My 1-hander vs my 2-hander (VIDEOS)

DonDiego

Hall of Fame
Hey guys,

Yesterday I started a thread about my one-hand backhand, looking for comments and advices. I got some, and they were very good. Thanks everyone.

Now, since I'm tempted to switch every other day, I thought I would post a quick vid of my 2-hander too. It's something rather new in my game, as I started developing and practicing it a few weeks ago. I'm still working on making clean contact and generating enough racquet head speed on a more consistent basis.

As much as I like the one-hander, and even though the 2-hander is probably just as hard to make it into a great shot, there is something ''simpler'' to this stroke that makes me want to keep working on it. Plus, it might not look as good as my 1-hand in practice, but when I try it during games it seems to get me out of trouble more often then the 1-hander. I should also add that I always return serves with two hands on the backhand side. Something tells me that working on my two-hander would be wiser if i want to win more games at my (recreational) level.

So here are the videos:

1-hand:https://vimeo.com/98671802

2-hand: https://vimeo.com/98743516

EDIT: this video might be better (2H, front view): https://vimeo.com/98766821
 
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PoisonSky

New User
Both your 1 and 2 handed backhands look great to me. Seeing as there isn't any money, etc. hanging on your performances there's really nothing wrong imo with continuing to alternate between them, keeps the variety up and keeps it interesting. So before each session you can decide whether you're going to go one or two handed that day, purely depending on what you feel like. I know that's not helpful, sorry
 

Pet

Semi-Pro
Hey mate

Good news to see a potential tennis player in this place and no any clowns that sometimes appear... its a joke.

If you can choose... and yes you can, watching your video, go for 2handbackhand... i have a onehandbackhand and when you haven´t time.. its a problem.

Work in open stance arriving a bit late, make good support with your legs and burn that machine.
 

DonDiego

Hall of Fame
Both your 1 and 2 handed backhands look great to me. Seeing as there isn't any money, etc. hanging on your performances there's really nothing wrong imo with continuing to alternate between them, keeps the variety up and keeps it interesting. So before each session you can decide whether you're going to go one or two handed that day, purely depending on what you feel like. I know that's not helpful, sorry

Well, it's true. I'll decide which one to use before a game, and play the entire game with it. If I see better results with one or the other, I'll stick with it.

Hey mate

Good news to see a potential tennis player in this place and no any clowns that sometimes appear... its a joke.

If you can choose... and yes you can, watching your video, go for 2handbackhand... i have a onehandbackhand and when you haven´t time.. its a problem.

Work in open stance arriving a bit late, make good support with your legs and burn that machine.

Yeah, same for me. I get caught up too many times with my 1-hand since I don't have stellar footwork and preparation. My takeback is also longer with the one-hander, which doesn't help.
 

Tight Lines

Professional
You have a very nice stroke. The only thing I see is there seems to be some kind of a small jerky motion in your backswing before the racket comes down. Under pressure, the swing mechanic might break down. So I would work on getting rid of that small jerky motion (almost as if you are adjusting your grip).

BTW, what is your top hand grip? From the arm positions at impact, it looks like semiwestern. If so, you can actually reduce the amount of loop in the back swing.

Good luck.

Harry
 

DonDiego

Hall of Fame
You have a very nice stroke. The only thing I see is there seems to be some kind of a small jerky motion in your backswing before the racket comes down. Under pressure, the swing mechanic might break down. So I would work on getting rid of that small jerky motion (almost as if you are adjusting your grip).

BTW, what is your top hand grip? From the arm positions at impact, it looks like semiwestern. If so, you can actually reduce the amount of loop in the back swing.

Good luck.

Harry

Yeah, I know about the jerky motion. It's kinda weird, I don't even realize I'm doing it and it's hard to get rid of. The top hand is a semi-western, yes.
 
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Pet

Semi-Pro
Here's a front view of my two-hander: https://vimeo.com/98766821

You can't see where the balls land, but 80% where in, even the ones who seem to fly.

To copy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=go9am7ylZIY

i think you need extend your folowthrough more.

Prepare sooner and make the swing slow and controling all your parts of your body, even balance because sometimes you tend to falling to your left side.

Practise, practise and more practice is the only and best solution.
 

aimr75

Hall of Fame
Good news to see a potential tennis player in this place and no any clowns that sometimes appear... its a joke.

Are they clowns because they are simply trying to learn the game? Get over yourself

OP, nice 2 hander. As someone mentioned there looks to be some jerky movements going on in the takeback. Try setting the grip early and minimize hand / arm movement to just taking the racquet straight back. Let your shoulders/ core do the work during the unit turn. This should smooth it out
 

Maximagq

Banned
I prefer your two hander. Your one handed backhand grip looks rather extreme and the finish is kind of unconventional. Backhands should be a lot flatter than forehands in trajectory.
 

DonDiego

Hall of Fame
I prefer your two hander. Your one handed backhand grip looks rather extreme and the finish is kind of unconventional. Backhands should be a lot flatter than forehands in trajectory.

Thanks Max. I've decided to work on the two-hander this summer and to stick to it. I'll work on smoothing out my stroke and stay relaxed, as I realize that most UE I do with 2HBH when playing games are balls going long due to a tight grip when under pressure.
 

GoaLaSSo

Semi-Pro
I actually think your two hander looks more fluid. It is very simple and effective from what I see on the video.

I think both strokes look good, but something looks a little off about your one hander. I think it is that you "stand up" very early on your shot. You don't really hold yourself in a closed position as long as most one handers do.
 

DonDiego

Hall of Fame
I actually think your two hander looks more fluid. It is very simple and effective from what I see on the video.

I think both strokes look good, but something looks a little off about your one hander. I think it is that you "stand up" very early on your shot. You don't really hold yourself in a closed position as long as most one handers do.

Yes, I feel like there are more ''moving parts'' with the one-hander.

On the other hand, from what I see in the video I seem to lean forward a bit with the 2-hander. Is that something I should correct (keep a straight back)?
 

GoudX

Professional
I prefer the look of your 1hbh, it looks more natural - the 2 hander looks a bit less fluid. Of course how a shot works when teeing off like that is a different matter to how it stands up under attack.
 

GoaLaSSo

Semi-Pro
Leaning forward on a two hander is actually a part of the technique for a lot of players. I can't tell how much you are leaning, but it is good to lean into your shot some on the backhand. The front shoulder is supposed to drop down a bit, and this helps you get better racquet drop and more topspin.

Watch a few players that lean in to hit. If you do a similar thing then there is no need to change it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYW7DaiX6hk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMeEWNyuAnM#t=21

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlmhJTUFEfM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlebgMBe7DQ

If you lean considerably more than these guys, you may want work on balancing yourself a bit better.
 

DonDiego

Hall of Fame
I prefer the look of your 1hbh, it looks more natural - the 2 hander looks a bit less fluid. Of course how a shot works when teeing off like that is a different matter to how it stands up under attack.

I too prefer the look... but as you hinted, I would prefer to win matches than to look good. At this point I would say that none is really superior to the other, so I have to stick with one and work on it.
 

aimr75

Hall of Fame
I too prefer the look... but as you hinted, I would prefer to win matches than to look good. At this point I would say that none is really superior to the other, so I have to stick with one and work on it.

Play someone considerably better than you over a couple hitting sessions using one bh and then the other. It will expose the weaker stroke
 

Pet

Semi-Pro
Good decision, go for the 2handbackhand.

I have onehand, a powerfull stroke with lot of topspin yes, but when you face a real powerful solid player, I tend to slide it, and my slice is one of the best you can see in amateur tennis:), I can hit winners with it high to low, but when I am in trouble, I only can defend and choose the target rather than dominate the play.

Why I don´t play with 2handbackhand? Beause I don´t have sufficient hand speed with this stroke and I feel very stiff and jerky.

So, if you have a good 2handbackhand ball speed, and yes you have it... is the right decision, the regularity will come with the training.
 

RanchDressing

Hall of Fame
OP your 2hb looks great.

If you want to get more power and spin I would just recommend practicing lefty forehands with the left hand in the top position. It helped me out tremendously. After 10 minutes of forehands like that, add in your bottom hand. You will be able to feel the difference.
 

DonDiego

Hall of Fame
Good decision, go for the 2handbackhand.

I have onehand, a powerfull stroke with lot of topspin yes, but when you face a real powerful solid player, I tend to slide it, and my slice is one of the best you can see in amateur tennis:), I can hit winners with it high to low, but when I am in trouble, I only can defend and choose the target rather than dominate the play.

Why I don´t play with 2handbackhand? Beause I don´t have sufficient hand speed with this stroke and I feel very stiff and jerky.

So, if you have a good 2handbackhand ball speed, and yes you have it... is the right decision, the regularity will come with the training.

Thanks for sharing this, it's helpful.

OP your 2hb looks great.

If you want to get more power and spin I would just recommend practicing lefty forehands with the left hand in the top position. It helped me out tremendously. After 10 minutes of forehands like that, add in your bottom hand. You will be able to feel the difference.

Yes I like that drill. I tried it a first time at the park with the ball machine, and I couldn't get one passed the net. It was awful and very humbling. But after 2-3 baskets, I was hitting some pretty nice lefty forehands with good pace and even made a couple DTL, it was nice. For a second I even thought about hitting two forehands instead of a backhand :)
 

DonDiego

Hall of Fame
So I played yesterday, and gave the one-hander a last try... and it went very well. It was my best shot by far, as I struggled with the serve and fh, to finally win 8-6.

It surely is the most natural stroke for me, as I have a much easier time controlling dept and spin with it. I'll keep working on my flaws, as generously exposed by the TT friends here, before making a switch. Namely, to shorten my takeback and follow-through, and stay down on the ball longer and keep my feet square to the ground through the shot.

What worked for me yesterday was thinking: ''get to the ball FAST, and PLANT your feet square before hitting''.
 
Who is this (Pet) clown??

there is always an internet tough guy who gets a kick out of derogating other people. he probably is a solid tennis player but if a person who tries to boost his own ego by calling other people a joke (and as the first post of the thread nontheless) he is a poor personality with bad manners IMO.

but some people need to put down other people to position themselves and feel confident. since he gives solid tennis advice I would overlook his personality issues and listen to him when he talks about tennis.
 

Pet

Semi-Pro
there is always an internet tough guy who gets a kick out of derogating other people. he probably is a solid tennis player but if a person who tries to boost his own ego by calling other people a joke (and as the first post of the thread nontheless) he is a poor personality with bad manners IMO.

but some people need to put down other people to position themselves and feel confident. since he gives solid tennis advice I would overlook his personality issues and listen to him when he talks about tennis.

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Pet

Semi-Pro
So I played yesterday, and gave the one-hander a last try... and it went very well. It was my best shot by far, as I struggled with the serve and fh, to finally win 8-6.

It surely is the most natural stroke for me, as I have a much easier time controlling dept and spin with it. I'll keep working on my flaws, as generously exposed by the TT friends here, before making a switch. Namely, to shorten my takeback and follow-through, and stay down on the ball longer and keep my feet square to the ground through the shot.

What worked for me yesterday was thinking: ''get to the ball FAST, and PLANT your feet square before hitting''.

You are gonne have goods and bads days with either backhands, don´t guide you with only one day, is like when you play the first time with a new raquet.
 

DonDiego

Hall of Fame
I was still returning with two hands though. I can't get rid of that habit (which is probably a good thing...)

Well yes, I know after a bad day I'll be tempted to switch again. A decision by the end of summer should be a more realistic goal for me :)
 

Fxanimator1

Hall of Fame
I have onehand, a powerfull stroke with lot of topspin yes, but when you face a real powerful solid player, I tend to slide it, and my slice is one of the best you can see in amateur tennis:), I can hit winners with it high to low, but when I am in trouble, I only can defend and choose the target rather than dominate the play.


Gee! Stuck on yourself much? "Me, me, I, my, moi, myself,"

Post a video for all us clowns to see these perfect strokes.
 

LeeD

Bionic Poster
Always nice to have lots of weapons, and especially nice to have alternatives on the backhand side.
Too bad by splitting use of both, neither get's the practice it warrants.
Imagine how good your backhand would be if all your practice time was directed to ONE style of backhand.
 

DonDiego

Hall of Fame
Always nice to have lots of weapons, and especially nice to have alternatives on the backhand side.
Too bad by splitting use of both, neither get's the practice it warrants.
Imagine how good your backhand would be if all your practice time was directed to ONE style of backhand.

I know......
 

DonDiego

Hall of Fame
My problem is every time I practice, or friendly-rally with someone, the one-hander seems so easy. Then I start thinking that this is my ''natural'' shot and tell myself to fix the footwork, or this, or that. And then in game time -- except for the last one -- this shot lets me down rather often (mostly because, contrary to practice, balls are not predictable and I can't hit as fluidly and relaxed as in practice).

Then I practice with two-hands and tell myself, well, it feels thight and weird sometimes, I'm not hitting the sweetspot as often as with the one-hander, but I manage to hit some good balls and look ok on video. But it doesn't feel ''fluid'' or ''natural'' as the one-hander. But then I play games, and I start returning with two hands -- with much better success than one-hand -- and I suddenly feel more ''natural'' to use my two hands on various shots that are at my feet, stretched wide, high... Go figure.

I guess this must have happened to a few players. But I'm not gonna waste more of your time, and I'll choose one very soon and stick to it.
 

DonDiego

Hall of Fame
Too bad by splitting use of both, neither get's the practice it warrants.
Imagine how good your backhand would be if all your practice time was directed to ONE style of backhand.

Not only that, but the shot I should devote practice time the most is my serve, which truly is the shot that win or lose any game for me :)
 

DonDiego

Hall of Fame
Here's another vid I did two days ago, where I try to shorten my takeback and follow-through a bit on the one-hander, as suggested by a few TT fellows (not sure if I succeeded). I had the wind against me so I had to hurry some of my shots anyway...

https://vimeo.com/99100681
 

TennisCJC

Legend
Tough call - both are solid. But, my advice is to pick one and stick with it. OK to practice one when messing around but in league matches or tournaments against good competition, I would not want to have 2 options. Pick one and play/practice it 95% of the time, and just hit the other one for fun.

Just from reading your comments, I think you lean toward the 1hbh. But, if you go 1hbh, use it for ROS too.

Your 2hbh is more compact and that probably explains why you like it for ROS. I watched 2 young guns hitting yesterday that were open level. I noticed one of them had a great 1hbh but his 1hbh ROS was a much different stroke. His ROS was very compact, almost like a turn, block and flow thru with practically no back swing. Pretty flat too.
 

RanchDressing

Hall of Fame
Here's another vid I did two days ago, where I try to shorten my takeback and follow-through a bit on the one-hander, as suggested by a few TT fellows (not sure if I succeeded). I had the wind against me so I had to hurry some of my shots anyway...

https://vimeo.com/99100681

Although I think you could have a great two hander, the one hander can work well as-well.

I think that your one hander is much better than most people are giving you criticism for. If anything I like the aggressive grip you use.

My biggest complaint about your backhand would be the power, or rather lack of. You generate a good amount of pace, but you're not rotating enough through the ball, and it's holding you back. If you used your hip/shoulder rotation more I think you would have an absolute stunner backhand. Not to say that the backhand you have now is at all bad.

Take some time and watch this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxgE-n9G7XU
Pause your video (http://vimeo.com/99100681) right around of the end of :31 and compare to where your left hip stops at the end of your stroke to where stan wawrinka's stops. Also a big one is at the end of your stroke at :40 seconds compare that to 2:22 when stan finishes his backhand. Notice how much more of his back you can see? That's from much more rotation. If you can get more rotation you'll find more power, and it will make it easier on your arm/shoulder as well. Beyond that, you will technically recover even faster. Stan is almost finishing parallel to the baseline, and this is where his immense power comes from.
 
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DonDiego

Hall of Fame
Thanks.
Great vid Ranch, Wawrinka really does open up his chest a lot. He turns his body as much as a two-hander does. I guess that's what we call a ''modern'' one-hander.
 

DonDiego

Hall of Fame
This morning I worked on staying low a bit longer, and stay flat footed (right foot) throughout the shot, as I have a tendency to lock the knee too quickly, and sometimes hit on my right toes (which deprives me of power). This simple fix will do wonder, I can sense it.

One thing at a time. That's all I'll be working on this summer. This, and returning with one hand as TennisCJC suggested. I'll forget the two-hander for a while and try to focus on one stroke.

EDIT: As for my takeback and finish, I just found some comfort watching this vid of Dimitrov. I don't pretend one bit to have a backhand 1/5 as good or good looking as Dimitrov, but I noticed that he does have a long takeback (strings facing the fence) and a somewhat exagerated finish.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tKl2aWyork
 
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RanchDressing

Hall of Fame
Honestly don't worry about your take back until you find yourself hitting late too much (going down the line more than you intend to). As your stroke (actually swinging through contact) takes shape it will find it's own way. If anything taking it up and back might not be a bad thing to help you get cover on the ball. If a forehand can have a high start so can a backhand.
Focus on your feet spacing and stance to the ball, while incorporating the increase in shoulder downturn and consequent explosive torso rotation. Emphasize driving up from your legs; this will help build stamina (by using your legs) and power. That will be tricky enough for a while. You'll have to adjust how aggressively you turn your racquet face through contact when you start increasing power to keep the ball in play.
 

DonDiego

Hall of Fame
Thanks. I honestly would love to master the two-hander, but I find it very difficult to stay relaxed and control the dept of my shots. More specifically, I find it harder to let the racket ''roll over the ball'' to impart natural spin without forcing it. I have a much easier time doing this with my one-hander.
 

LeeD

Bionic Poster
There appears to be a difference between practice and match play in this case.
1hbh, you're hitting very well in ball feed practice, but you say it does get inconsistent in real match play.
2hbh, you feel stiff when hitting, but have you tried it against a live player who mixes spins, pace, and depth?
Some posters have suggested a stronger grip on the right hand, for 2hbh, allowing for a modern WW finish across your body, ensuring topspin.
 

DonDiego

Hall of Fame
There appears to be a difference between practice and match play in this case.
1hbh, you're hitting very well in ball feed practice, but you say it does get inconsistent in real match play.
2hbh, you feel stiff when hitting, but have you tried it against a live player who mixes spins, pace, and depth?
Some posters have suggested a stronger grip on the right hand, for 2hbh, allowing for a modern WW finish across your body, ensuring topspin.

I'm playing tonight a friendly match. We usually play 3 sets so I'll try the two-handers for a full set at least, and I'll try to figure out if there is still a discrepancy between practice and matches with both backhands.

''Bionic Poster''? Congrats LeeD!
 

LeeD

Bionic Poster
One match doesn't determine a conclusion.
I hit great 1hbh topspin in practice.
I hit all slices in most of my matches. Just like Steffi Graf ..:):)
 

chatt_town

Hall of Fame
I hate to admit this...being a 1 hander...but if you are going to hit them both that well...especially under pressure...I'd use them both depending on the person you are playing. I didn't think I'd ever tell someone to use a two hander but then I didn't think I'd ever see someone that hit both well.lol

I have learned to hit my one hander up the line now so it's much more lethal. I think I hit about 14 backhand winners tonight...but that was in 3 long sets. The guy is 6'8 or I would have more. If I were you...I'd keep using both since as someone said there is no money involved.lol


Hey guys,

Yesterday I started a thread about my one-hand backhand, looking for comments and advices. I got some, and they were very good. Thanks everyone.

Now, since I'm tempted to switch every other day, I thought I would post a quick vid of my 2-hander too. It's something rather new in my game, as I started developing and practicing it a few weeks ago. I'm still working on making clean contact and generating enough racquet head speed on a more consistent basis.

As much as I like the one-hander, and even though the 2-hander is probably just as hard to make it into a great shot, there is something ''simpler'' to this stroke that makes me want to keep working on it. Plus, it might not look as good as my 1-hand in practice, but when I try it during games it seems to get me out of trouble more often then the 1-hander. I should also add that I always return serves with two hands on the backhand side. Something tells me that working on my two-hander would be wiser if i want to win more games at my (recreational) level.

So here are the videos:

1-hand:https://vimeo.com/98671802

2-hand: https://vimeo.com/98743516

EDIT: this video might be better (2H, front view): https://vimeo.com/98766821
 

LeeD

Bionic Poster
DonDiego....
My backhand slice is not my problem, even in ROS in good doubles.
My problem is I can't load any weight on my left foot, and me lefty, that can be a problem.
 

RanchDressing

Hall of Fame
I hate to admit this...being a 1 hander...but if you are going to hit them both that well...especially under pressure...I'd use them both depending on the person you are playing. I didn't think I'd ever tell someone to use a two hander but then I didn't think I'd ever see someone that hit both well.lol

I have learned to hit my one hander up the line now so it's much more lethal. I think I hit about 14 backhand winners tonight...but that was in 3 long sets. The guy is 6'8 or I would have more. If I were you...I'd keep using both since as someone said there is no money involved.lol

My vote is still pick one. Whichever is more comfortable is important. Come crunch time you need to have your game straight. Actively choosing what backhand to hit on a big point could leave you stranded. Yes when you're scrambling usually you'll just do things without thinking, but when you have an attackable midcourt with days to think about it, you need to be on your game and clearminded. Not saying that you won't be, but comitting to one shot will help your confidence and ultimately power
 

Pet

Semi-Pro
Here's another vid I did two days ago, where I try to shorten my takeback and follow-through a bit on the one-hander, as suggested by a few TT fellows (not sure if I succeeded). I had the wind against me so I had to hurry some of my shots anyway...

https://vimeo.com/99100681

DonDiego, in this vid you show slow feets, and that is the enemy of every stroke, and for the onehand topspindbackhand specially, is the worst.

If you go for this stroke, you would need force a lot more, runing around it, making a lot of specific training. You are only hitting a easy backhand over and over again, in a very easy situation in this vid, so is like lie to you.

In a match, you haven´t that circunstances.

Play with 2handbackhand!!
 
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