Murray to Yonex

JeffG

Rookie
Again, you take and believe what you wish. As RS mentioned, he could have stayed out of the discussion and let everyone believe that indeed, AM woke up one day and walked into a retail store and purchased a bunch of retail frames and 10 lbs of lead tape, and figured out where to get the 4-in-1 machine overnight and the hawk-eye that was laying around... Did he string his own rackets too? He did not mention that...the conspiracy continues! RS (and Skippy) simply said -- aaaah, the story was not quite like that. They also gave a few extra hints like "Andy's coach uses Yonex", or simple ones like -- Andy knows everyone in this industry and has been an important figure in tennis world for past 20 years...a part of the original "Big 4".

Again, back to my Zverev/Barty example above...I could have stayed out of it and let those "experts" still believe that Sascha and Ash are still using old Speeds under the paint, or maybe I could have shown more details about Cilic's actual 2014 USO final racket...but I chose to step away and leave it at it without involving the actual facts any deeper...

Again, this thread has gone sideways over a thing that is totally irrelevant in the whole AM journey...

PS. Did any of you "fabricate" a story to make it sound more interesting using some fictitious ideas heard from someone else (just to make the whole story more powerful)?
In this particular response, it seems as though you're fabricating or at least exaggerating to build a strawman. I've not seen anyone in this thread or anywhere else say that "AM woke up one day and walked into a retail store and purchased a bunch of retail frames and 10 lbs of lead tape, and figured out where to get the 4-in-1 machine overnight and the hawk-eye that was laying around...". I've likewise not seen anyone express a belief that that is exactly and only what happened. That Murray has been testing potential new racquets for quite a while is well known and often discussed here. What people have said repeatedly here, though, is that the idea of Murray picking up a few retail sticks to play around with isn't at all incompatible with his coaches or other contacts making suggestions or providing test racquets, or other facilities and technicians providing equipment and expertise. Knowing that Murray and other players have such access and are so regularly involved in those latter activities is precisely what makes the notion of him cruising into a local retail store to check out sticks so fun to begin with, even it was just a small blip in the overall process, especially since so many high level players seem oblivious to their specs, etc.. It's just not necessary to disavow a part of the story to make other parts true as well.

Simply saying that there are more parts to a story is one thing; saying that someone is spreading false information for clickbait purposes, though, is accusatory. In your Zverev/Barty example, you provided factual evidence in support of what you were saying. It was actually educational, as is a lot of the other stringer/tech/staff provided information posted here. Much of the "insider" contribution in this thread, though, has been flexing without substance or evidence and comes across as attention seeking. There's also been some appeal to authority/"don't they know who I am" bits. Disliking that sort of behavior has nothing to do with lead tape, Hawkeye, or even any particular sport or industry.

For my part, I'm pretty interested that Murray chose the E Zone 100 as it's already on my demo list. As an aging, slowing, flat-hitting counterpuncher with exponentially less talent and skill, that might be relevant. Shoot, Delgado was an VCore Xi 98 guy when he was coaching Murray and so was I. Now I just have to go find that test machine laying around...
 

what_army

Semi-Pro
he knows best what is good for him yada yada yada, but ezone 100 is the wrong choice.
something like 100d, tecnifibre iso 305 or blade pro 18x20 would make way more sense.
a power racquet doesn‘t make a power player.
If he really tried all the racquets he say he was (which I’m not convinced of given what the experts are hinting at here), I can’t imagine he didn’t try the blade pro 18x20.

On paper it seems like a match made in heaven for him.
 

emkayenaim

New User
I have (on very good authority, mind you) sensitive information that I will share with you now:

Andy read this thread prior to his match yesterday. Doing so distracted him so much that he ended up losing in Bordeaux. He was heard speaking with a Yonex exec, asking if they can engineer CAPs for the Ezone 100. He’s also considering the use of a dampener, but can’t decide between the Yonex Vibra Stopper 5 or a #64 rubber band.

I’ll provide further updates as events warrant.

Kimony Quake Buster
 

PMF

Semi-Pro
As a long time fan, the exact details aren't too important to me. It has been a fun story to follow, and I hope he does well at Wimbledon this summer. Hopefully, someone has already let him test the frames that Kyrgios and Fucsovics are using, as those might be an easier transition. I'd be willing to send him my DR98. LOL.
 

danbrenner

Legend
this is the most sensational racquet story of the decade.. going from his 95" 20mm beam pt57.. to full blown Tweenerville. 100" 26mm beam .. wow. blown away. so cool. the obvious transition would have been a 98" tweener. like most players are using. so the massive upshot to the ezone 100 is a shocker. Hats off the AM. i hope he does great with it.
 

vsbabolat

G.O.A.T.
this is the most sensational racquet story of the decade.. going from his 95" 20mm beam pt57.. to full blown Tweenerville. 100" 26mm beam .. wow. blown away. so cool. the obvious transition would have been a 98" tweener. like most players are using. so the massive upshot to the ezone 100 is a shocker. Hats off the AM. i hope he does great with it.
Andy didn’t do well to with his new racket.
 

Chopin

Hall of Fame
You keep fishing, so OK I'll take a little nibble.

TN's video is still incorrect. No-one commented as to which elements of the video were incorrect, just that it was wide of the mark and was largely speculative and 'clickbaity', and that you shouldn't believe everything he posts or take as it as gospel - which a lot do on here. This is the only reason I felt the need to comment as it was particularly frustrating to see so many hang on his every word yet again. In hindsight, I would probably agree with you in that I shouldn't have commented and left everyone to take TN's word as read.

I have not commented on Andy's interview, nor will I.

There are pictures on this very thread that clearly prove TN's video is incorrect and at the same time disprove some of the wild speculation that has been brewing. Much of what is and has been going on remains sensitive and confidential, and until I am explicitly told otherwise it will remain so from my side - at which point anyway I'm sure everyone will have moved on with their lives :)

The way I see it, the three most important claims in the video are:

1) Murray will try to compete with a new racquet.

Check. We know this is true because it's already happened.

2) The racquet is the Yonex EZone 100.

Check. We've seen pictures of the racquet. It's clearly Yonex and looks like the EZone 100.

3) Murray chose this racquet after trying out new racquets that he purchased.

At least half a check. He obviously tried it before choosing it, and Murray said the exact same thing as TN: he purchased and went from there with customization.

EDIT: We now have pictures of Murray in the tennis store in Miami.

So, what's the groundbreaking inside info about? That Murray lied and he didn't buy the racquet initially, that someone gave it to him? Even if true, that's not really groundbreaking. Furthermore, it's tough to fault TN for saying the same thing Murray said. Does Murray not count as a source?
 
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AM woke up one day and walked into a retail store and purchased a bunch of retail frames and 10 lbs of lead tape, and figured out where to get the 4-in-1 machine overnight and the hawk-eye that was laying around...

The part about Andy Murray using a hawk eye or similar systems when trying rackets was already corroborated by other sources like Roddick way before this Yonex switch.

Video where Andy Roddick says so himself here:

 

dr325i

G.O.A.T.
Not sure if you're being sarcastic, but you were ridiculing the idea earlier .
No, I was just throwing all pieces of the puzzle in. But yes, I knew that he was using the equipment when testing Head rackets.

I am surprised it did not tell him - you’ll get your assas kicked with that Yonex stiff and thick crap ;)
 

aus89

Hall of Fame
I am sure he’s done that!
We've already seen him do exactly that on camera, specifically the last time he changed racquets - LTA, Tennis Aus etc... all have training courts hooked with hawkeye giving coaches etc... stats and all that kinda stuff - testing variations in strings, racquets or just getting detailed analysis etc... and yes, very sarcastically saying he "figured out where the get the 4 in 1 machine and the hawk-eye that was laying around..." as if LTA don't have hawkeye equipped courts for this purpose, was very clearly you trying to poo poo the idea not "throwing all the pieces of the puzzle in"... be serious for a second here. I'm sorry, you are a font of knowledge, but this is so dumb trying to pass off your comment as not dripping with sarcasm.

 

dr325i

G.O.A.T.
We've already seen him do exactly that on camera, specifically the last time he changed racquets - LTA, Tennis Aus etc... all have training courts hooked with hawkeye giving coaches etc... stats and all that kinda stuff - testing variations in strings, racquets or just getting detailed analysis etc... and yes, very sarcastically saying he "figured out where the get the 4 in 1 machine and the hawk-eye that was laying around..." as if LTA don't have hawkeye equipped courts for this purpose, was very clearly you trying to poo poo the idea not "throwing all the pieces of the puzzle in"... be serious for a second here. I'm sorry, you are a font of knowledge, but this is so dumb trying to pass off your comment as not dripping with sarcasm.

Read my post ABOVE yours before wasting your time and trying to be smart here…

I do know what Murray used and when, and a bit more than you do ;)
 
Read my post ABOVE yours before wasting your time and trying to be smart here…

I do know what Murray used and when, and a bit more than you do ;)

It's not about what you know. People here can see that you're trying to ridicule TN / AM's story in any way you can, including ridiculing the idea of him using devices to measure swing weight / pace / rpm, regardless of whether you knew he did.
 
The veracity of TN’s story was all resolved with AM himself telling more or less the same story. Then insiders come along, supposedly privy to the exact details behind the racquet switch, and hint that AM wasn’t being truthful. It would have been better for these insiders just to not post anything at all … now you’ve piqued ppl’s curiosity, but of course, you’re not allowed to divulge “sensitive” information. Not sure why people do this - so we can admire you for being privy to information that others cannot access? Actually the effect is opposite for me, and I’d imagine others as well. This kind of behavior comes across as obnoxious and elitist; I lose respect for such individuals.
I think the problem here is that people are confusing AI Murray with the real Murray.
 
Evidently due to the high amounts of lead tape and the need for secrecy, the shipment of Andy's first batch of rackets had to be done by military cargo plane. Here is an exclusive photo of the Japanese military plane en route to Bordeaux , being escorted by Royal Air Force jets:

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Who decided a bullseye motif on a military plane was a good idea?
 
I don't care about the details of how he ended up with Yonex. To me the biggest surprise is how extreme the change is from his old racquet to an Ezone 100. It would be much less surprising if he went with the 98 as the 100 is pretty lively.
Last ditch attempt to add some more power to his game before going back to the Heads (cue prodigal son hype) & getting his *** whipped a few more times by relative nobodies before retirement - reminiscent of the whole Shapo situation really.
 

esm

Legend
All the talks about the retail vs pro stock and the amount/length of lead tapes….

How about what inside the handle/butt cap? Did Sir ABM use any silicon and/or how much bluetac did he use? Lol
 

Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
But Murray has/had ‘Prestiges‘ painted as Radicals, Novak has ‘Radicals’ (very loosely based but still) painted as Speeds so the Speeds will have to be painted as Prestiges.
and Oh yea i forgot, Head contract ran out and they dumped andy so he's mad as heck and he won't go back to them. Maybe Wilson racket is better ?? or smaller head Yonex ?
 

MisterP

Hall of Fame
How the heck did you all write a hundred posts, I've only been gone a day
It’s kind of pathetic really. Between the holier than thou posts from a bunch of self professed insiders and everyone else chiming in on it, I’m pretty sick of it.

Andy knows his goals. He knows what he’s doing more than any of you ever will. And if the choice is between slumming it in challengers with the PT57A with no chance for improvement or trying something totally different with the potential for actual improvement, I say go for it.
 

kkm

Hall of Fame
How the heck did you all write a hundred posts, I've only been gone a day
#100 was at the end of page 2, this is page 9 and the thread is comfortably over 400:-D

edit: nvm, I’m guessing you’re pointing out that there are 100 more posts in this thread than when you last looked at it a day ago:laughing:
 

dr325i

G.O.A.T.
It's not about what you know. People here can see that you're trying to ridicule TN / AM's story in any way you can, including ridiculing the idea of him using devices to measure swing weight / pace / rpm, regardless of whether you knew he did.
TN is my friend and I never said anything against him. I know him personally.
However, I do trust Skippy and RS more on this topic ;)
Again, read above. Let me know if you need help understanding what I meant by that post you are after…
 

PistolPete23

Hall of Fame
At least TN has a face, has a name that everyone knows. Same goes for AM (obviously). They’ve also provided separate accounts of how “the switch” happened that’s mutually consistent. Also, a tennis shop in Florida pretty much admitted on IG that AM bought racquets from them. That, to me, is more substantial than the zero-evidence provided by the insiders. I’m not going to trust somebody just based on their reputation on TTW lol. Who are they anyway? Racquet customizers for pros? They work on AM’s team? TN got the scoop from his unnamed sources. Are said sources less credible than the insiders in this thread? Whole thing is bizarre …

Edit: Furthermore, TN never claimed that AM continued to only play with or test the racquet he purchased from the store. In fact, he said that AM had Yonex send him a set of racquets following his initial personal experiments with the frame. So I'm not sure why RS keeps talking about how the picture that was posted with the RS decal on the throat disproves TN's vid. What am I missing?
 
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socallefty

G.O.A.T.
It is all a conspiracy by Head/Murray to diminish the reputation of Yonex. Murray will keep losing badly for a while and then switch back to a Head Speed racquet. Then everyone will be left to make the assumption that the best tweener out there is the Speed and not the EZone 100. Mystery solved:cool:
 

Chopin

Hall of Fame
Some of the posts in this thread are bizarre. No true insiders who work with Murray are going to come on here and essentially say, "he's a liar." Professionals who worked for/with Murray wouldn't do that.

We know Murray is trying a new Yonex racquet. That's it. There's no insider info out there that could be remotely interesting. Posters saying, "I know more than you" are just trying to get a rise out of people. There couldn't be anything interesting to know, at least to me. If the insider info involves whether he bought racquets in a shop, as he said he did, or his team helped him get the process started, who cares? (As others have pointed out, the two aren't mutually exclusive).
 

aus89

Hall of Fame
Read my post ABOVE yours before wasting your time and trying to be smart here…

I do know what Murray used and when, and a bit more than you do ;)
That's not the point which is pretty obvious from my post... my point is you facetiously going "omg as if he just had a hawkeye lying around" then backtracking and saying you were just "throwing all the pieces of the puzzle in" - come on now, it's very obvious what you were trying to say. My point is you being rude and condescending about things that are accurate (that Murray uses hawkeye to test racquets and for training, which YOU know and I know... so im not sure why you tried to make out like it was a ridiculous statement, which is what I was trying to make the point of), but I guess "insider" status does that to one's ego ;)
 

kkm

Hall of Fame
AM walking into a shop and buying the racquets because he liked them is a better story for Yonex.

There is a story involving Sly Stallone and Panerai watches, which I linked in post 421:
 
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