Murray's workout

[tennis_fan_182]

eh, apparently here it is;

http://www.menshealth.co.uk/building-muscle/get-big/andy-murrays-strength-session

The website looks a bit superficial so I dunno how accurate it is.

Can't get any actual numbers for his lifts, but apparently he does 20kg for 6 sets of 5 reps of weighted chin ups. I just tried that and I could add 50kg to me for the same reps and sets.

How much do you reckon Nadal could add in that case - 200kg plus his bodyweight probably.

This proves that Murray's lack of success is not due to a lack of mental stability - it is due to the above COMPOUNDED with seriously sub-par strength, endurance and speed levels and also mediocre talent.

 

[batz]

eh, apparently here it is;

http://www.menshealth.co.uk/building-muscle/get-big/andy-murrays-strength-session

The website looks a bit superficial so I dunno how accurate it is.

Can't get any actual numbers for his lifts, but apparently he does 20kg for 6 sets of 5 reps of weighted chin ups. I just tried that and I could add 50kg to me for the same reps and sets.

How much do you reckon Nadal could add in that case - 200kg plus his bodyweight probably.

This proves that Murray's lack of success is not due to a lack of mental stability - it is due to the above COMPOUNDED with seriously sub-par strength, endurance and speed levels and also mediocre talent.

You're so cool man. I reckon you could be a top 20 tennis player too if you wanted to be.

 

[tennis_fan_182]

You're so cool man. I reckon you could be a top 20 tennis player too if you wanted to be.

I really admire it when a gay guy posts constantly about the subject of his crush. It's kinda sweet.

Thing is, if an amateur like me does 50kg weighed pull ups, a pro sportsman who is not able to get at least 4x-5x that is sorta pathetic.

If an amateur who just works out in his spare time bench presses 150kg (not saying I bench press - coach says that wrecks your shoulder eventually), any decent sportsman (excludes people like golfers) should be able to do at least 350kg without breaking a sweat.

 

[Ash_Smith]

The website looks a bit superficial so I dunno how accurate it is.

Can't get any actual numbers for his lifts, but apparently he does 20kg for 6 sets of 5 reps of weighted chin ups. I just tried that and I could add 50kg to me for the same reps and sets.

Well it's from an interview with Jez, so it's probably accurate.

How much do you weigh before adding your 50kilos? And if you can do 30 chins with a 50kilo belt your either this guy or lying! Either way a video would be cool!!!

cheers

 

[tennis_fan_182]

hey, 6 sets of 5 reps with 50kg added (which I can do) is very different from 30 straight reps in one set (which I def cannot do).

 

[gsharma]

Thing is, if an amateur like me does 50kg weighed pull ups, a pro sportsman who is not able to get at least 4x-5x that is sorta pathetic.

If an amateur who just works out in his spare time bench presses 150kg (not saying I bench press - coach says that wrecks your shoulder eventually), any decent sportsman (excludes people like golfers) should be able to do at least 350kg without breaking a sweat.

I think you are getting confused between kg and pounds. 150 kg benchpress is 330 lbs = more than 3 plates. Post a video of you doing a 150 kg benchpress. Also, what is your height and weight.

As for a 350 kg bench, that is equal to 770 pounds. 770 pounds is pretty close to the world record in powerlifting. No tennis athlete will EVER be able to bench that much.

 

[scotus]

eh, apparently here it is;

http://www.menshealth.co.uk/building-muscle/get-big/andy-murrays-strength-session

The website looks a bit superficial so I dunno how accurate it is.

Can't get any actual numbers for his lifts, but apparently he does 20kg for 6 sets of 5 reps of weighted chin ups. I just tried that and I could add 50kg to me for the same reps and sets.

How much do you reckon Nadal could add in that case - 200kg plus his bodyweight probably.

This proves that Murray's lack of success is not due to a lack of mental stability - it is due to the above COMPOUNDED with seriously sub-par strength, endurance and speed levels and also mediocre talent.

Being able to perform heavy pullups has almost nothing to do with success in tennis.

Do you seriously think Federer practices pullups or chinups with 20 kgs of extra weight? Fed has the skinniest arms ever seen on the court (I may have exaggerated here), but won 16 majors with those scrawny arms.

 

[MordredSJT]

Thing is, if an amateur like me does 50kg weighed pull ups, a pro sportsman who is not able to get at least 4x-5x that is sorta pathetic.

If an amateur who just works out in his spare time bench presses 150kg (not saying I bench press - coach says that wrecks your shoulder eventually), any decent sportsman (excludes people like golfers) should be able to do at least 350kg without breaking a sweat.

So any professional athlete should be able to bench press 770lbs.? Not to mention do sets of weighted pull-ups with 440-550lbs.? That seems totally reasonable...

 

[tennis_fan_182]

for a start I said I don't even do a bench press. I've never bench pressed so lol at me doing 150kg. Our coach says that it will wreck shoulders long term and prefers us to do press up variants including one arm press ups where more of the stabilizing muscles are brought into play.

No I'm not getting lbs and kg confused. Principle remains same: you don't think a pro athlete should be 4 - 5x stronger than an amateur gym goer? I think so. Therefore, if I weighted pull up 50kg, pro athlete (again, not including sports like golf) should be able to do at least 250kg added to himself.

And no I'm not going to post a video. Whether or not you believe me means so very much less to me than the effort it would take to purchase a digital camera, and then proceed to film and upload it.

 

[Mainad]

eh, apparently here it is;
This proves that Murray's lack of success is not due to a lack of mental stability - it is due to the above COMPOUNDED with seriously sub-par strength, endurance and speed levels and also mediocre talent.

Lack of success at what??

And why are you posting yet ANOTHER thread about Murray???

 

[Serve_Ace]

for a start I said I don't even do a bench press. I've never bench pressed so lol at me doing 150kg. Our coach says that it will wreck shoulders long term and prefers us to do press up variants including one arm press ups where more of the stabilizing muscles are brought into play.

No I'm not getting lbs and kg confused. Principle remains same: you don't think a pro athlete should be 4 - 5x stronger than an amateur gym goer? I think so. Therefore, if I weighted pull up 50kg, pro athlete (again, not including sports like golf) should be able to do at least 250kg added to himself.

And no I'm not going to post a video. Whether or not you believe me means so very much less to me than the effort it would take to purchase a digital camera, and then proceed to film and upload it.

Since you play tennis you should know that having a lot of muscle would only hinder your movement on the court. Andy is creating nice lean muscle along with muscle endurance by doing those exercises. A pro athlete especially in tennis isn't all about strength (they aren't body builders). So it's okay for that to not be able to do at least 550 pounds. Executing shots in tennis is about technique, timing, and basic physic knowledge, the power will come naturally.

 

[Aps1987]

I am going to go out on a limb...though actually I am damn near 100% positive there is no one in the world who can do a weighted pull up with +500 lbs. At the very least it is extremely implausible.
If you are seriously doing 6x5 weighten pullups with 110 lbs, you are either:
A. a seriously strong s.o.b. That is not average. I used to be a powerlifter, and I have been around very strong guys, guys who deadlift 650 lbs + at a bodyweight of 200, and they were not able to chin that much weight.
B. lying

my money is on B, but either way, your theory that a professional sportsman should be able to chin 4 times as much weight as you is based solely on your opinion. so it doesn't mean anything.

 

[Antonio Puente]

This proves that Murray's lack of success is not due to a lack of mental stability

No, it's apparently due to the fact he's not a superhero. Murray's a mere mortal unable to bench 350 kg.

 

[BeHappy]

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And no I'm not going to post a video. Whether or not you believe me means so very much less to me than the effort it would take to purchase a digital camera, and then proceed to film and upload it.

You don't have a phone? Did the dog eat your homework too? Pathetic.

 

[zagor]

eh, apparently here it is;

http://www.menshealth.co.uk/building-muscle/get-big/andy-murrays-strength-session

The website looks a bit superficial so I dunno how accurate it is.

Can't get any actual numbers for his lifts, but apparently he does 20kg for 6 sets of 5 reps of weighted chin ups. I just tried that and I could add 50kg to me for the same reps and sets.

How much do you reckon Nadal could add in that case - 200kg plus his bodyweight probably.

This proves that Murray's lack of success is not due to a lack of mental stability - it is due to the above COMPOUNDED with seriously sub-par strength, endurance and speed levels and also mediocre talent.

Well said.

for a start I said I don't even do a bench press. I've never bench pressed so lol at me doing 150kg. Our coach says that it will wreck shoulders long term and prefers us to do press up variants including one arm press ups where more of the stabilizing muscles are brought into play.

No I'm not getting lbs and kg confused. Principle remains same: you don't think a pro athlete should be 4 - 5x stronger than an amateur gym goer? I think so. Therefore, if I weighted pull up 50kg, pro athlete (again, not including sports like golf) should be able to do at least 250kg added to himself.

And no I'm not going to post a video. Whether or not you believe me means so very much less to me than the effort it would take to purchase a digital camera, and then proceed to film and upload it.

Quoted for truth.

 

[Sentinel]

eh, apparently here it is;

http://www.menshealth.co.uk/building-muscle/get-big/andy-murrays-strength-session

The website looks a bit superficial so I dunno how accurate it is.

Can't get any actual numbers for his lifts, but apparently he does 20kg for 6 sets of 5 reps of weighted chin ups. I just tried that and I could add 50kg to me for the same reps and sets.

YOU DA MAN !!!

How much do you reckon Nadal could add in that case - 200kg plus his bodyweight probably.

This proves that Murray's lack of success is not due to a lack of mental stability - it is due to the above COMPOUNDED with seriously sub-par strength, endurance and speed levels and also mediocre talent.

I think Nadal could max at 1000 kg. Those awesome biceps sure can pick stuff up.

for a start I said I don't even do a bench press. I've never bench pressed so lol at me doing 150kg. Our coach says that it will wreck shoulders long term and prefers us to do press up variants including one arm press ups where more of the stabilizing muscles are brought into play.

No I'm not getting lbs and kg confused. Principle remains same: you don't think a pro athlete should be 4 - 5x stronger than an amateur gym goer? I think so. Therefore, if I weighted pull up 50kg, pro athlete (again, not including sports like golf) should be able to do at least 250kg added to himself.

And no I'm not going to post a video. Whether or not you believe me means so very much less to me than the effort it would take to purchase a digital camera, and then proceed to film and upload it.

No no, don't waist your time filming yourself, when you could utilize that time creating more informative and inciteful threats.

 

[tennis_fan_182]

You don't have a phone? Did the dog eat your homework too? Pathetic.

Nokia 3310, baby. Fine, I must be lying. Whatever.

 

[BeHappy]

Nokia 3310, baby. Fine, I must be lying. Whatever.

Then video yourself doing dead hang pull ups with 50kgs attached. It's so obvious you're lying

 

[Sentinel]

Nokia 3310, baby. Fine, I must be lying. Whatever.

Then video yourself doing dead hang pull ups with 50kgs attached. It's so obvious you're lying

je suis d'accord.

 

[Bobby Jr]

For a very long time I have been sceptical over claims that Murray is some fitness god. Many time I've seen him look run ragged in matched or simply be half a step short after a big point - yet the same can't be said for Nadal or Federer, or even Djokovic this year.

It goes without saying that some people, no matter how much they do, will never be as inherently fit/resilient as others. What may take X number of hours to maintain a certain fitness level for one person may only take 2/3 of the time for another. So they have more time for recovery, more time to focus on other areas of training if they choose etc.

Even Murray's famous ice baths after his matches has been studied closely by some sports scientists in New Zealand who used a number of rugby teams' for their research and advised that the gains were nil in most cases.

 

[daveyboy]

You're so cool man. I reckon you could be a top 20 tennis player too if you wanted to be.

I really admire it when a gay guy posts constantly about the subject of his crush. It's kinda sweet.

Hey! Grow up and use your vocabulary. Your use of homophobic slurs brings the whole room down, man.

Now, back to the conversation. The only weight Murray needs to lift is that of England off his shoulders. I think he's got enough talent to win a major, but I don't think he will. Mentally he's fragile in career turning moments.

 

[Bobby Jr]

Federer is not built hugely and Djokovic's best tennis of his career has come as he's leaned down considerably (visually at least). Maybe Murray needs to spend a little less time trying to increase his strength and do some yoga or something which aids flexibility, recovery and relaxation.

A lot can be said for being relaxed when you go into a tennis match. It is, I believe, the exact reason Federer starts so many matches just going for shots. He knows he wont make all of them but doing it flushes out the nerves and gets him into his best hitting groove. Plus it usually coincides with when his opponent is not in the zone yet and still a bit 'wound'. Murray feels like he plays a whole lot of his bigger matches like this - like he can't shake the early match flutters. Maybe less "I'm awesome" hard-ass fitness training and more focusing on where he differs from the top 3 would pay better dividends for him. We all know how well he can play - late last year he showed it a number of times - but it eludes him on the biggest stage so it clearly is mentality/relaxation - related. Chin-ups wont fix that.

 

[Wilander]

the OP is full of sh*te.
1. he doesnt know which abilities are important for a tennisplayer.
2. he claims to do 6 sets of 5 reps chins with 50 kg added. he will never ever be able to do that.

 

[Russeljones]

Federer is not built hugely and Djokovic's best tennis of his career has come as he's leaned down considerably (visually at least). Maybe Murray needs to spend a little less time trying to increase his strength and do some yoga or something which aids flexibility, recovery and relaxation.

A lot can be said for being relaxed when you go into a tennis match. It is, I believe, the exact reason Federer starts so many matches just going for shots. He knows he wont make all of them but doing it flushes out the nerves and gets him into his best hitting groove. Plus it usually coincides with when his opponent is not in the zone yet and still a bit 'wound'. Murray feels like he plays a whole lot of his bigger matches like this - like he can't shake the early match flutters. Maybe less "I'm awesome" hard-ass fitness training and more focusing on where he differs from the top 3 would pay better dividends for him. We all know how well he can play - late last year he showed it a number of times - but it eludes him on the biggest stage so it clearly is mentality/relaxation - related. Chin-ups wont fix that.

Spot on analysis both on Fed and Murray.

 

[batz]

Hey! Grow up and use your vocabulary. Your use of homophobic slurs brings the whole room down, man.

Now, back to the conversation. The only weight Murray needs to lift is that of England off his shoulders. I think he's got enough talent to win a major, but I don't think he will. Mentally he's fragile in career turning moments.

I just spent a brilliant day @ Wimbledon last Friday with my gay mate. I object strongly to your assertion. Perhaps you could point out what was homophobic about what I posted?

While you're at it - get someone to explain to you the difference between England and Britain.

 

[gsharma]

I just came back from the gym, where I did chin-ups with 150 kgs.

I think I'm ready to enter the main draw of US Open and be a legit title-contender.

 

[Soul]

From what I read this morning, Murray's lack of tournament success might be due to his poor diet. It's not exactly the breakfast of champions. Saw this on Dr. Briffa's blog.

"What does the number 1 tennis player in the UK have to learn from the World’s number 1?"

http://www.drbriffa.com/2011/07/04/...-uk-have-to-learn-from-the-worlds-number-one/

 

[tennis_fan_182]

From what I read this morning, Murray's lack of tournament success might be due to his poor diet. It's not exactly the breakfast of champions. Saw this on Dr. Briffa's blog.

"What does the number 1 tennis player in the UK have to learn from the World’s number 1?"

http://www.drbriffa.com/2011/07/04/...-uk-have-to-learn-from-the-worlds-number-one/

interesting... so what, does Djoker only eat meat and vegetables now, staying away from all grains, or does he still eat the gluten-free grains?

 

[daveyboy]

I just spent a brilliant day @ Wimbledon last Friday with my gay mate. I object strongly to your assertion. Perhaps you could point out what was homophobic about what I posted?

While you're at it - get someone to explain to you the difference between England and Britain.

OK, point by point:

1) Homophobic was harsh. I apologize. What you said wasn't exactly cool though:

I really admire it when a gay guy posts constantly about the subject of his crush. It's kinda sweet.

You used that phrase to insult the OP. You could have just as easily said "I really admire it when a stupid idiot voices his opinion". But you didn't. There'll come a point where we stop using language like you used to insult someone, but its not today, but I hope to Christ its coming soon.

2) Fantastic that you were at Wimbledon on Sunday. Do you think your friend would say what you said? I'm not making any assumptions here. He might say "So what". He might say "hey! Watch it" Coming from my experience with my friends, I'd get the "Hey! watch it" treatment from almost all of them, gay or not.

3) I apologize for saying England when I should have said "Great Britain". Murray is a Scot, not English. Therefore, not English.

Now, can we get back to the point that we both think the OP is wrong please?

 

[batz]

OK, point by point:

1) Homophobic was harsh. I apologize. What you said wasn't exactly cool though:

I really admire it when a gay guy posts constantly about the subject of his crush. It's kinda sweet.

You used that phrase to insult the OP. You could have just as easily said "I really admire it when a stupid idiot voices his opinion". But you didn't. There'll come a point where we stop using language like you used to insult someone, but its not today, but I hope to Christ its coming soon.

2) Fantastic that you were at Wimbledon on Sunday. Do you think your friend would say what you said? I'm not making any assumptions here. He might say "So what". He might say "hey! Watch it" Coming from my experience with my friends, I'd get the "Hey! watch it" treatment from almost all of them, gay or not.

3) I apologize for saying England when I should have said "Great Britain". Murray is a Scot, not English. Therefore, not English.

Now, can we get back to the point that we both think the OP is wrong please?

Thanks for the response. I spoke to my friend and he says that he wouldn't be offended by what I posted - but he could just be saying that because he's my friend. Now you have pointed out to me your interpretation of what I posted - I can see how why you may have found it offensive - apologies to you and anyone else who feels the same way. I've now removed the comment.

I don't think you need to apologise to me - you didn't say anything offensive; just a bit factually incorrect - but I do I accept it with I hope the same good grace it was offered.

Re OP's views - I agree 100% with you. I wish Murray's problems were purely physical.

 

[daveyboy]

Thanks for the response. I spoke to my friend and he says that he wouldn't be offended by what I posted - but he could just be saying that because he's my friend. Now you have pointed out to me your interpretation of what I posted - I can see how why you may have found it offensive - apologies to you and anyone else who feels the same way. I've now removed the comment.

I don't think you need to apologise to me - you didn't say anything offensive; just a bit factually incorrect - but I do I accept it with I hope the same good grace it was offered.

Re OP's views - I agree 100% with you. I wish Murray's problems were purely physical.

You have done good for an old man's heart. For that, I say thank you.

I saw Murray practicing in Indian Wells last year, and he worked alot harder in practice than many of the other players- 2 hour practice!!!- then he played Tennis Football/Soccer/whatever-it-is-you-call-kicking-the-ball-and-not-using-your-hands for the fans. The guy is great around the fans, and I would love to see him break through. I said this after the French Open- I know this will sound strange - I think he should talk with Li Na. Imagine the pressure on her to succeed. A country of one billion people, all hoping she can win a major, and she did it.

Lastly, I'm jealous you got to be at Wimbledon for Sunday. That's awesome. Someday I'll make it over there.

 

[batz]

You have done good for an old man's heart. For that, I say thank you.

I saw Murray practicing in Indian Wells last year, and he worked alot harder in practice than many of the other players- 2 hour practice!!!- then he played Tennis Football/Soccer/whatever-it-is-you-call-kicking-the-ball-and-not-using-your-hands for the fans. The guy is great around the fans, and I would love to see him break through. I said this after the French Open- I know this will sound strange - I think he should talk with Li Na. Imagine the pressure on her to succeed. A country of one billion people, all hoping she can win a major, and she did it.

Lastly, I'm jealous you got to be at Wimbledon for Sunday. That's awesome. Someday I'll make it over there.

Talking to Li Na might help - but I don't think it's quite the same situation to be honest mate. As well as she did (and she did great), she didn't have to win the Big One, in her own country, on her own with nobody else even playing at slam level, after being asked since she broke the top 100 if she could win a slam every 5 minutes.

Nobody really has a similar situation to deal with like Murray does @ Wimbledon.

PS we were there on Friday for the semis - not yesterday. I hope you get there one day - as I hope I can make the USO one day.

PPS It's nice to chat with a reasonable person on here!

Cheers.

 

[Antonio Puente]

The only weight Murray needs to lift is that of England off his shoulders.

I don't know, Batz; although unintentional, it somewhat made sense.

 

[Mainad]

Nobody really has a similar situation to deal with like Murray does @ Wimbledon.

Of the top 3 players,none have been cursed with a home Grand Slam tournament that they were expected to win.

Amongst the top 10,the nearest equivalents to Murray are,I guess Monfils with pressure to do well at the FO (no French male winner since the 1980s) and Fish and Roddick re the USO (no US male winner since 2003) although Roddick could argue that he has already done his bit.

If young Tomic keeps rising through the rankings then he will no doubt feel rising expectations to be the first Aussie to win the AO since Hewitt!

Representing one of the 4 countries that hosts a Slam is just added pressure that other players are lucky enough not to have to endure!

 

[Antonio Puente]

I just spent a brilliant day @ Wimbledon last Friday with my gay mate.

^^ I only fully appreciated this the second time around. Considering how "mate" is predominantly used in American English, to those outside Britain, this sentence probably didn't come across exactly the way you intended it to.

 

[Ben Hadd]

I bet this guy can do, WHAT? 9000!