Murray - The AO Injustice

#1
5 Australian Open finals. 0 AO titles.

4 losses to Djokovic, 1 loss to Federer. Basically lost every time to the AO GOATs.

Felt he had a great chance in AO17 - was World Number 1 at the time and Djokovic suffered an upset 2 rounds earlier.

Felt that he had to eventually get 1 AO title but it was not meant to be (pending AO19).

On a positive note - glad he got to No. 1 (and got YE No. 1) during his career.
 

BGod

Hall of Fame
#4
AO17: it was pretty embarassing to see World #1 outplayed by an oldschool S&V player
Nadal x5

In all seriousness though going 0-5 in Slam Finals is probably a record that Andy won't want to be remembered for but likely untouchable. Borg 0-4 at USO and Rosewall 0-4 at Wimbledon is next closest so you can do the math yourself.
 

King No1e

Hall of Fame
#5
5 Australian Open finals. 0 AO titles.

4 losses to Djokovic, 1 loss to Federer. Basically lost every time to the AO GOATs.

Felt he had a great chance in AO17 - was World Number 1 at the time and Djokovic suffered an upset 2 rounds earlier.

Felt that he had to eventually get 1 AO title but it was not meant to be (pending AO19).

On a positive note - glad he got to No. 1 (and got YE No. 1) during his career.
In many ways analogous to Federer's struggles at the French, getting constantly stopped by the same player year after year. But Federer at least got his happy ending in 2009. Murray never got it. That's really rough.
 

ChrisRF

Professional
#6
Nadal x5

In all seriousness though going 0-5 in Slam Finals is probably a record that Andy won't want to be remembered for but likely untouchable. Borg 0-4 at USO and Rosewall 0-4 at Wimbledon is next closest so you can do the math yourself.
Yet his 0-5 record is of course better than the 0-4 by Borg and Rosewall. Reaching the final and losing there is always better than losing earlier, no question about it.
 
#8
In many ways analogous to Federer's struggles at the French, getting constantly stopped by the same player year after year. But Federer at least got his happy ending in 2009. Murray never got it. That's really rough.
In 2014 Stan defeated Djokovic but Murray draw was very tough so he couldnt reach the final.He had Federer and assuming he defeated him then he had Nadal - basically it was mission impossible for him.
 

Mustard

Talk Tennis Guru
#13
Murray's best chances were in the 2013 and 2015 Australian Open finals. In 2013, he was close to a two set lead against Djokovic when the feather of doom completely turned the momentum to Djokovic. People who watched the match will know what the feather refers to. In 2015, the momentum between him and Djokovic for the first 2 and a half sets switched back and forth like a yo-yo going up and down, completely chaotically, and Djokovic looked like he was about to collapse from exhaustion. Djokovic then suddenly won the tight moments of the third set, and crushed Murray 6-0 in the fourth set, and Murray looked very annoyed that he'd been rope-a-doped.
 
#15
borg was much closer to win the us open than murray to win the ao for example.
he in this case as Lendl in Wimbledon, excellent but not good enough to win the title.
next!
 
#16
What injustice.

The true injustice is all the players talented enough to be better than Murray who never get there due to lack of funding, resources etc and never even get to play at futures level.
Talent on its own is not enough in any sport, certainly not enough in tennis. Andy Murray has been a phenomenal competitor with a great tennis brain. You have no idea whether any of those players who never got out of the lower tiers of professional tournaments would ever have achieved more than Murray.
 
#20
Murray's best chances were in the 2013 and 2015 Australian Open finals. In 2013, he was close to a two set lead against Djokovic when the feather of doom completely turned the momentum to Djokovic. People who watched the match will know what the feather refers to. In 2015, the momentum between him and Djokovic for the first 2 and a half sets switched back and forth like a yo-yo going up and down, completely chaotically, and Djokovic looked like he was about to collapse from exhaustion. Djokovic then suddenly won the tight moments of the third set, and crushed Murray 6-0 in the fourth set, and Murray looked very annoyed that he'd been rope-a-doped.
Novak Djokovic was disgraceful in that 2015 final.
 
#22
Talent on its own is not enough in any sport, certainly not enough in tennis. Andy Murray has been a phenomenal competitor with a great tennis brain. You have no idea whether any of those players who never got out of the lower tiers of professional tournaments would ever have achieved more than Murray.
Yeah we will never know because they weren't given the same resources as Murray to begin with.
 
#23
Novak Djokovic was disgraceful in that 2015 final.
I don't know what he was doing but I hardly think a guy would start playing games when he just won the 1st set and give away breaks (like djokovic did in the beginning of the 2nd set when he was barely trying).

I think he was just really tired and he needed to recover. Either way Murray got his hopes up big time and lost some focus.
 
#25
5 Australian Open finals. 0 AO titles.
There's no injustice, he was just beaten by the better player on those days. Just as it's not an injustice that Lendl never won Wimbledon despite his vast efforts. It's too bad Andy never bagged an AO trophy, but it's not at all an injustice. He wasn't cheated out of any of those titles, he was just beaten fair and square.
 
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#28
It's a great shame. It's what can happen when you play in the era of the GOATs of that slam. Borg suffered the same fate. I would've liked to have seen him go to 5 sets in a final at least once (although he took Novak to 5 in AO12 SF). In my mind, he's very clearly the best player at the AO to have never on a title.

I'd laugh if Murray trolls and wins there this year
 
#32
Love reading all of the posts from 3.5 - 4.5 rec players ripping one of the greats.

Pathetic. He did more with less and has had a very nice career.

If you want to rip on an Andy, clearly Roddick should be your choice, but even that would be weak sauce.
 
#34
Love reading all of the posts from 3.5 - 4.5 rec players ripping one of the greats.

Pathetic. He did more with less and has had a very nice career.

If you want to rip on an Andy, clearly Roddick should be your choice, but even that would be weak sauce.
I've never liked Murray. I've never liked him on the court. I've never liked him off the court. I've never liked Andy Murray. And, frankly, I couldn't care less that he's retiring because I've hardly noticed his absences.
 
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NEW_BORN

Hall of Fame
#40
Felt like 2013 was his best chance. He was in tip top form, coming off of a phenomenal season, just beat Federer in the sf, plus the fact that Djokovic was not in peak condition, he was literally a whisker away from taking a 2 sets to love lead in the final, before the infamous feather incident. What might have been if only the wind blew differently at that moment in time.
 
#41
I remember around 2013 Murray got more into fitness and weights and became more of a grinder baseliner.,,..Maybe this lead to his current situation...
.Before that i remember a skinnier Murray; more aggressive with a better serve..
 
#42
I remember around 2013 Murray got more into fitness and weights and became more of a grinder baseliner.,,..Maybe this lead to his current situation...
.Before that i remember a skinnier Murray; more aggressive with a better serve..
Thats what I fear for Zverev since he's now with Jez Green.
 
#43

Mustard

Talk Tennis Guru
#44
Vast.

“Today, [Lendl] expanded on that explanation [for why he isn’t playing W]: He is allergic to grass. ''I sneeze a lot,'' he said. ''I take shots every second day.'' “Lendl spoke a few minutes before teeing off for a round of golf at the Westchester Country Club,”

https://www.nytimes.com/1982/06/24/sports/lendl-finds-grass-is-only-for-golfers.html
That was Lendl in 1982, a year when he was content to skip Wimbledon. What a sharp contrast to the future. In 1983, I think Lendl was very surprised at how easily he got to the Wimbledon semi finals and narrowly lost a close 3-setter to McEnroe with Chris Lewis waiting in the final. As each year passed after that, Lendl developed an ever greater determination to win Wimbledon, and by 1989-1992 it had become an obsession. In the summer of 1989, still angry at his 5-set loss to Becker in the semi finals at Wimbledon that year, he had the US Open replica court at his house torn down and replaced with a grass-court. In 1990, he skipped a couple of months to play golf and prepare for the grass season, but peaked at Queen's Club instead of Wimbledon.
 
#49
Record like this shows Murray never belonged to the league of Big 3.
Who cares ? He has had a great career . Anybody who says that winning 3 slams, the Olympics , multiple Masters events including year end Championships, reaching number 1 in the world and almost single handedly winning the Davis Cup does not represent success needs to think again. He is a legend in his home country and deservedly so. I’m sure Zverev, Thiem, Tsitipas and Shapovalov would take Andy’s career record if it was offered to them right now.
 
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