Murray vs Nadal at the 2015 FO - who would've won?

Murray vs Nadal - 2015 FO? Who wins?

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Dat is the question.

Nadal got straight setted at the FO by Djokovic. Murray pushed Djokovic to 5 sets in the next round. The Murray also beat Nadal 6-3 6-2 in the final of Madrid just weeks before. For comparison Djokovic beat Nadal 6-3 6-3 in Monte Carlo. So Murray was 25% more effective, right?

Wat say u?
 
If Nadal gets past Djokovic, he's good enough to get past Murray also. He would be brimming with confidence, and immediately become a heavyweight fav for the title again imo.
 
Maybe Rafa would have got his confidence back if he beat Djoko. But nevertheless, Stan was waiting in the final, so not sure if Rafa could have pulled off a win there.
 
I thought of making this thread today, you read my mind :P

If they met at any round? I'd still go for Nadal despite his form. No matter if your question is IF he got past Djokovic, or played him before djokovic. Nadal is my pick.

I've said it before and gonna say it again, Djokovic was the one and only who could eliminate Rafa. Rafa got to the quarters, he is winning that title if djokovic is not there despite his worst year on clay pre-FO.
 
Hitman said:
If Nadal gets past Djokovic, he's good enough to get past Murray also. He would be brimming with confidence, and immediately become a heavyweight fav for the title again imo.
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Interesting point. It would certainly seem that if Nadal had been good enough to beat Djokovic, then he would have been back to playing at his best again. On the other hand, if he had met Murray instead of Djokovic, I think Murray would have still been riding on the confidence of his Madrid victory and all bets would have been off.
 
Mainad said:
Interesting point. It would certainly seem that if Nadal had been good enough to beat Djokovic, then he would have been back to playing at his best again. On the other hand, if he had met Murray instead of Djokovic, I think Murray would have still been riding on the confidence of his Madrid victory and all bets would have been off.
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I'm thinking Nadal in 4 no matter when they met, if it is after nadal beats djoko or not etc.
 
RF-18 said:
I'm thinking Nadal in 4 no matter when they met, if it is after nadal beats djoko or not etc.
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Not sure what you mean. If Nadal had met Murray instead of Djokovic and played the same way against him, I'm pretty confident he would have still have lost.
 
Mainad said:
Not sure what you mean. If Nadal had met Murray instead of Djokovic and played the same way against him, I'm pretty confident he would have still have lost.
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That is the thing, I'm not so sure Nadal would've lost if he met Murray in that quarter instead. I think Nadal wins the tournament if we exclude Djokovic.

All respect to Murray but clay is not really his thing when it comes to taking down the big guys.
 
tennis_pro said:
Dat is the question.

Nadal got straight setted at the FO by Djokovic. Murray pushed Djokovic to 5 sets in the next round. The Murray also beat Nadal 6-3 6-2 in the final of Madrid just weeks before. For comparison Djokovic beat Nadal 6-3 6-3 in Monte Carlo. So Murray was 25% more effective, right?

Wat say u?
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6–3, 6–2, 6–1

Seriously, Murray is not beating Nadal at the French. Djokovic should have closed out the semi in straights, but he went on one of his patented French Open mental walkabouts, and the rest is history. Nadal wouldn't allow that.

Nadal in 4 this year
 
RF-18 said:
That is the thing, I'm not so sure Nadal would've lost if he met Murray in that quarter instead. I think Nadal wins the tournament if we exclude Djokovic.

All respect to Murray but clay is not really his thing when it comes to taking down the big guys.
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Weird because Nadal is the first big guy he took down on clay.
 
IMO the only way Nadal was reaching the semis is if he played Federer in the QF.

Murray,Wawrinka, Djokovic, all 3 of them would have beaten Nadal.
 
RF-18 said:
That is the thing, I'm not so sure Nadal would've lost if he met Murray in that quarter instead. I think Nadal wins the tournament if we exclude Djokovic.

All respect to Murray but clay is not really his thing when it comes to taking down the big guys.
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Not normally no but nevertheless he HAD done so in the final of Nadal's most senior home tournament only a few weeks earlier and I feel that Nadal would have needed to up his game if he wasn't going to lose to him again just like he did against Djokovic.
 
RF-18 said:
Well it's FO, BO5, clay is different there from Madrid, etc. Many things in Nadals favour.
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This BO5 aspect is just bridge under the water now. I'm not buying it anymore.

Everybody was saying how FO was best of 5 and favors Nadal and yet he got destroyed by Djokovic just as easily.

Everybody was saying how BO5 at the USO favors Nadal vs Fognini and yet the BO5 format is what ruined Nadal vs Fabio.
 
Mainad said:
Not normally no but nevertheless he HAD done so in the final of Nadal's most senior home tournament only a few weeks earlier and I feel that Nadal would have needed to up his game if he wasn't going to lose to him again just like he did against Djokovic.
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I think it would have been interesting to see Nadal v Murray at RG this BEFORE the Djokovic match, because I think after that, there would only likely be one winner.
 
Hitman said:
I think it would have been interesting to see Nadal v Murray at RG this BEFORE the Djokovic match, because I think after that, there would only likely be one winner.
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Let's hope Nadal gets a win that gives him back his much needed confidence.
 
Murray had just thrashed Nadal on clay 2 weeks before the FO. I say Murray would have beaten Nadal in four sets, the last set being 6-2.

The Nadal at RG this year was a very pale shadow of what a BEAST he once was there.
 
Depends on the situation.

Murray in the QF instead of Djoker? Nadal in 5.

Murray in the SF? Nadal in 3.
 
NextGeneration said:
If Nadal beat Djokovic then played Murray he would be playing well and pretty sure he would win. If he played Murray before instead of Djokovic in his poor form Murray would thrash him.
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Don't know about that. Murray would win the first couple of sets of course, but I had a feeling Nadal was finding some rhythm during the match; Djoker just didn't let him keep it. A guy like Murray would have more trouble doing that and his mentality isn't as good as Djoker's, so he might fail under the weight of expectation (Lendl is gone). I'd say Nadal in 5 grueling sets if they met in the QF.
 
RF-18 said:
I've said it before and gonna say it again, Djokovic was the one and only who could eliminate Rafa. Rafa got to the quarters, he is winning that title if djokovic is not there despite his worst year on clay pre-FO.
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What will you say after Nadal loses to someone else in RG 2016? He hasn't won any of the clay masters and djoko wasn't the only one who beat him.
 
Married Murray has only lost to Married Men since he's been Married. :)
 
Let us go back to their Madrid encounter. After he beat Berdych in the SF, many were convinced that the old Nadal is back, strong as ever. But he got smoked so bad in the final to none other than Murray, a guy who had never won anything significant on clay. Truth be told, he played what I thought was maybe his worst match ever on the surface, but the message was clear - no RG for him this year. It was confirmed after his awful loss to Wawrinka in Rome.

Now, I'm not sure if Murray would persevere in Bo5 match the same way he did at Madrid Open, but I wouldn't dismiss that possibility. One important thing is that Nadal gave up on his FO mission after he was two sets down to Djokovic. I have never seen him surrender before the match was over, like he did on that day. He knew he doesn't have it in him anymore. I would still give him slight advantage against Murray, but certainly not against Wawrinka.
 
Dont think the OP is asking if they met in the SF. If Nadal had somehow beaten Nole in the quarters, there was no way anyone was beating him. Period. Not even beast-mode Waw.
If they had met, considering the form of both players in that tournament, will have to go with Murray. But only just...
 
moonballs said:
What will you say after Nadal loses to someone else in RG 2016? He hasn't won any of the clay masters and djoko wasn't the only one who beat him.
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Only if Nadal plays worse than how he played this year. Even 2015 Nadal wouldve beaten almost everyone at RG. Nadal wasnt playing that badly this year, just not his best. And it took a very disciplined performance by Djokovic to beat him. No one else (except maybe Waw) was beating Nadal this year
 
Would take Murray in 4 tbh. Nadal was just hitting sitters the whole tournament. He was clearly out of it. Murray took Djokovic to 5.
 
Hard to say. It has been a season when Berdych bludgeoned him at AO, pulverised in FO by Nole, destroyed by Brown at SW19 and was suckered punched by the Fog at Flushing.

With Murray's form on clay in 2015, I would have fancied that Andy could have beaten Rafa.
 
Nadal was never beating Djokovic. If Djokovic had to retire, then Murray in 4.. or 3.

If Nadal has miracled his way past Djokovic then Murray in 4.. or 3. Sod the confidence nonsense, he wasn't physically fit enough to win.
 
People who say Nadal couldn't beat Wawrinka forget that he's never lost in a RG final. Nadal would have been a mental beast against Stan. And, it was bright and sunny on the day of the final. That's advantage Nadal. Wawrinka has a massive backhand, but it's still a one-handed BH. Nadal would have bounded Stan's BH with his high-lefty FH, and after hitting so many shots above shoulder-level, Stan's BH would have eventually broken down. Stan didn't face that problem when he beat Nadal at Rome (it was a night match in cool conditions).
 
It's hard to say because of the confidence factor of beating Djokovic, as a lot of people have already stated.

The more interesting question would be if he had a walkover vs Djokovic, how would he fair against Murray in the next round. At the level he was at this year, I think Murray would have a chance to win too. Stan definitely would have the game to beat him (or anyone else at the French).
 
Nadal is now like a neutered bulldog. He was trash like roddick, glad to see him fade away.

Murray is stronger than him now, nadal had trouble with slice on the juice, murray would eat him up since nadal cant hit it past the service line now.
 
Chadillac said:
Nadal is now like a neutered bulldog. He was trash like roddick, glad to see him fade away.

Murray is stronger than him now, nadal had trouble with slice on the juice, murray would eat him up since nadal cant hit it past the service line now.
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He achieved more than you ever have so your decline to father time will be a much sadder tune.
 
Murray in 3 easy sets,nadal wouldnt have got 4 games in the first set....probably 6-2 6-3 6-2.The only reason nads got to 4 in the first against djok was djok couldnt believe how easily he was winning and had a brain fade.
 
MichaelNadal said:
He achieved more than you ever have so your decline to father time will be a much sadder tune.
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After all the sh*t he did, he will be going down alot faster than i will. I noticed your in orlando, which club do you play at?

Ill give you a deal and make you twice as good as you are currently. 0 * 2 = 0 :p

Its nice to see players from where im at, if your ever downtown let me know. I like talking junk to locals, nothing personal :)
 
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Chadillac said:
After all the sh*t he did, he will be going down alot faster than i will. I noticed your in orlando, which club do you play at?

Ill give you a deal and make you twice as good as you are currently. 0 * 2 = 0 :p

Its nice to see players from where im at, if your ever downtown let me know. I like talking junk to locals, nothing personal :)
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The only "sh*t" Nadal did was dare to beat Federer in his prime. I wish someone would commit that kind of crime against Ultron ;)
I absolutely suck, I hit some decent backhands though, need to get better, but haven't hit since 2012. Had I kept hitting I'd probably be pretty decent by now, but like working out, it's just something I've never dedicated myself to.
 
MichaelNadal said:
The only "sh*t" Nadal did was dare to beat Federer in his prime. I wish someone would commit that kind of crime against Ultron ;)
I absolutely suck, I hit some decent backhands though, need to get better, but haven't hit since 2012. Had I kept hitting I'd probably be pretty decent by now, but like working out, it's just something I've never dedicated myself to.
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Gday Micheal,but you're wrong.nadal never beat Federer playing by the rules.How's the new job by the way?
 
LETitBE said:
Gday Micheal,but you're wrong.nadal never beat Federer playing by the rules.How's the new job by the way?
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Of course he didn't, it's impossible that anyone could ever beat Federer. Only Roger is allowed to play at that level. Anyone else is a cheater on roids. @thenewjob, it's good, I'm here now, 45 mins till freedom :) nights go by faster here than in NC because there was less paperwork there.
 
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duaneeo said:
People who say Nadal couldn't beat Wawrinka forget that he's never lost in a RG final. Nadal would have been a mental beast against Stan. And, it was bright and sunny on the day of the final. That's advantage Nadal. Wawrinka has a massive backhand, but it's still a one-handed BH. Nadal would have bounded Stan's BH with his high-lefty FH, and after hitting so many shots above shoulder-level, Stan's BH would have eventually broken down. Stan didn't face that problem when he beat Nadal at Rome (it was a night match in cool conditions).
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From now on he will still not lose a RG final, by not in the final.
 
Apun94 said:
Only if Nadal plays worse than how he played this year. Even 2015 Nadal wouldve beaten almost everyone at RG. Nadal wasnt playing that badly this year, just not his best. And it took a very disciplined performance by Djokovic to beat him. No one else (except maybe Waw) was beating Nadal this year
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Did you think it was possible that Djoloviv won in straight sets? A bunch of people thought that was outright impossible. If you didn't see it coming you should perhaps reevaluate his level. Murray just beat him in a clay masters final; wawrinka in a SF. Then in the USO he lost a 2:0 lead to a hard court mug Fognini. Whatever edge in the fifth set he used to have is nolonger here. The new Rafa has a great FH, ok BH, but average serve, speed and stamina. The overall package is no longer good enough to make SF in non RG slams. In RG he can still be one of the four finalist but it will be uphill from there.
 
moonballs said:
Did you think it was possible that Djoloviv won in straight sets? A bunch of people thought that was outright impossible. If you didn't see it coming you should perhaps reevaluate his level. Murray just beat him in a clay masters final; wawrinka in a SF. Then in the USO he lost a 2:0 lead to a hard court mug Fognini. Whatever edge in the fifth set he used to have is nolonger here. The new Rafa has a great FH, ok BH, but average serve, speed and stamina. The overall package is no longer good enough to make SF in non RG slams. In RG he can still be one of the four finalist but it will be uphill from there.
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Hopefully he gets himself together, bc his level this year is just insanely bad in comparison to how he should be playing. There's just no excuse for losing to Fognini from 2 sets and a break up.
 
MichaelNadal said:
The only "sh*t" Nadal did was dare to beat Federer in his prime. I wish someone would commit that kind of crime against Ultron ;)
I absolutely suck, I hit some decent backhands though, need to get better, but haven't hit since 2012. Had I kept hitting I'd probably be pretty decent by now, but like working out, it's just something I've never dedicated myself to.
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I believe Stan W has already been arrested by the Tennis Police and is in custody awaiting trial! Andy has already served time and he and Roger have just been issued with another warning!;)
 
Hitman said:
If Nadal gets past Djokovic, he's good enough to get past Murray also. He would be brimming with confidence, and immediately become a heavyweight fav for the title again imo.
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I'd have to agree with Rambo-Rocky. Comparing a straight-set-losing Rafa to in-form Murray is pointless.

If we're to assume Rafa is good enough to pass Novak, then he would crush Murray. Otherwise Murray played superior tennis to Rafa this FO.
 
RF-18 said:
I thought of making this thread today, you read my mind :p

If they met at any round? I'd still go for Nadal despite his form. No matter if your question is IF he got past Djokovic, or played him before djokovic. Nadal is my pick.

I've said it before and gonna say it again, Djokovic was the one and only who could eliminate Rafa. Rafa got to the quarters, he is winning that title if djokovic is not there despite his worst year on clay pre-FO.
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:-D:giggle::laughing:
 
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