Murray will end up with a better record than Nadal at 3/4 slams

punterlad said:
Erm isn't it 6-1 h2h at FO in Nadal favour? I think the less said about 2015 the better for u lot!! Given djokovic beat nadal's shadow I dont really count it as relevant and anyway djokovic didn't win the tournament so it was an irrelevant win on that count too.

How can nadal be djokovic ***** when he is 9-4 ahead h2h in the majors which are best of five sets so the true test? It's the other way round sunshine.

Djokovic could never winnthe French open by beating nadal. That is a fact...looks like you have to deal with reality. 14 -12
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Over the last 2 years Nadal has been Djokovic b***h. Outside RG Djokovic leads the H2H in majors and leads the H2H overall which will only widen as time goes by.
 
cockneyDjoker said:
You've got to remember Nadal is only a year older than Djokovic.
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And you've got to remember that Nadal won his first slam 3 years before Djokovic, and that Nadal already had 9 slams by the time Djokovic only had 1.

But injuries is the most compelling case to defend Nadal. Without his extensive breaks due to injury Nadal might have matched or surpassed Federer. Similarly, Djokovic would have 5 or 6 slams with the amount of injuries Nadal has suffered.
 
Rusty Shackleford said:
And you've got to remember that Nadal won his first slam 3 years before Djokovic, and that Nadal already had 9 slams by the time Djokovic only had 1.

But injuries is the most compelling case to defend Nadal. Without his extensive breaks due to injury Nadal might have matched or surpassed Federer. Similarly, Djokovic would have 5 or 6 slams with the amount of injuries Nadal has suffered.
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That might be true. but Djokovic never gets injured because he looks after his body incredibly well and spends hours a day stretching.
 
cockneyDjoker said:
Over the last 2 years Nadal has been Djokovic b***h. Outside RG Djokovic leads the H2H in majors and leads the H2H overall which will only widen as time goes by.
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Nope!! Sweetheart it's 2-1 to rafa at us open and its 1-1 at wimbledon and 0-1 at AO!! Now that to me seems dead level!! At least in my education system I grew up in that's how the total works out. So the fact they are level without taking into account nadals best surface is the concrete evidence nadal owns djokovic. Because mate 6-1 on nadals best surface at that level is a bit embarrassing for his closest rival who can't own nadal anywhere.

Sorry mate it's just how it is I can't change history.
 
Djokovic2011 said:
No player has ever won the French Open by beating Nadal so does that mean Rafa's RG titles are the only ones that are valid? ;)
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You miss the point. In terms of kudos between the great three, the fact neither of the other two beat nadal to win the FO but nadal beat them on their best surfaces is definite massive kudos to nadal.
 
punterlad said:
Certainly handed him his ass a few weeks earlier!!
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Clay + mono.

Fed is still the GOAT. But I do have a lot more respect for Nadul's achievements rather than those of Borovic. Nadul actually won slams off peak GOATerer (although tbf most are clay, 1 is 08 Mono Fed and 09 AO was on the new pusher mug blue surface)

GOATerer > Sampras > Nadul = top 3 of all time. Wimbledon and US open carry the most weight.
 
KINGROGER said:
Clay + mono.

Fed is still the GOAT. But I do have a lot more respect for Nadul's achievements rather than those of Borovic. Nadul actually won slams off peak GOATerer (although tbf most are clay, 1 is 08 Mono Fed and 09 AO was on the new pusher mug blue surface)

GOATerer > Sampras > Nadul = top 3 of all time. Wimbledon and US open carry the most weight.
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I've never said federer is or isn't goat. What ive said is that nadal has a claim as does federer. Two of the greatest sportsmen of all time.

You raise sampras. Now, this is interesting. Obviously u can imagine I shall say golden career slam plush number of masters 1000 push nadal over sampras. No argument wimbledon is the biggest, but I thought the FO was more prestigious than USO marginally? Im sure there was a player poll some years back that had FO ahead of USO. I know the AO is a lot bigger than it used to be but still, im not sure it has that much kudos compared to the other three.

I enjoy debating with a sensible fan as you are. The thing about sampras is that while I would have him below nadal and federer that is using a rather basic measure of who won what. However if I went into more detail I could make an argument for sampras as the GOAT. Certainly at his very best level ive never seen anyone better, not even federer. Sampras when he was on had every single shot in the book as does federer but sampras did it all about harder and better. He couldn't maintain his best form though as often as federer.

Sampras may well have won the French open in this era. To be blunt for a decade the tour had the greatest player of all time and probably who ever will live on clay. But outside of him there were no quality clay courters who specialises solely on it.

In Sampras era not only did he have great all court baseliners like courier and agassi, he also had muster, bruguera, medbedev, Moyà and kuerten. It was harder for sampras to win the FO then it has been for federer and djokovic. Reason? Because if nadal was injured or past his peak then it was a practical cake walk .

Sampras had no such luxury. In fact I think in 1996 he got bruguera and courier then kafelnikov (another excellent clay courter).

So while I would have nadal and federer ahead of sampras I certainly wouldn't get all wound up over anyone saying sampras ahead of nadal or indeed federer.
 
cockneyDjoker said:
Nadal is simply Novak's b***h. :cool::cool::cool:

So deal with it. :p:p:p:D:D:D
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9-4 B I T C H
3-3 outside RG
Congratz on beating the lowest Rafa has been since 2004. Would have meant something in 2012-2014. 2016 no guarantee, Rafa was looking good and that Rome match was extremely close. Rafa has beaten Novak at RG after losing at M1000 on multiple occasions
 
@punterlad All slams are just as hard to win (in theory) therefore all slams are equal. Sure I'd rather have 7 Wimbledons rather than 7 AO's. But having 7 WIMs doesn't mean you are better than 7 AOs
 
Rafa the King said:
@punterlad All slams are just as hard to win (in theory) therefore all slams are equal. Sure I'd rather have 7 Wimbledons rather than 7 AO's. But having 7 WIMs doesn't mean you are better than 7 AOs
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Yes I agree . I just meant in terms of prestige my understanding is wimbledon is the main one then french open then U.S. open then Australian open. In terms of sponsorship and stuff I think that's how it works?
 
Rafa the King said:
@DreddyTennis45
Harsh truth=trolling
And to answer your wish: NO
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Not really, unlike you I don't throw a huge tantrum when somebody posts something I disagree with. Maybe you feel the need to start arguments every time because you're so insecure and feel the need for validation from other posters because you suffer from a massive inferiority complex. Or maybe you're just a failed troll. Either way nobody takes you seriously.:cool:
 
Fiero425 said:
IIRC, Robin got him again at the YEC when Rafa lost all 3 of his RR matches! That excuse being he didn't want to be there and his parents breaking up! If it isn't one thing, it's another! I'm so over this prima donna! ;-/ :rolleyes:
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Your so angry these past couple of days :D
 
Tennisanity said:
Then Fed was not 100% healthy at W08.
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Fed was 100% healthy at Wimbledon. Rafa played one of his best matches ever to beat him. The mono was gone before the clay-season started. Fed showed no signs in the final.
Rafa on the other moved like he had just come from a marathon and missed the next 2 months with injury. Don't think he'd just skip the title he fought so hard for to discredit Soderling's win.
 
Rafa the King said:
Fed was 100% healthy at Wimbledon. Rafa played one of his best matches ever to beat him. The mono was gone before the clay-season started. Fed showed no signs in the final.
Rafa on the other moved like he had just come from a marathon and missed the next 2 months with injury. Don't think he'd just skip the title he fought so hard for to discredit Soderling's win.
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No, Fed was not 100% healthy, he lost tons of training blocks that year due to mono earlier in the year. Rafa was fine in that match against Soderling, he just lost against a better player.
 
Tennisanity said:
No, Fed was not 100% healthy, he lost tons of training blocks that year due to mono earlier in the year. Rafa was fine in that match against Soderling, he just lost against a better player.
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But who's to say even a non mono affected Fed would've still beaten Nadal that year at Wimbledon, or Djokovic at the AO? ;)
 
Djokovic2011 said:
But who's to say even a non mono affected Fed would've still beaten Nadal that year at Wimbledon, or Djokovic at the AO? ;)
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Because Fed was very low on confidence, he said this himself. Confidence is perhaps the most important ingredient at the highest levels of tennis. With that lack of confidence, Fed barely lost in the 5th. With the confidence I would say he would more than likely win.
 
Djokovic2011 said:
But who's to say even a non mono affected Fed would've still beaten Nadal that year at Wimbledon, or Djokovic at the AO? ;)
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His strength and stamina was deeply effected by mono during the AO. I believe a healthy Federer in 2008 would have beaten Nole, He was in better shape at Wimbledon but that doesn't mean he was 100%.
 
TMF said:
His strength and stamina was deeply effected by mono during the AO. I believe a healthy Federer in 2008 would have beaten Nole, He was in better shape at Wimbledon but that doesn't mean he was 100%.
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It surprises me that you feel that way TMF. ;)
 
Tennisanity said:
Because Fed was very low on confidence, he said this himself. Confidence is perhaps the most important ingredient at the highest levels of tennis. With that lack of confidence, Fed barely lost in the 5th. With the confidence I would say he would more than likely win.
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Something happens when you're "near the end" and it's usually the confidence that goes; not necessarily the legs as some think! I hark back to Navratilova when it appeared she had burned out! I think of it starting in '87 making final after final, but losing them until Wimbledon and the USO against Graf! In '88 she did little to nothing and it took BJK to get her confidence back where she was able to win her last SW19 singles' title in '90; with a little help from Zina Garrison handling Seles and Graf in the QF and Semi's respectively! She made 1 more final in '94, was really on her last legs and her confidence had to be shot going up against Conchita Martinez! With Roger, I agree his confidence can't be there, but the tour pros have allowed him to hang on somehow until recently! :rolleyes:
 
Many of the newer Djokovic fans that caught on to tennis in 2011 or 2015 do not truly realize how much better Nadal was in comparison to Murray. You can only pity them.
 
Steve0904 said:
Many of the newer Djokovic fans that caught on to tennis in 2011 or 2015 do not truly realize how much better Nadal was in comparison to Murray. You can only pity them.
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Both have equally ugly games that have lost them winnable matches but for their defensive mentality when in the crunch! ;-/ :rolleyes: ;)
 
Fiero425 said:
Both have equally ugly games that have lost them winnable matches but for their defensive mentality when in the crunch! ;-/ :rolleyes: ;)
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I could think of another player that this statement applies to. ;)

I could also say that while this is indeed true, Nadal has won much more with his defensive skills than Murray with his.
 
Steve0904 said:
I could think of another player that this statement applies to. ;)

I could also say that while this is indeed true, Nadal has won much more with his defensive skills than Murray with his.
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Well duh; obviously with the record! Rafa has 14 majors to Murray's ordinary 3 and counting! :rolleyes: ;)
 
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