Murray : Wimbledon will never be an exhibition and will never feel like an exhibition. The end.

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"I follow golf very closely and have no idea how many ranking points the winner of the The Masters gets. Me and my friends love football and non of us know or care how many ranking points a team gets for winning the World Cup.

"But I could tell you exactly who won the World Cup and the Masters. I'd hazard a guess that most people watching on Centre Court at Wimbledon in a few weeks time wouldn't know or care about how many ranking points a player gets for winning a 3rd round match.


He'll obviously say like that when he's one it twice, being honoured and gets wildcards.
 

PrinceMoron

Legend
Meaningless Exho. The end!

Should just be a one match exhibition - Nadal vs Djokovic and call it the 'Final' or whatever

Save everyone a bundle in airfare.
Got tickets for final Saturday so Men’s Doubles and of course Ladies final

Home for Gentlemen on Sunday with feet up and hopefully 4 hours of tennis.
 
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"I follow golf very closely and have no idea how many ranking points the winner of the The Masters gets. Me and my friends love football and non of us know or care how many ranking points a team gets for winning the World Cup.

"But I could tell you exactly who won the World Cup and the Masters. I'd hazard a guess that most people watching on Centre Court at Wimbledon in a few weeks time wouldn't know or care about how many ranking points a player gets for winning a 3rd round match.


Totally agree
 

Permitlady

Professional
Howd you feel about Djokovic and AO?
But it's very easy to explain why promoting this ban is the real bad taste and the real discrimination, and why nobody has the right to demand such a ban, no matter if other players or Ukrainian people.
 

Permitlady

Professional
I’m all for putting pressure on Putin but i see no evidence banning Russian players makes any difference. And I see even less evidence taking away the points makes a difference at all, other than hurting lower ranked players
Russian players win and money gets sent to Russia's economy.
 

GabeT

G.O.A.T.
Russian players win and money gets sent to Russia's economy.
It’s very difficult to send money to Russia now and in any case that has almost no impact on the overall economy. But if that were an argument to ban players then they should be banned from all tournaments
 

Permitlady

Professional
It’s very difficult to send money to Russia now and in any case that has almost no impact on the overall economy. But if that were an argument to ban players then they should be banned from all tournaments
I'm addressing the damage that can be done. Russia is not its land. Hurt Russians by taking money from them and prevent them from buying goods from other Russians.

And Russians should be banned from all tournaments if you mean to hurt them. It has to begin somewhere.
 

beard

Legend
Meaningless Exho. The end!

Should just be a one match exhibition - Nadal vs Djokovic and call it the 'Final' or whatever

Save everyone a bundle in airfare.
Why would you give Nadal a final? He haven't been in the Wimbledon final over a decade... Anderson, Berretinni, Murray, Federer have more rights to play that final against Novak... ;)
 

Mustard

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"I follow golf very closely and have no idea how many ranking points the winner of the The Masters gets. Me and my friends love football and non of us know or care how many ranking points a team gets for winning the World Cup.

"But I could tell you exactly who won the World Cup and the Masters. I'd hazard a guess that most people watching on Centre Court at Wimbledon in a few weeks time wouldn't know or care about how many ranking points a player gets for winning a 3rd round match.


Well it did in 1973, Andy. Check your history. 81 players on the men's side boycotted on that occasion.
 

Mustard

Bionic Poster
why was Pilic not allowed to play?
Because Pilic declined to play in Yugoslavia's 1973 Davis Cup match against New Zealand, and the tennis authorities responded by banning him from Wimbledon. The ATP called their players out on a boycott, and only 3 of the other 84 ATP players refused, those being Ilie Nastase, Roger Taylor and Ray Keldie, who were later fined by the ATP for their strikebreaking actions.

Jimmy Connors wasn't an ATP member at the time, nor for years afterwards, but the fact that he refused to join the ATP before 1973 Wimbledon, chose not to play Davis Cup himself very often in the years following (without getting banned) and went his own way on what events he played, irked a lot of ATP players, particularly Arthur Ashe. Connors was also very annoyed with both the ATP and ITF for how he was banned from the 1974 French Open for participating in World Team Tennis, thereby denying him a possible Grand Slam that year. Connors and Ashe had this complex love/hate relationship for years afterwards.
 

insideguy

G.O.A.T.
Maybe someone can explain this to me. Why did the ATP/WTA pull points from Wimbledon but not the other UK grass tournaments. Russians are banned from them to.
 

insideguy

G.O.A.T.
All the questions have been answered here -
Hey thanks. And just reading the explanation seems like a total cop out from the ATP/WTA. And why I can't take them seriously. They are literally not taking points from the other events for nonsense reason. That has nothing to do with UK banning the players. The other concurrent events can't take every Russian or Belarussian.
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
All of this nonsense could easily have been avoided if the AELTC had simply stuck with tradition (which is usually considered very important at Wimbledon) and not bowed to so-called advice/pressure from the British government. They have never banned players from controversial countries before, so why do it now and risk even further controversy which may harm its future standing? :mad:
 

_phantom

Hall of Fame
Hey thanks. And just reading the explanation seems like a total cop out from the ATP/WTA. And why I can't take them seriously. They are literally not taking points from the other events for nonsense reason. That has nothing to do with UK banning the players. The other concurrent events can't take every Russian or Belarussian.

Not a perfect solution. But a warning message like this to tournament organizers was needed so that they think twice before taking any unilateral decision in future.

ITF too agrees with ATP/WTA on this.
 

insideguy

G.O.A.T.
Not a perfect solution. But a warning message like this to tournament organizers was needed so that they think twice before taking any unilateral decision in future.

ITF too agrees with ATP/WTA on this.
Its a joke of a decision. They literally crap on the entire reason they took points from Wimbledon but not other UK events. Just because their are other events going on concurrent. The lower ranked Russians just can't waltz into these concurrent events.
 

dapchai

Legend
All of this nonsense could easily have been avoided if the AELTC had simply stuck with tradition (which is usually considered very important at Wimbledon) and not bowed to so-called advice/pressure from the British government. They have never banned players from controversial countries before, so why do it now and risk even further controversy which may harm its future standing? :mad:
Because Andy is not an ATG.

I mean Andy Roddick
 

Mustard

Bionic Poster
Not a perfect solution. But a warning message like this to tournament organizers was needed so that they think twice before taking any unilateral decision in future.
Precisely. Whereas the ATP/WTA doing nothing would only encourage further attacks from tennis bosses/government politicians. That's power relations, where you do what you can get away with. While I've condemned Djokovic for the Australia farce, and stick by that, I think that there's no doubt that the whole legal circus/Djokovic's deportation while the tournament then went ahead as normal, encouraged Wimbledon to think that they could get away with banning Russian and Belarussian players without any comeback.
 
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bluetrain4

G.O.A.T.
Murray was oddly defensive about this. Osaka suggests it might feel more like an exhibition without points - just stream of conscious musings - and Murray goes OFF that it could NEVER be considered an exhibition. Why would he even care?
 

40L0VE

Professional
Murray was oddly defensive about this. Osaka suggests it might feel more like an exhibition without points - just stream of conscious musings - and Murray goes OFF that it could NEVER be considered an exhibition. Why would he even care?

Maybe it touched a nerve as some people don't rate OIympic tennis and he has 2 golds from singles.
 

Autodidactic player

Professional
To show support for the people of Ukraine and to put pressure on Putin, virtually every sport in the world, from archery to weightlifting, has banned athletes and teams from Russia and Belarus. By taking away ranking points from all the other players in a feeble attempt to "support" a few Russian and Belarusian players, tennis is a real outlier on the world stage. The fact that a Russian player will become world #1, without playing, as a result of this ill-advised decision is quite a propaganda coup for Vladimir Putin.
 

WYK

Hall of Fame
Reuters - EU: ATP and WTA officials today announced they have taken away any points from all tournaments based in either Finland or Sweden.
 

The Big Foe fan

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"I follow golf very closely and have no idea how many ranking points the winner of the The Masters gets. Me and my friends love football and non of us know or care how many ranking points a team gets for winning the World Cup.

"But I could tell you exactly who won the World Cup and the Masters. I'd hazard a guess that most people watching on Centre Court at Wimbledon in a few weeks time wouldn't know or care about how many ranking points a player gets for winning a 3rd round match.


The psuedo male feminist has spoken, guys.
Huh....
 

insideguy

G.O.A.T.
But what if one player defends 2000 or 1200 points, and the other defends 10 points? Are the both players hurt by this decision equally? :unsure:

Indeed a million dollar question.
And thats even more the kicker though huh? Cause the guy who's defending 2000 points is more likely to play than the dude defending 10. Because he has a chance of winning it. The ATP/WTA screwed this up big time. I don't care what anyone says.
 
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