Musetti - all respect… GONE

blablavla

G.O.A.T.
Just disgusted by the way he folded… they don’t make ‘em like they used to and this kid has SO MUCH promise…
sure, at 19 years old, he could and should have recovered from previous matches and should be fresh as daisy

but, in all honesty, he fared much better than several generations, if we consider:
it's his second season at ATP level, and due to ranking & covid he didn't play many tournaments in 2020
it's his first main draw appearance at GS
he didn't fold before the match cause he had to play Nole
 

Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
Just disgusted by the way he folded… they don’t make ‘em like they used to and this kid has SO MUCH promise…
From the trainers, he was really injured. I don't know the exact injury details, but he was injured somewhere in his body(not head), and Musetti didn't want to take away from novak's victory so he said he wasn't in the press conference but his trainers say he was injured,,, either in the thigh or shoulder.,... not sure:unsure:
 

StrongRule

G.O.A.T.
Kid is 19 and was playing his first ever slam main draw... Give him a break.

Disgusting by OP.
When 19 years old Nadal played his first RG he won the title, beating peak Federer in the semifinals. Would have beaten this Djokovic in 3-4 sets, no doubt.

And no, nobody expects Musetti to be the next Nadal. But yes, we can expect from a 19 years old to have the stamina to compete against a 34 years old for more than 2 sets.
 

Aussie Darcy

Bionic Poster
When 19 years old Nadal played his first RG he won the title, beating peak Federer in the semifinals. Would have beaten this Djokovic in 3-4 sets, no doubt.

And no, nobody expects Musetti to be the next Nadal. But yes, we can expect from a 19 years old to have the stamina to compete against a 34 years old for more than 2 sets.
Djokovic took 6 slams to even make a 4R.
Federer took 4 slams.
Musetti did it his first slam.

I'd shutup about the critisim of a 19 year old making his first ever slam 4R on his 1st attempt. Laughable you even dare criticize such a feat.

He crushed it.
 

StrongRule

G.O.A.T.
Djokovic took 6 slams to even make a 4R.
Federer took 4 slams.
Musetti did it his first slam.

I'd shutup about the critisim of a 19 year old making his first ever slam 4R on his 1st attempt. Laughable you even dare criticize such a feat.

He crushed it.
If he doesn't have the stamina when he is 19 then he is never going to have it. So at best case he can achieve somethin in BO3. He is too physically weak for BO5. Pathetic.
 

StrongRule

G.O.A.T.
TBH more disappointed by Sinner than Musetti....

Musetti should get a pass since it was his first attempt and did very well considering the lack of experience. He is also fun to watch
I imagine how would you bash him if he lost 6-1 6-0 6-0 to Nadal, instead of Djokovic.
 

Aussie Darcy

Bionic Poster
If he doesn't have the stamina when he is 19 then he is never going to have it. So at best case he can achieve somethin in BO3. He is too physically weak for BO5. Pathetic.
Djokovic and Federer didn't have his stamina at 19 to do what Musetti did and took several attempts to do what Musetti did so are you saying you're wrong?
 
It’s not that he lost, it’s how he lost. After being up 2-0 he completely collapsed, and then retired because he was tired and couldn’t win a point. That’s not only disrespectful to the opponent, it’s disrespectful to the crowd. I don’t care that he lost (I had Joker winning in straights anyway), but when you’re 2 games away from losing and not injured then you finish the match.
 

StrongRule

G.O.A.T.
Djokovic and Federer didn't have his stamina at 19 to do what Musetti did and took several attempts to do what Musetti did so are you saying you're wrong?
What are you talking about? Federer at age 19 beat Sampras at Wimbledon in a long 5 set match. He didn't lose 6-1 6-0 6-0 after winning two sets.
 

StrongRule

G.O.A.T.
I forgive him. Those first two sets were so good.
Well, this is why Djokovic will keep winning slams until he is like 70 years old. The young players are only good for 2 sets, but can never win 3. Tsitsipas also collapsed in the fifth set last year. Just pathetic. They are only good enough to challenge Djokovic in BO3.
 

Devtennis01

G.O.A.T.
Well, this is why Djokovic will keep winning slams until he is like 70 years old. The young players are only good for 2 sets, but can never win 3. Tsitsipas also collapsed in the fifth set last year. Just pathetic. They are only good enough to challenge Djokovic in BO3.
They need all tournaments to have best of five finals. Players just aren't used to and big 3 and Nole have huge advantage now having played soooooo many Bo5 at slams, and for Nadal and Federer in Masters finals.
 

reef58

Semi-Pro
If he doesn't have the stamina when he is 19 then he is never going to have it. So at best case he can achieve somethin in BO3. He is too physically weak for BO5. Pathetic.
You could not be more wrong. There is a reason 19 year old men are not dominating or really competing at endurance sports. It is dominated by mid 20's male athletes. Pick triathlons, marathons, grand tours in bike races, CrossFit games. Good luck finding 18 to 20 year olds doing much. There are exceptions, but they only become stronger with time.
 
When 19 years old Nadal played his first RG he won the title, beating peak Federer in the semifinals. Would have beaten this Djokovic in 3-4 sets, no doubt.

And no, nobody expects Musetti to be the next Nadal. But yes, we can expect from a 19 years old to have the stamina to compete against a 34 years old for more than 2 sets.
They are not all built like nadal though. Rafa is a one off phenomenon
 

Steve0904

Talk Tennis Guru
It’s not that he lost, it’s how he lost. After being up 2-0 he completely collapsed, and then retired because he was tired and couldn’t win a point. That’s not only disrespectful to the opponent, it’s disrespectful to the crowd. I don’t care that he lost (I had Joker winning in straights anyway), but when you’re 2 games away from losing and not injured then you finish the match.
As I said in another thread, I doubt he even knows the tennis etiquette attached to finishing the last couple games. If a more experienced player did what he did I'd agree with you, but not in Musetti's case. He's young, he'll learn.
 

Aussie Darcy

Bionic Poster
Neither are excuses for retiring from a match with no injury just because you don't want to get bageled again.

Since when do we treat 19 year olds as toddlers?
Yeah cause the big 3 haven't withdrawn or retired from matches they didn't want to play? Federer literally just did it this tournament for goodness sakes.
 
As I said in another thread, I doubt he even knows the tennis etiquette attached to finishing the last couple games. If a more experienced player did what he did I'd agree with you, but not in Musetti's case. He's young, he'll learn.
I just can’t see how that’s possible considering he’s a professional who’s been playing and watching the game his entire life.
 

MeatTornado

G.O.A.T.
Djokovic and Federer didn't have his stamina at 19 to do what Musetti did and took several attempts to do what Musetti did so are you saying you're wrong?
Djokovic clearly had stamina problems pre-2011, and I'm definitely not saying that 19 year old Federer would have beaten Novak yesterday, but he absolutely had the stamina at that age to go the distance without ending on a double bagel.

He collapsed physically after just 2 sets. I'm all for not dogpiling on the kid for what happened, but we can definitely raise out expectations a little bit.
 

Steve0904

Talk Tennis Guru
Neither are excuses for retiring from a match with no injury just because you don't want to get bageled again.

Since when do we treat 19 year olds as toddlers?
He said he had no "serious injury," but cramps can be bad and he clearly wasn't 100%. You don't do what he did for 2 sets and then tank the last 3. If you watch the full interview he's asked if he has an injury and he says "No no, just cramps and low back pain", so he's clearly making the distinction between an injury, and cramps/back pain.

If the guy is still doing this after 2-3 years on tour, after he should've learned some lessons then I'd agree, but not here. And tbh I have some sympathy because if I was him and I didn't know anything about some code of integrity with finishing the match I could see myself doing the same thing at his age. I was stupid/inexperienced at 19 too, and I think 95% of the people here were the same so it's all a bit rich to me.
 

blablavla

G.O.A.T.
You could not be more wrong. There is a reason 19 year old men are not dominating or really competing at endurance sports. It is dominated by mid 20's male athletes. Pick triathlons, marathons, grand tours in bike races, CrossFit games. Good luck finding 18 to 20 year olds doing much. There are exceptions, but they only become stronger with time.
oh pal, can you tell us when Eliud Kipchoge ran last time 7 marathons in 14 days?

just in case if you were not aware, 19 years old folks recover faster than 33 years old folks :cool:
 

Steve0904

Talk Tennis Guru
I just can’t see how that’s possible considering he’s a professional who’s been playing and watching the game his entire life.
I can. If he was never told he wouldn't know and tbh I'm not sure many outside of internet forums get too bent out of shape about what Musetti did. You rarely hear a commentator for instance giving it to a player for retiring like TTW does. And I bet he's never been in that position before. He's come up in juniors playing BO3 matches. He may have never felt that bad physically in his life. He's never played a 5 setter in his life before RG let alone two back to back.

I think it's quite possible he knows nothing about the perceived ethics surrounding the situation. This is part of the reason they call tennis elitist anyway. Everybody has this high and mighty standard that they need set, but the end result was never changing so the outrage is just strange.
 
He said he had no "serious injury," but cramps can be bad and he clearly wasn't 100%. You don't do what he did for 2 sets and then tank the last 3. If you watch the full interview he's asked if he has an injury and he says "No no, just cramps and low back pain", so he's clearly making the distinction between an injury, and cramps/back pain.

If the guy is still doing this after 2-3 years on tour, after he should've learned some lessons then I'd agree, but not here. And tbh I have some sympathy because if I was him and I didn't know anything about some code of integrity with finishing the match I could see myself doing the same thing at his age. I was stupid/inexperienced at 19 too, and I think 95% of the people here were the same so it's all a bit rich to me.
I see what you mean, and the etiquette of tennis isn't a universal one. In chess, for example, it would be considered rude to make your opponent play out a game all the way to the end rather than resigning once you're obviously beaten.
 

3virgul14

Rookie
Well, I play much younger guys in the tournaments or ladder matches. 14 yr old, 16y or 18y. It's one thing when they have mental struggles but never seen any teenager to completely stop playing when he had a chance of winning a huge match. At least they keep running and hitting the ball.

This was not because of fatigue or injury, that's for sure. After Djoko timeout things unfolded in surprisingly easy style for Djokovic. Too easy to believe.


Surely we will hear about this match later on following years.
 
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