, the 16x19 has decent power, great launch angle and great control. The benefit of 16x19 is more power over 18x20 version and not so much increased spin. Remains with amazing control.

Maybe he should try the PT313.2 again as it offers great feel of the PT57A layup (not exactly the feel of the 57A) but significantly more power (21.5mm beam), same launch angle and good control.
PT352.1 is probably another option of a 22mm 98 sq in option, familiar layup
 

Arvid

Semi-Pro
He’s more of a grinder/defensive player then aggressive and offense player. He needs to change that and shorten points
The PT57A is not a power frame however, the 16x19 has decent power, great launch angle and great control. The benefit of 16x19 is more power over 18x20 version and not so much increased spin. Remains with amazing control.

Maybe he should try the PT313.2 again as it offers great feel of the PT57A layup (not exactly the feel of the 57A) but significantly more power (21.5mm beam), same launch angle and good control.
PT352.1 is probably another option of a 22mm 98 sq in option, familiar layup
The PT 57 doesn not give you alot of power however if you can generate youre own power it allows to hit with tremendous power, Murray can generate his own power when he wants to, weve seen this over the years, so im not really sure what hes looking for with trying these new frames. But my guess is there wont be any switch, theres nothing to win really and it will be hard for him to get used to a new frame.....He could of course try and change his game a little, but a new frame wont make things easier....
 

beltsman

Legend
The PT 57 doesn not give you alot of power however if you can generate youre own power it allows to hit with tremendous power, Murray can generate his own power when he wants to, weve seen this over the years, so im not really sure what hes looking for with trying these new frames. But my guess is there wont be any switch, theres nothing to win really and it will be hard for him to get used to a new frame.....He could of course try and change his game a little, but a new frame wont make things easier....
Sure it will. He needs to get into position to generate power. He's much slower now and has trouble getting set behind the ball. Think will give him more forgiveness, ie power from sub-optimal positioning.
 

GR190

New User
The PT 57 doesn not give you alot of power however if you can generate youre own power it allows to hit with tremendous power,
This is why I can hit harder (*while staying in the lines*) with an Ultra Tour (PT57 copy) than an RF97 even though the RF (my previous stick) has much more inherent power/pace... What good is +mph if the ball is five feet out?!
 

McLovin

Legend
Gotta love TT...

Last night, before Murray's match, Tennis Channel did a little montage of Murray on the practice courts. At one point the camera focused on his feet as he hit a serve. In the background, lying on the court near the doubles alley, were 2 frames that caught my eye. I otherwise wouldn't have paid attention, but after seeing this thread I rewound the recording and took a closer look: Sure enough, one had an Extreme PJ and the other a Gravity PJ.
 

Ace of Aces

Semi-Pro
Don’t think it matters much for Murray if the racquet doesn’t come with a new hip. His ball striking was excellent yesterday, but it was jarring to see him not reach drop shots he saw coming and got great jumps on.
 

Tmano

Hall of Fame
I think some extra little put away power could help him now to hit a deep heavy approach shot and finish the point at net or to simply create an unforced error.
Maybe the PT57A16/19 pattern would help here more than completely change racquet. I'm not seeing Murray dropping his PT57A for something new now that his trying to get back.
I was happy to see him winning!
 

Antónis

Professional
Didn't he used to play with the 16x19 version for some periods during the season? He would get a bit more pop with this change, like Novak did, and worked well for him
I don't mean it would necessary work for Murray, but it would be a smaller change compared to change racquets.
 

jmacdaununder2

Hall of Fame
I am surprised that other companies aren't following Wilson's lead and releasing say Nadal's or Djokovic's actual racquets, even in small numbers and/or at a premium price; seems like it would be a win win?
 

Bender

G.O.A.T.
I am surprised that other companies aren't following Wilson's lead and releasing say Nadal's or Djokovic's actual racquets, even in small numbers and/or at a premium price; seems like it would be a win win?
Technically Babolat did release Nadal's actual racquet, because Nadal just uses the OG AeroPro Drive with a lot of lead tape.
 

jmacdaununder2

Hall of Fame
:sneaky:
Thanks for the enlightenment...
I would have written ‘or rereleasing’, but I really didn’t think anyone would be so pedantic; sadly I stand - or before some other pedant starts typing technically I’m sitting so I sit - corrected.
 
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dr325i

G.O.A.T.
I am surprised that other companies aren't following Wilson's lead and releasing say Nadal's or Djokovic's actual racquets, even in small numbers and/or at a premium price; seems like it would be a win win?
Racket business (just like any consumer business) is based on fairly small margins and limited profits and high quantities.
Aside from legal stuff, the PT rackets are exclusively produced in Austria to protect IP. Once the frame is baked, there is no way to reverse-engineer the layup.
Production (very much manual) in Austria is significantly more expensive than in China and the profits would disappear or the price of the racket would be 3x competitive products. That would further push it away from the consumer/volume concept and appeal only to the small group of buyers.
Makes absolutely no sense for head to:
1) waste their time on effort like that
2) take a risk hiring additional staff and possibly have negative margins down the road
3) overwhelm the KB production site that is currently tailored for different purposes
 

jmacdaununder2

Hall of Fame
Technically Babolat did release Nadal's actual racquet, because Nadal just uses the OG AeroPro Drive with a lot of lead tape.
Incidentally, even more ’technically’, it’s rumoured Babolat didn’t release Rafa’s ‘actual’ racquet, at least not the ‘current’ one; the OGAPD retail has a reported RA of 72; Rafa’s ‘actual’ APD racquets have a reported RA of 65. 8-B
 

Moonarse

Semi-Pro
This is why I can hit harder (*while staying in the lines*) with an Ultra Tour (PT57 copy) than an RF97 even though the RF (my previous stick) has much more inherent power/pace... What good is +mph if the ball is five feet out?!
What good is hitting nukes on the warm up seshion when you are hitting completely still and balanced, then going to the match and when played around and pressured only beeing able to hit short balls. I think thats when the power of the frame comes in hand. Beeing able to put the ball deep when not confortable.
 

Bender

G.O.A.T.
Incide


Incidentally, even more ’technically’, it’s rumoured Babolat didn’t release his ‘actual’ racquet, at least not the current one; the OGAPD retail has a reported RA of 72; Rafa’s ‘actual’ racquets have a reported RA of 65. 8-B
I think the official word was that Babolat technicians would string and restring racquets until they drop in RA. Also, isn’t the listed RA supposed to drop by like 3 points when you string it the first time? That would bring it down to 69 right off the bat.
 

jmacdaununder2

Hall of Fame
I think the official word was that Babolat technicians would string and restring racquets until they drop in RA. Also, isn’t the listed RA supposed to drop by like 3 points when you string it the first time? That would bring it down to 69 right off the bat.
No offence but if you really believe that Babolat story I’ve got a bridge to sell you; in any case 69 is still a long way from 65.
(Check the listed RA of some of the Babolat pro stocks - some of which are occasionally ’new old stock’ - for sale versus the retail versions.)
 

Buzzlightyeear

New User
I actually enjoy the drama a lot.

Andy is currently playing HuHu and that racket looks definitely like a PT57A.
If Murray would settle on the Gravity, do you think HEAD would paint it to look like the Radical? That would be ridiculous wouldn't it?
 

dr325i

G.O.A.T.
I actually enjoy the drama a lot.

Andy is currently playing HuHu and that racket looks definitely like a PT57A.
If Murray would settle on the Gravity, do you think HEAD would paint it to look like the Radical? That would be ridiculous wouldn't it?
No.
 

dr325i

G.O.A.T.
I actually enjoy the drama a lot.

Andy is currently playing HuHu and that racket looks definitely like a PT57A.
If Murray would settle on the Gravity, do you think HEAD would paint it to look like the Radical? That would be ridiculous wouldn't it?
I also expect him to test a few more sticks that many players are experimenting with. I hope he figures out to come back close to the old glory!
 

McEncock

Semi-Pro
I think the official word was that Babolat technicians would string and restring racquets until they drop in RA. Also, isn’t the listed RA supposed to drop by like 3 points when you string it the first time? That would bring it down to 69 right off the bat.
I am not sure about that theory : I bought a second hand (if not 3rd, 4th hand...) prestige pro 600 brown 1986 which has been strung with gut at pretty high tension for years, and measured it with rdc machine.

It surprised me a bit, but the RA was 61 ; in 35 years, not even one point dropped.
 

guga_fan

Semi-Pro
He seemed to hit the ball very well and his serve was great this week. Changing racket now might be too risky. His biggest problem this week was his movement going forward and his lack of conditioning over a match with long rallies.
 

tomkowy

New User
He seemed to hit the ball very well and his serve was great this week. Changing racket now might be too risky. His biggest problem this week was his movement going forward and his lack of conditioning over a match with long rallies.
His movement probably will not get much better. Given that, his strokes need to be more deadly, so he can finish points early. I guess this transition will take him some time, as he needs to change his style. He never liked to play risky shots, he placed the ball smart. Now he needs to push his opponents more. Changing his setup somehow seems to be neccesary.
 
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