Discussion in 'General Pro Player Discussion' started by Antonio Puente, May 13, 2009.
Who is the better player?
Hard courts- right now Murray. Career achievements Djokovic
Clay- right now Djokovic. Career achievements Djokovic
Grass- right now Djokovic. Career achievments Djokovic
Djokovic. Murray has the edge on HC now, but like lambielspins said, Djokovic is currently better on the other surfaces.
Didn't Djokovic lose 2nd round in Wimby last year while Murray made the quarters?
This is correct. However, he gave Nadal a hell of a match in Queens final 2008 and made the semis of Wimbledon in 2007.
1 slam > 0 slams.
Djoker. Everything about him is better than Murray... jk jk. But I think Djoker is better on clay and grass, and they're quite close on hardcourts... so Djoker overall.
Obviously Djokovic. This question could be a lot more interesting at the end of this year or next.
Murray wiped the floor with djokovic in Miami and Cincy.
The rankings show who is better.
This year Murray is better so far. Djokovic had a very bad start. Now he is gradually coming to good shape. Have to wait till post-Wimbledon tourneys. Murray looks more fit. Djokovic may have problems, if he has to play 5-setters. On clay Djokovic is far above Murray, but I don't think he's better on grass. Murray lost in the quarterfinals only because he played vs future champ.
Djoker on clay >>>>> Murray. And Djoker on hard I would say is now close to Murray (he has his confidence back). Djoker on grass still looks better than Murray. That is why Djoker > Murray. And from the poll results, that's what most people think.
It says a lot about Murray's improvement over the last 12 months that this is even a reasonable question.
There's not doubt that Novak has achieved more than Murray to date - that slam win goes a long way. On those grounds then Novak is the better player.
That said, Murray has won their last 3 matches without dropping a set and is currently ranked higher. I also believe that Murray is fitter than Novak at this time.
I guess it all depends on the definition of 'better'.
Djokovic is the better all surface player so Djokovic.
I'd agree - now.
But if the question were re-phrased to say "Who will be considered the better player at the end of their career" I would probably say Murray. But not by much - very tight.
Djokovic. Although Murray is improving he still has a long way to go on clay. As mentioned before Murray has to win a slam at least to be compared with Djoko's achievments.
Djokovic is second behind Nadal in the ATP Race this year. In the last 52 weeks, Murray was better. In 2009, so far, Djokovic has been better. Overall, Djokovic has achieved more than Murray. One more Masters series, a YEC (or the new WTF), and a slam. Plus he has made the semis of all four grand slams. Obviously Djokovic.
On hardcourts Murray hasn't beaten any top 4 player on any surface outside of hardcourts. But when you consider their recent meetings Murray has one them convincingly and the rankings pretty much show it
I reckon the guy with the slam win and another slam final to his name is a bit better than the guy whose best achievement in a slam is a straight-sets defeat.
Djokovic is better...
Murray has mopped the floor with Djokovic in their last 3 meetings, is now higher ranked, yet this poll is so lopsided? What a joke.
Here's a thought. Try and remember what happened beyond the last month. Talk about fickle. Djokovic is a better clay courter, Murray is clearly a better HC player right now. Grass is hard to say. Need to reserve judgement. You can't judge who the best player is right now based on a slam win over a year ago.
I buy this.
Murray is obviously the better player at the moment, hence his move to being ranked 3rd in the world!
I'm guessing people are not voting for him because either they just don't like him as he annoys so many people (that's why I like him), or people think the ATP rankings are wrong!
Murray will finish the year ranked 3 in the world and will be higher than Djokovic
Jokes no doubt
much MUCH MUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCH BETTER
by a country mile
give Andy (boring) Murray credit
for such a weak game, he's mentally there to challenge the top
doesn't deserve a slam though
i find his style of play annoying
I hated Henman but at least he S&V'd and had the heart
Murray just annoys me
And Djokovic is a fan favorite?
Murray is the best of the two when you use the term atheleticism and "got game"...I've lost all respect for "da-joker" spelled WIMP!
Murray is constantly underrated, the poll result here is ridiculous!!!
I havn't been a big Murray fan until recently, but his mental strength at the moment is only bettered by Nadal, and if this continues Murray will be ranked 2 in the world at some point next year!!!
Djokovic's got all the tools, but Murray is a very smart tennis player and a very good defender. In terms of achivements Djokovic gets the edge, but on overall ability I think it's a toss up.
WOW, can't wait to see Murray give the Djoke some beatings he will never forget.
Djokovic better all around
They are both excellent but yes Djoko has done better in slams so far. I would give a slight advantage to Murray on hard and to Djoko on clay.
I wouldn't argue that in the past Djokovic was a better player. But that was the past. Murray is now currently the better player for sure. Mentally and Strategically Murray is stronger, and that's what in the end wins matches at the top level!!!
If Murray continues like this, he will be number 2 in the world at some point next year
You want to rethink that?
My vote goes to Djokovic, but I think it's a little bit too early to tell. Murray has been making quantum leaps.
Why would he? Murray is the world number 3 and has beaten Djokovic the last 3 times that they played. Your memory doesn't seem to extend beyond the clay court season. Djokovic is the better clay courter and Murray is the better hard court player.
Seriously, people on here are so fickle. You seem to forget that Murray has routined Djokovic 3 times in the last year.
Djoker has the more exciting game and seems to be a lighter character.
Beating someone 7-6 7-6 isn't "routine".
The scoreline is deceiving. Djokovic was pretty much beaten and just started swinging for the fences when Murray was serving for the match. The scoreline flattered Djokovic in the Cinci final.
I'll take your word for it can't really remember the match.
Perhaps you're the fickle one who got too high on a few Masters Series wins and the hardcourt season while currently attempting to selectively ignore the entire clay court season.
Uh, I'm not ignoring the clay court season. Maybe you missed the part where I said Djokovic is the better clay courter. Learn to read.
I'm not basing my opinion on the last month of tennis. It was no secret that Nole plays better on clay and was going to do better during the clay stretch. You, however, are completely ignoring everything prior to the clay, a period in which Murray was streets ahead of Djokovic.
I think it's a bit early to say. Both players will develop their games in the future. Djokovic is clearly the superior clay courter, and I would say they're pretty close on HCs and grass.
Djokovic, however, has something that Murray doesn't - a grand slam title. That alone makes him the more successful player.
He's more successful, but that doesn't mean he's better. Thomas Johansson has a grand slam title, too, but I wouldn't say he's better than a lot of players who don't have one.
I also don't think they are particularly close on hard. Murray has been by far the better player on hard in the last year, while Djokovic has been by far the better clay courter. What I would say is that the difference between them on clay is bigger than it is on hard.
Well, when does this period of comparison begin and end for you? Djokovic has been much better on clay and just won a slam last year while Murray has yet to win one. So, if you're going with recent history, it's Djokovic, and if you're going with their entire histories, it's Djokovic. But yes, I suppose if you have selectively chosen last fall as your reference point for comparison and end in March, you could go with Murray.
I haven't selectively chosen anything. I'm talking about the last 12 months, which is what the ATP also judges on. The irony is that you want to judge over the last 16 months so that we can include Nole's GS title. You're the one choosing selectively.
I'm saying that Murray has been the better hardcourt player and Nole has been the better clay court player. You can't grasp such a basic concept, though. You have the memory span of a goldfish. You think because Djokovic had a better clay court season that he is now the better player. What about the hard court season? Should we just ignore that because it's inconvenient for your point of view?
Murray has clearly shown that he is now a better hard court player. You can't just gloss over that fact because Djokovic has been better on the clay. You can't just ignore Murray's routine win over Nole in Miami.
Aren't they close on hard? Sure, Djoko lost the last 3 matches to Murray on HCs, but those matches happenned when Djokovic wasn't exactly playing his AO 2008 tennis.
Djokovic also has HC Masters Series titles to back up his GS - Indian Wells and Canada (not to mention a TMC title in his pocket). I agree Murray had a better HC season since the end of 2008 (with winning Cincy, Madrid, and Miam, USO final), but I wouldn't say yet that he's the overall better HC player. That would be unfair to Djokovic.
On clay, Djoko has reached multiple finals, and won a Masters, where Murray has never gotten close to anything like that.
On grass, none of them has proved to be anything special (I hope it changes this year, I want some variety at Wimbly), so I'd say they're about equal (Djoko with the edge though with reaching Wimbly semis once, and Queens final).
Trust me, I like Murray way more than I do Djokovic (heck, I like almost any player more than I like Djokovic), but credit where credit is due - I think Djokovic has proved to be the better player. As far as talent goes, I think both of them are very talented (Djoko's game more appealing to the eye though I think).
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