Murray testing other Head racquets

jarko111

Hall of Fame
Pros go through something like 30 - 60 racquets per year; most likely it would just be due to supply chain and relative lack of importance and exposure at this time of year? It would probably be a different story if Murray was in the WTF.
I've always wanted to know how it works when the new paint goes on. When does the company step in and say.. hey, we need any rackets you're going to play with for the foreseeable _____.? We got to get new paint on them.
Is it just FedExed?

I actually thought he was getting stronger and stronger with his stamina. Look what he did to Sinner? I still worry he's just doing too much too soon on his last hip. That's just the part of me that's been a fan of his for a very long time. I don't want him to do something that can't be corrected. Playing singles, again. His documentary made it seem like if he effs this hip up it's curtains. The only repairs would be those to improve the quality of his life outside the sport.
 

mxvb

Rookie
At the European Open Antwerp this year (october) I saw him test a gravity painted stick for a couple of hits. Then he went straight back to his own stick.
Balls were sailing out behind the court with the gravity stick.
 

Keizer

Hall of Fame
I've always wanted to know how it works when the new paint goes on. When does the company step in and say.. hey, we need any rackets you're going to play with for the foreseeable _____.? We got to get new paint on them.
Is it just FedExed?

I actually thought he was getting stronger and stronger with his stamina. Look what he did to Sinner? I still worry he's just doing too much too soon on his last hip. That's just the part of me that's been a fan of his for a very long time. I don't want him to do something that can't be corrected. Playing singles, again. His documentary made it seem like if he effs this hip up it's curtains. The only repairs would be those to improve the quality of his life outside the sport.
As @Verbal_Kint says above, they produce racquets in special batches for the pros. This is why people on here were complaining for years that the PT57A was being produced for the several players that use it but Head was refusing to release a new run for fans who had worn out their PT630/280s.
 

bleno567

Professional
I've always wanted to know how it works when the new paint goes on. When does the company step in and say.. hey, we need any rackets you're going to play with for the foreseeable _____.? We got to get new paint on them.
Is it just FedExed?
Hilarious post.
 

Return_Ace

Hall of Fame
Nope. PT57A layup in the TK334 mold with the 16x19 layup
Basically larger Head and sweet spot PT57A.
TK334 is the mold for Auxetic Prestige MP & MPL (previously 360+ Prestige Tour). 99 sq in
Now that sounds like it would be a great idea.

Of course if they released it as is, people would complain that they ruined the sanctity of the holy PT57A legacy etc.

But if they can convince Murray to adopt it, I'm sure they'd manage to win over a few people :unsure:

/insert something about austrian layup, can't manufacture in china, limited manufacture run, current 360+/auxetic layups already good and whatever else it is i'm missing ;):sneaky:
 

dr325i

G.O.A.T.
Now that sounds like it would be a great idea.

Of course if they released it as is, people would complain that they ruined the sanctity of the holy PT57A legacy etc.

But if they can convince Murray to adopt it, I'm sure they'd manage to win over a few people :unsure:

/insert something about austrian layup, can't manufacture in china, limited manufacture run, current 360+/auxetic layups already good and whatever else it is i'm missing ;):sneaky:
There are MANY instances where the PT57A/PT10 layups are used in various molds. I have already shared this with the board. This has been going on for many years:
PT57A*: PT57A layup in TK57A mold
PT313.2*: PT57A layup in TK313 mold (mold never released as retail)
PT339.2*: PT57A layup in TK339 mold
PT334.1**: PT57A layup in TK334 mold
PT366.3: PT57A layup in TK366 mold

PT57.1: PT10 layup in TK57A mold
PT307.1*: PT10 layup in TK307 mold
PT325.1: PT10 layup in TK325 mold
PT284.1: PT10 layup in TK284 mold (mold never released as retail)
PT339.1*: PT10 layup in TK339 mold

* - 16x19 and 18x20 string patterns
**- 16x19 and 18x19 string patterns
 

McEncock

Semi-Pro
I know you do... I am curious to know how my favorite feeling lay-up feels in arguably the best racquet mold in the world =)
 

Xabi Alonso

New User
There are MANY instances where the PT57A/PT10 layups are used in various molds. I have already shared this with the board. This has been going on for many years:
PT57A*: PT57A layup in TK57A mold
PT313.2*: PT57A layup in TK313 mold (mold never released as retail)
PT339.2*: PT57A layup in TK339 mold
PT334.1**: PT57A layup in TK334 mold
PT366.3: PT57A layup in TK366 mold

PT57.1: PT10 layup in TK57A mold
PT307.1*: PT10 layup in TK307 mold
PT325.1: PT10 layup in TK325 mold
PT284.1: PT10 layup in TK284 mold (mold never released as retail)
PT339.1*: PT10 layup in TK339 mold

* - 16x19 and 18x20 string patterns
**- 16x19 and 18x19 string patterns
Would really like to try these two. I've demoed the Speed Pro 360+, really liked it, and I think I'll buy a pair soon, but wonder how different it would feel with these lay ups instead. Have you played with them? I've never seen any on sale anywhere, can't be many pros that use them?
 

dr325i

G.O.A.T.
Would really like to try these two. I've demoed the Speed Pro 360+, really liked it, and I think I'll buy a pair soon, but wonder how different it would feel with these lay ups instead. Have you played with them? I've never seen any on sale anywhere, can't be many pros that use them?
Yes, I have tried both, the PT339.1 and 339.2.
Dustin Brown used the PT339.1 and a few other players.
Mertens and Coco Gauff use the PT339.2.

Honestly, I preferred the retail layup on most of those. One that I really liked with the PT57A2 layup was the PT334.1.

One Pt339.1 sold recently on e bay and seller did not even know it was the PT version…
 

Tmano

Hall of Fame
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Yes, I have tried both, the PT339.1 and 339.2.
Dustin Brown used the PT339.1 and a few other players.
Mertens and Coco Gauff use the PT339.2.

Honestly, I preferred the retail layup on most of those. One that I really liked with the PT57A2 layup was the PT334.1.

One Pt339.1 sold recently on e bay and seller did not even know it was the PT version…
I wish i could try at least even one of those frames....i'm definitely jealous :)
 

dr325i

G.O.A.T.
Can you elaborate on the layup differences you feel between the two and why you prefer the 57A2 layup?
The PT10 is more HL and different weight distribution while the PT57A feels more solid in the throat/head area. I cannot get my BH right with anything PT10 but works well with the PT57A
If I add more lead in the head of the PT10 then I go to high with static and SW…
 

emaz8724

Rookie
He played well today. The ball impact sounded different to me too, but I could be imagining things. The real test for his self confidence with the new frame will be how he performs against Rafa tomorrow.
 

penguin

Professional
Out of curiosity, does someone know why he chose this particular mold?
It seems to me a sort of logical completion of an adjustment in that he switched to open pattern and spinnier strokes- way back, but never adjusted the head size to give him the greater window that strokes like that can allow. Maybe that slightly larger margin for error can help him relax a bit more easily into hitting out. He'll lose perhaps a tiny bit of control of his slice and lobs that he is known for, but the gains elsewhere could outweigh that (as fixing fed's backhand vulnerability was more important than what he lost, in terms of winning matches) and he probably already made most of that adjustment with the string pattern change. if he can have greater margins of error on his weapons so they get better percentages, that could be a considerable up and he could go on a tear, like difference between fed on his 85 and his 90.
 

tomkowy

Rookie
It seems to me a sort of logical completion of an adjustment in that he switched to open pattern and spinnier strokes- way back, but never adjusted the head size to give him the greater window that strokes like that can allow. Maybe that slightly larger margin for error can help him relax a bit more easily into hitting out. He'll lose perhaps a tiny bit of control of his slice and lobs that he is known for, but the gains elsewhere could outweigh that (as fixing fed's backhand vulnerability was more important than what he lost, in terms of winning matches) and he probably already made most of that adjustment with the string pattern change. if he can have greater margins of error on his weapons so they get better percentages, that could be a considerable up and he could go on a tear, like difference between fed on his 85 and his 90.
Yeah, this is clear. But why Prestige MP mold and not Radical Pro mold or Prestige Pro mold? There are multiple new 98/99 sq inch molds done by Head
 

mb3182

Rookie
It seems to me a sort of logical completion of an adjustment in that he switched to open pattern and spinnier strokes- way back, but never adjusted the head size to give him the greater window that strokes like that can allow. Maybe that slightly larger margin for error can help him relax a bit more easily into hitting out. He'll lose perhaps a tiny bit of control of his slice and lobs that he is known for, but the gains elsewhere could outweigh that (as fixing fed's backhand vulnerability was more important than what he lost, in terms of winning matches) and he probably already made most of that adjustment with the string pattern change. if he can have greater margins of error on his weapons so they get better percentages, that could be a considerable up and he could go on a tear, like difference between fed on his 85 and his 90.
Thanks. My reasoning was that choosing a Prestige coming from a pt57 makes senses vs say a new radical or speed mold for example. I was wondering why the Prestige Tour and not the Pro (ex MP) which is in so high praise on this forum. Ok the beam is slightly wider so he'll get a bit more power but one can argue that a pro of Murray's caliber can easily generates his own pace.
Interesting discussion.
 

penguin

Professional
Thanks. My reasoning was that choosing a Prestige coming from a pt57 makes senses vs say a new radical or speed mold for example. I was wondering why the Prestige Tour and not the Pro (ex MP) which is in so high praise on this forum. Ok the beam is slightly wider so he'll get a bit more power but one can argue that a pro of Murray's caliber can easily generates his own pace.
Interesting discussion.
Just a thought: if he's using a layup designed for a smaller stick perhaps the beam needs to be thicker for it to still work well in a larger one or something. I have never played with any of the sticks we are talking about here and have no relevant training in racquet design or materials science so I'm probably right
 

dr325i

G.O.A.T.
Yeah, this is clear. But why Prestige MP mold and not Radical Pro mold or Prestige Pro mold? There are multiple new 98/99 sq inch molds done by Head
I have tested the PT334.1 and the PT352.1
The reasons he is currently testing the PT334.1 are: box beam just like his PT57A, same layup as the PT57A, thin beam, familiar sweet spot, just larger, familiar Power level and string pattern, the PT334.1 is the closest feeling racket to the PT57A in a non-TK57A mold.
The PT352.1 is a more solid feel, quite a departure from the PT57A. I preferred the TGT/TGK352 vs the PT352.
 

dr325i

G.O.A.T.
Thanks. My reasoning was that choosing a Prestige coming from a pt57 makes senses vs say a new radical or speed mold for example. I was wondering why the Prestige Tour and not the Pro (ex MP) which is in so high praise on this forum. Ok the beam is slightly wider so he'll get a bit more power but one can argue that a pro of Murray's caliber can easily generates his own pace.
Interesting discussion.
There is NO PT version of the Prestige Pro (345). The Prestige Pro is lower power than the PT57A and not much (if any) larger sweet spot. Therefore, there would be no benefit to trying that one. Andy was going for 2 things, larger sweet spot and increased controlled power. He has tested everything from Gravity Pro, to various extremes, even Speed, and the PT352 (Radical Pro) and Radical MP...
Let's see what happens from here...
 

MattCrosby

Professional
There is NO PT version of the Prestige Pro (345). The Prestige Pro is lower power than the PT57A and not much (if any) larger sweet spot. Therefore, there would be no benefit to trying that one. Andy was going for 2 things, larger sweet spot and increased controlled power. He has tested everything from Gravity Pro, to various extremes, even Speed, and the PT352 (Radical Pro) and Radical MP...
Let's see what happens from here...
I have one of those speeds… would you by chance know what it is from pictures?
 

jmacdaununder2

Hall of Fame
There is NO PT version of the Prestige Pro (345). The Prestige Pro is lower power than the PT57A and not much (if any) larger sweet spot. Therefore, there would be no benefit to trying that one. Andy was going for 2 things, larger sweet spot and increased controlled power. He has tested everything from Gravity Pro, to various extremes, even Speed, and the PT352 (Radical Pro) and Radical MP...
Let's see what happens from here...
Who knows, he could even end up going retail like us mere mortals...:sneaky:
 

dr325i

G.O.A.T.
Who knows, he could even end up going retail like us mere mortals...:sneaky:
Don’t see the reason why not unless he cannot move away from the layup. Both, TGK345.2 and TGK334.2 layups are excellent.
However, I am loving the TGK366.1 these days and really enjoying the Boom Pro
 

Gerco

Rookie
I think Andy hit the jackpot with this racket..looks much more confident and seemed he was having fun out there.. just playing :)
 

edelp

Semi-Pro
It is funny at the end how much, whatever others say, the stars push interest and sales in or of certain models, clear why should brands otherwise sponsor them. I had a PT334 for sale (from García Lopez, I mean not totally unknown ATP guy but anyhow) and it took 5 months to sell it.
Now I get every day questions since Andy played with it one tournament. :-D
 
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