Musetti...impressed

mental midget

Hall of Fame
worth a thread i think given his performance yesterday. if you're a fan of 1-handers w/ great feel and all-court games, watch this kid. was just one match but my thought after a few games was he's potentially the best young player on tour, was that impressive. need a bigger sample size of course but he hit every shot in the book in that match, obvious talent on display there.
 

mental midget

Hall of Fame
Next-gen Fedr? I won't complain... ;)
well like i said, sample size of one match so trying not to get carried away...but man i remember seeing fed play for the first time and honestly i got a very similar feeling. aggressive, creative, answers from everywhere, and one of my favorite descriptors for guys like fed, mac, rios–uncommonly good racket head control. several times in the match he had to stab-lob shots on the run from hopeless positions, and they all dropped in. maybe i'm reading too much into it but it happened enough that it made me think he's one of those guys who just knows where the racket face is at all times, superb feel.
 

stephenclown

Professional
Watched some of his junior matches when I was looking for up and coming players with ohbh and he seems to have had a lot of growth in his game in the last 6 months. It is also worth noting that he has recently played a heap of challengers and has been very inconsistent losing to unseeded players in those as well.

I think Rune is another exciting prospect and Janik Sinner looks to be very strong as well - probably going to best Tsitsipas
 
Let's wait awhile. I was so excited seeing bull-sheet rahshan chichipas hitting beautiful BH DTLs against still good Tsonga in Rotterdam. Three and a half years later it looks like he'll become GOAT in being a derriere perforation rather than a multi-slam winner. Sad story.
 

blablavla

Hall of Fame
Everyone here keeps forgetting he's Italian... the dolce far niente will soon caught up with him.
I wouldn't place too much value on the nationality biases.
Italians are good in a bunch of sports.

On another side, look at Spanish players, or Tsitsipas who is Greek.
What are people talking about Spain and Greece?
I haven't heard many jokes about Spanish and Greek folks being much more hardworking than Italian ones, yet Stefanos is in top 10 and Spanish players are very strong, and many players go to Barcelona to train there.
 

Slowtwitcher

Professional
I wouldn't place too much value on the nationality biases.
Italians are good in a bunch of sports.

On another side, look at Spanish players, or Tsitsipas who is Greek.
What are people talking about Spain and Greece?
I haven't heard many jokes about Spanish and Greek folks being much more hardworking than Italian ones, yet Stefanos is in top 10 and Spanish players are very strong, and many players go to Barcelona to train there.
It's ok you don't understand differences in European cultures ;)
 

Start da Game

Hall of Fame
worth a thread i think given his performance yesterday. if you're a fan of 1-handers w/ great feel and all-court games, watch this kid. was just one match but my thought after a few games was he's potentially the best young player on tour, was that impressive. need a bigger sample size of course but he hit every shot in the book in that match, obvious talent on display there.
i hope you are right, the tour badly needs young talent........lets hope he is not another one of those social media clowns and is someone who thinks only about putting the ball inside the court even in his sleep at least for the next 5 years.........
 

Fabresque

Hall of Fame
Very interesting that Italy hasn't really managed to produce any big tennis stars on the ATP tour (bar probably Fognini) and are now all of a sudden churning out numerous good talents. Berrettini already Top 10, Sinner won Next gen finals and is climbing up the rankings, and Musetti just scalped a 3 time slam champion relatively easily. Quite remarkable.

Also: No, Cecchinato isn't a good player. One win over a **** Djokovic and all of a sudden he's GOATed LOL.
 
Very interesting that Italy hasn't really managed to produce any big tennis stars on the ATP tour (bar probably Fognini) and are now all of a sudden churning out numerous good talents. Berrettini already Top 10, Sinner won Next gen finals and is climbing up the rankings, and Musetti just scalped a 3 time slam champion relatively easily. Quite remarkable.

Also: No, Cecchinato isn't a good player. One win over a **** Djokovic and all of a sudden he's GOATed LOL.
No but Cecchinato was involved in GOAT prediction
 

Cashman

Hall of Fame
Has some solid shots, but this board needs a big reality check. Musetti is still regularly losing to guys ranked 200+.

Prior to this match, his best wins have been over Popyrin twice (Dubai and Trieste) and Donskoy once (Dubai). In all three matches Popyrin and Donskoy were playing terribly - I'm talking barely cracking 50% for their first serve. So it was here - Wawrinka was absolutely awful and essentially beat himself.

Right now Musetti has nothing that can hurt top 150 players. He needs a lot more time on the Challenger tour, and a lot more development if he is ever going to make it into the main draw of ATP events.
 

oldmanfan

Hall of Fame
well like i said, sample size of one match so trying not to get carried away...but man i remember seeing fed play for the first time and honestly i got a very similar feeling. aggressive, creative, answers from everywhere, and one of my favorite descriptors for guys like fed, mac, rios–uncommonly good racket head control. several times in the match he had to stab-lob shots on the run from hopeless positions, and they all dropped in. maybe i'm reading too much into it but it happened enough that it made me think he's one of those guys who just knows where the racket face is at all times, superb feel.
Only saw the highlights against Stan, unfortunately. But I already see huge potential. Very powerful forehand. Powerful BH, way better than young Fedr's. Variety, and feel (did you see the 'hop' FH inside-in dropper?). He seems to 'get' the nuances of all-court tennis. His game just seems different to, say, Tsitsipas'. Musetti seems more clever around the court.

If Musetti never makes the top 10, I'd be disappointed. But I feel his ceiling is much higher. Should win slams and #1.
 

oldmanfan

Hall of Fame
Has some solid shots, but this board needs a big reality check. Musetti is still regularly losing to guys ranked 200+.

Prior to this match, his best wins have been over Popyrin twice (Dubai and Trieste) and Donskoy once (Dubai). In all three matches Popyrin and Donskoy were playing terribly - I'm talking barely cracking 50% for their first serve. So it was here - Wawrinka was absolutely awful and essentially beat himself.

Right now Musetti has nothing that can hurt top 150 players. He needs a lot more time on the Challenger tour, and a lot more development if he is ever going to make it into the main draw of ATP events.
That's a bit harsh, and way over exaggerated. Yes, Stan was aweful in set 1, but not set 2. Stan was playing top 20-30 tennis, at the least, in set 2, and Musetti matched him. Then Musetti blew him off the court in the 2nd set TB. Can't hurt top 150... are you for real?


 
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Cashman

Hall of Fame
That's a bit harsh, and way over exaggerated. Yes, Stan was aweful in set 1, but not set 2. Stan was playing top 20-30 tennis, at the least, in set 2, and Musetti matched him. Then Musetti blew him off the court in the 2nd set TB. Can't hurt top 150... are you for real?
Musetti played decent in the second set but Stan was still serving at only 60%.

The match was never really on Musetti’s racquet. Stan handed it to him.
 

oldmanfan

Hall of Fame
Musetti played decent in the second set but Stan was still serving at only 60%.

The match was never really on Musetti’s racquet. Stan handed it to him.
60% 1st serve isn't horrible. <50% is. Not to mention that this is clay, where 1st serve % isn't as pronounced. There's a reason Nadl has been practically unbeatable on clay over the years, and it was not bc his serve was way better on clay than elsewhere.

Musetti won the 2nd set TB 7-2, with at minimum 2 clean winners (one on MP no less), but Stan handed the match to him?

Time will tell.
For now, we'll just have to agree to disagree. ;)
 

Ocean Drive

Hall of Fame
Has some solid shots, but this board needs a big reality check. Musetti is still regularly losing to guys ranked 200+.

Prior to this match, his best wins have been over Popyrin twice (Dubai and Trieste) and Donskoy once (Dubai). In all three matches Popyrin and Donskoy were playing terribly - I'm talking barely cracking 50% for their first serve. So it was here - Wawrinka was absolutely awful and essentially beat himself.

Right now Musetti has nothing that can hurt top 150 players. He needs a lot more time on the Challenger tour, and a lot more development if he is ever going to make it into the main draw of ATP events.
You must be on some strong stuff!
 

Arvid

Semi-Pro
Well regardless of how well or not Stan was playing i just think that what i saw for potential in his play was incredible!! Rarely does a player come along that shows this kind of magic, it seemed there was no shot in the book that he couldnt not master with panache! If hes not a complete headcase which he doesnt seem to be i feel its just a matter of time before hes gone put it all together and become an absolute top player...watching hes beautiful game yesterday against Stan it felt like i could watch him play forever, absolute art!
 

AceSalvo

Legend
Well regardless of how well or not Stan was playing i just think that what i saw for potential in his play was incredible!! Rarely does a player come along that shows this kind of magic, it seemed there was no shot in the book that he couldnt not master with panache! If hes not a complete headcase which he doesnt seem to be i feel its just a matter of time before hes gone put it all together and become an absolute top player...watching hes beautiful game yesterday against Stan it felt like i could watch him play forever, absolute art!
Exactly. Temperament and potential has nothing to do with the opponent. This kid has both that can take him to the top.
 

Swingmaster

Semi-Pro
People are acting like he’s the greatest things since nice head. He’s just getting the home country bump. Like Tiafoe, Fritz, and Opelka winning Delray Beach and Memphis and that really sad one on Long Island. That’s why we need to keep our stupid little tournaments here.
 

Pmasterfunk

Professional
People are acting like he’s the greatest things since nice head. He’s just getting the home country bump. Like Tiafoe, Fritz, and Opelka winning Delray Beach and Memphis and that really sad one on Long Island. That’s why we need to keep our stupid little tournaments here.
I think Rome is quite a bit better than Delray Beach.
Also, beating Stan and Nishikori in a row isn't the most embarrassing couple of victories to have, even if they are both in less than stellar form.
 

Swingmaster

Semi-Pro
I think Rome is quite a bit better than Delray Beach.
Also, beating Stan and Nishikori in a row isn't the most embarrassing couple of victories to have, even if they are both in less than stellar form.
True. Hope that was an abberation for Stan. Rooting for him to make one last glorious run.
 

mental midget

Hall of Fame
that's 2 very solid wins over top 10 caliber talent. neither firing on all cylinders but still, great showing. believe he stands a good chance against koepfer (although i like his game, saw him last year playing some good tennis) and then, yep...djokovic. not much hope there but psyched just to see what goes down.
 

oldmanfan

Hall of Fame
The kid hits a nice one hander which is always a pleasure to watch.
Same. I like the way Musetti hits the OHBH much more than the way Tsits does. And his BH has some heat AND arc, which reminds me a little of Nadl's shot arc (i.e. Musetti will be a tough out on clay, if not already).

that's 2 very solid wins over top 10 caliber talent. neither firing on all cylinders but still, great showing. believe he stands a good chance against koepfer (although i like his game, saw him last year playing some good tennis) and then, yep...djokovic. not much hope there but psyched just to see what goes down.
Musetti doesn't always win ATP matches (only 3 played), but when he does, he beats only former top 4 players ;). He played only 3 ATP matches so far, losing the first, and the next two are scalps of former top 4 players. That's gotta be a record, no?

Also, if he gets to Djokr, I think Musetti will give him a match.
 

thomasferrett

Hall of Fame
Sick of the hype behind this kid. People actually predicting he might win an ATP 250 event one day. I think he may make the quarterfinals of an ATP 250 before he retires - but not gonna give him any more than that.
 

Wander

Professional
Has some solid shots, but this board needs a big reality check. Musetti is still regularly losing to guys ranked 200+.

Prior to this match, his best wins have been over Popyrin twice (Dubai and Trieste) and Donskoy once (Dubai). In all three matches Popyrin and Donskoy were playing terribly - I'm talking barely cracking 50% for their first serve. So it was here - Wawrinka was absolutely awful and essentially beat himself.

Right now Musetti has nothing that can hurt top 150 players. He needs a lot more time on the Challenger tour, and a lot more development if he is ever going to make it into the main draw of ATP events.
A day later and your post has already aged badly. Nicely done!
 

Cashman

Hall of Fame
A day later and your post has already aged badly. Nicely done!
Only if you didn't watch the match and know nothing about tennis.

He played extremely well. Nishikori did not. Good for him, but one swallow does not make a summer.

His serve needs a lot of work if he is to consistently compete with guys in the top 100/150.
 
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