Murry still with some digs at Tsitsipas

platypus50

New User
It's getting a bit embarrassing now from Murray - hope he stops his whining soon.

He had his chance to potentially win his match against Tsitsipas in straight sets, it's on him that he didn't win the 2nd set tiebreak when it was on his racquet.

I'm not a fan of Tsitsipas and don't agree with him taking an 8 minute break after the 4th set, however 34 year old Murray should not have let the situation affect him mentally to the extent that it did and he just wasn't good enough to win the match in the end.
 

Third Serve

G.O.A.T.
Murray should just let this go at this point. Shady move by Tsitsipas with the bathroom antics, I'm sure we can all agree, but that match is in the past now.
 

Raul_SJ

G.O.A.T.
It was a heartbreaking loss for our Andy. One point away from beating the World #3. With an artificial hip! Would have been one of the most shocking upsets in U.S. Open history.

Lots of positives from this match.

But the huge red flag here is that he was winded after three sets. Moping around in pain.
How much of that was the typical Murray fakery and melodrama? That is impossible to tell. But his fitness is definitely an issue. Not clear how he is ever going to be a factor at five set majors.
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Vagary

New User
This entire situation with him is utterly hilarious to me. Sidelining legit gamesmanship issues for a moment, the whole aesthetic image of it - his shameless 'not my fault it's your fault!' interviews and 'technically right' rationale for it, his overall bratty demeanor, lack of charisma and annoying appearance, umpires admitting to being powerless combined with camera shots of his father on the phone and the fact that this is about extreme toilet abuse and how visibly angry players get with it - it's hard not to laugh every time it happens, and it just keeps escalating.

Not sure how this role of a cowardly toilet enthusiast villain / heel character is going to play out for him, perhaps it can make him burn everyone and elevate his matches and results as his game can be exciting and he's a fantastic player in the right moment, coupled with an annoyed player across the net that's out for blood. But in any case I'd be lying if I said all the drama and jabs that it has generated so far weren't entertaining, as well as giving some flair to his matches.
 

steenkash

Hall of Fame
I absolutely love Murray, however, this is a little case of the pot calling the kettle black. How many times has Murray feined lethargy or injury of some sort, only to come back more energetic and win the match? How many times has he sworn and repeatably insulted his box? Come on Andy, nobody is perfect.
 

Red Rick

Bionic Poster
Ah TTW, the expected amount of false equivalences never disappoints.

It's pathetic really. Tsitsipas does it once, apparently it's good on Murray to criticize it. He does it again, and now he's a sore loser to comment?
 

Zardoz7/12

Professional
Shows why it was always so wrong to place Murray in same conversation as Big 3

They will not cling on to something that bothered them like this
When 2011 came around Murray was the bridge between the "big 3" and the rest, he was never truly on their level on a consistent basis.

Djokovic's 2011 domination was what convinced me that we had a "big 3" rather than a "big 4".
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
Ah TTW, the expected amount of false equivalences never disappoints.

It's pathetic really. Tsitsipas does it once, apparently it's good on Murray to criticize it. He does it again, and now he's a sore loser to comment?
Still, I think he needs to let it go and move on. He's made his point.
 
Childish scorn, but valid scorn. I can totally get on board with these not-so-subtle digs. The grapes can get as sour as a lemon, twattery be damned.
 

TimHenmanATG

Hall of Fame
I honestly think that social media is dumbing people down to the lowest common denominator.

I think that Andy is being immature here, but how much of this is him consciously or subconsciously being dragged down to the idiotic and inane level of discourse which predominates social media?
 
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Deleted member 743561

Guest
Why should his knighthood be revoked? The things he did to merit it haven't gone away.
The question is semi-ironic.

But are you suggesting that he (or anyone having received an honor) has carte blanche to act a fool for the rest of their days?

The whole thing is absurdly clownish. But I'm also not a fan of the garbage he pulled/pulls on the tennis court. Miserable presence.
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
I honestly think that social media is dumbing people down to the lowest common denominator.

I think that Andy is being immature here, but how much of this is him consciously or subconsciously being dragged down to the idiotic and inane level of discourse which predominates social media?
As I said earlier this is the bad side of twitter. It's too often tempting to keep venting your spleen about things which you wouldn't have been able to do before twitter came along. He probably would have got over it by now if not for the temptation to keep reaching for his phone and tweeting sarcastic comments to all and sundry. If I were Kim, I would probably hide his phone for a while.
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
The question is semi-ironic.

But are you suggesting that he (or anyone having received an honor) has carte blanche to act a fool for the rest of their days?

The whole thing is absurdly clownish. But I'm also not a fan of the garbage he pulled/pulls on the tennis court. Miserable presence.
We are all entitled to act as foolish as we like. Having a knighthood or any other honour does not exempt you from that providing you don't do anything illegal.
 

killerboss

Semi-Pro
Don't get many open player vs player rivalries like this anymore. Probably good for the tour as long as everyone isn't doing it.
 

TimHenmanATG

Hall of Fame
As I said earlier this is the bad side of twitter. It's too often tempting to keep venting your spleen about things which you wouldn't have been able to do before twitter came along. He probably would have got over it by now if not for the temptation to keep reaching for his phone and tweeting sarcastic comments to all and sundry. If I were Kim, I would probably hide his phone for a while.
I understand that it must be tempting to get one's frustrations made public, but would someone necessarily do that if there wasn't a receptive audience out there?

If not the majority, then certainly the plurality of social media users create and environment where the lowest common denominator runs wild.

It's easy to see how otherwise reasonable people could be dragged into this level of discourse and conduct, when it is given carte blanche by society.
 
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Rozroz

G.O.A.T.
i think the fact that Murray was so close to winning despite all his difficulties and then got distracted with these shenanigans was just too frustrating.
 

Beacon Hill

Hall of Fame
Murray is right. If Tsitsipas continues down this path, the next thing you know he'll be screaming and swearing at and blaming his team for any deficiencies in his game and acting like he needs to see a mortician every point he loses during a five hour match.
 

Beacon Hill

Hall of Fame
i think the fact that Murray was so close to winning despite all his difficulties and then got distracted with these shenanigans was just too frustrating.
A veteran player like he is should know not to sit down if there is an extended break in play, but keep moving and even go onto the court and hit a few balls. That way he wouldn't tighten up and would be loose and well-rested when play resumed. He could have used the breaks to his advantage.
 

Rozroz

G.O.A.T.
A veteran player like he is should know not to sit down if there is an extended break in play, but keep moving and even go onto the court and hit a few balls. That way he wouldn't tighten up and would be loose and well-rested when play resumed. He could have used the breaks to his advantage.
all true, he was just too excited and pumped up to let loose and either go to a break himself or just do some serves etc.
 

prairiegirl

Hall of Fame
I feel Murray has a right to complain as much as he wants to. He's returned to professional play despite incredible odds. Tsitsipas strikes me as a spoiled overly-entitled, arrogant fellow who doesn't care about the rules. He needs to be told to stop this nonsense. But, I doubt anyone will unless it affects someone like Djokovic, then you'll see results.
 

BeatlesFan

Bionic Poster
It's getting a bit embarrassing now from Murray - hope he stops his whining soon.
Perhaps some of Andy's issue is that he really should have won the match against the Greek. He had two SP's in the second to go up two sets to love, but he blew them both.

And I agree with Prairiegirl totally - Tsitsipas needs to stop his nonsense. The fact he arrogantly continues to take 4 hour toilet breaks when he's being criticized for it boggles the mind. No shame whatsoever.
 
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