Murray will end up with a better record than Nadal at 3/4 slams

cockneyDjoker

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This is the reason why Nadal is extremely overrated in the GOAT debate. Djokovic and Federer have a lot more weeks as number 1 and have a better record at 3/4 slams. I'm also willing to bet that Murray will also have a better record than Nadal at 3/4 slams.
 

cockneyDjoker

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5 finals > 3 finals
Anyway all I'm saying is that Murray will end his career with a better record at 3/4 slams than Nadal. I don't know how some people can consider Nadal as a GOAT contender when in a few years 3 players from this generation will have a better record at 3/4 slams than Nadal.
 

Noleberic123

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Anyway all I'm saying is that Murray will end his career with a better record at 3/4 slams than Nadal. I don't know how some people can consider Nadal as a GOAT contender when in a few years 3 players from this generation will have a better record at 3/4 slams than Nadal.
2 players. Djokovic and Federer
 
Nadal sucks on grass. Look at the players he's lost to over the years. Murray's overall record is better and doesn't have a bunch of R1 and R2 losses.
You're contradicting yourself. If results are a criteria, than Nadal has clearly superior showings on grass, including more finals.

As for Nadal being poor , you simply have to look at his 06 - 08 showings. Nadal at his peak, was tremendously good.
 
This is the reason why Nadal is extremely overrated in the GOAT debate. Djokovic and Federer have a lot more weeks as number 1 and have a better record at 3/4 slams. I'm also willing to bet that Murray will also have a better record than Nadal at 3/4 slams.
Just like you were willing to bet that Djokovic would win Wimbledon this year. Didn't go that well, did it? Maybe you shouldn't be so cocky?;)
 

fundrazer

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You don't know how people can think one way... Meanwhile, there's a whole bunch of people with no clue as to how you can think some of this stupid stuff. Nadal sucks on grass but hasn't lost to Murray on that surface.
 

Noleberic123

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You're contradicting yourself. If results are a criteria, than Nadal has clearly superior showings on grass, including more finals.

As for Nadal being poor , you simply have to look at his 06 - 08 showings. Nadal at his peak, was tremendously good.
2006-2011. 2012-2015 sucks I agree. But he is still better than Murray on grass
 

killerboi2

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I don't know how some people can consider Nadal as a GOAT contender when in a few years 3 players from this generation will have a better record at 3/4 slams than Nadal.

14 slams, very good head to head against Federer and 9-4 against Djokovic in slams might have something to do with why people consider him a GOAT candidate.
 

cockneyDjoker

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Huh? Murray's record at ANY of the slams are not as good as Nadal's. What in the hell are you talking about?
I'm talking about when Murray retires. Murray realistically has a better chance of winning more slams. Nadal OTOH will not win another slam on grass or hardcourts.
 

Noveson

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I'm talking about when Murray retires. Murray realistically has a better chance of winning more slams. Nadal OTOH will not win another slam on grass or hardcourts.

LOL so you're saying Murray is going to win 2 Australian Opens, 2 more US Opens, and 1 more Wimbledon?????
Even with that he would still be 6 slams behind.
 

cockneyDjoker

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LOL so you're saying Murray is going to win 2 Australian Opens, 2 more US Opens, and 1 more Wimbledon?????
Even with that he would still be 6 slams behind.
Some can argue he's already better at Wimbledon and that he only needs 1 Austarlian open and another 1 us open.
 

Noveson

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Some can argue he's already better at Wimbledon and that he only needs 1 Austarlian open and another 1 us open.

....So a tie means he has a better record? This post is all kinds of ****ty. I mean hell Nadal isn't a god on grass but he did beat the greatest player/grass court player of all time on grass.
 

cockneyDjoker

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Yeah. Murray is going to win the next 9 French Opens and the extra final will be the tiebreaker.
You're missing the point. I never said Murray would be better at the French open but you can't rule him out having a better record than Nadal at the other 3 slams. he's not that far behind Nadal.
 

Noleberic123

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You're missing the point. I never said Murray would be better at the French open but you can't rule him out having a better record than Nadal at the other 3 slams. he's not that far behind Nadal.
1 AO, 1 USO and 1 more Wimby seems like a mountain to climb for Murray who has only won that many in his entire career.
 

cockneyDjoker

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....So a tie means he has a better record? This post is all kinds of ****ty. I mean hell Nadal isn't a god on grass but he did beat the greatest player/grass court player of all time on grass.
you have to consider some of the players he's lost to on grass. Murray's far more consistant than Nadal on grass. The last time Nadal reached the QF was 2011.
 
I never thought Novak would win. I always believed in Raonic to win. Which he nearly did :):):)
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Charlemagne

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I really hope not.. Murray a great tennis player, but i'm getting tired of him and Djokovic taking advantage of the obvious vacuum existing in men's tennis due to the declines of Federer and Nadal.
 

Antonio Puente

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This is the reason why Nadal is extremely overrated in the GOAT debate. Djokovic and Federer have a lot more weeks as number 1 and have a better record at 3/4 slams. I'm also willing to bet that Murray will also have a better record than Nadal at 3/4 slams.

Of the three, only Djoker ever manned-up against a healthy Nadal, and that was relatively fleeting. #2011Djokerforever

Murray - Nadal has a winning record vs. Murray on every surface(and a mere 11+ slams).

Djoker and Fed? Nadal has a combined winning record against the two in slams outside RG... on their preferred surfaces. Their combined slam record against Nadal on his preferred surface, clay? 1-11.

When you take an ovjective look at how all three actually performed against a healthy Nadal, Rafa is the last of the group one should ever use the term "overrated" on.

You have three better choices. Take your pick.
 

Rafa the King

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Dear oh dear....
AO: 1-1
RG: 2-0
WI: 3-0
US: 1-1

Murray needs 2 AO's to get ahead of him, RG not possible, Wimbledon Rafa had to go through peak Fed for one of his Wimbledons. Murray's route to this title was M1000 worthy and Rafa beat him there 3 times. US Murray needs 2 to go ahead of him. Murray ain't winning 5 slams :)
 
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nowhereman

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You could make the argument for Wimbledon currently, but it'll be a lot tougher at the HC slams. Winning 1 at the AO would probably put him ahead of Nadal due to the million extra finals, but he'll probably need 3 at the USO. And as I said before, it's not even widely accepted that Murray is above Nadal at Wimbledon, so he might need another title there too. I don't see Murray winning that many more slams when he's already 29.
 
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nowhereman

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Dear oh dear....
AO: 1-1
RG: 2-0
WI: 3-0
US: 1-1

Murray needs 2 AO's to get ahead of him, RG not possible, Wimbledon Rafa had to go through peak Fed for one of his Wimbledons. Murray's route to this title was M1000 worthy and Rafa beat him there 3 times. US Murray needs 2 to go ahead of him. Murray ain't winning 5 slams :)
I don't think so. I think with 1 title there along with his extra finals and consistent year-to-year results, he'll be above him at the AO. JMO of course.
 

TupeloDanger

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The Hubble freaking telescope can't see where Nadal is on the GOAT list from where Murray is. If God himself came down from heaven above and gifted Murray six more slams right this instant? Nadal would still be too far ahead to see.
 

West Coast Ace

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14 slams, very good head to head against Federer and 9-4 against Djokovic in slams might have something to do with why people consider him a GOAT candidate.
Some people? Yeah, those who don't know much.

I like how you twist the H2H vs Djokovic - 'in slams' - typical. But the H2H vs Fed, largely played on clay - they all count. Sure, pal.

And you left out Nadal's mastery at the WTF... :)
 
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