My 4.5ish level video - looking to improve

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  1. samprasbackhand

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    Hi guys, so I recently got an action camera to hopefully record matches find ways to improve, and here is one of my first singles matches caught on tape. I probably need to get better at editing videos, seeing as I probably cut out most of the points (shanking returns, dumping easy balls into the net) that might've been helpful to analyze my game. I lost the sets we played 1-6 & 4-6 but most of the games and points we played are usually pretty close. I'm the player with no hat and the one-handed backhand.



     
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  2. ChaelAZ

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    Like that DS at 2:30.
     
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  3. Justin Yesso

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    It appears from the fish eye view anyway that you might need to work on your knee bend on ground strokes. You seem quite a bit more upright in your stature while hitting than your opponent who really gets a solid bend and upwards thrust which really shows in the free rpms on his topspin balls.

    Watch your video and you tend on the forehand side to lean over to right to initiate lower contact. Train yourself to coil downwards in your knee/hips and then start a normal swing while exploding upwards and you'll find a lot more consistency and power.
     
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    You guys are both amazing. Great forehands. Handle low balls so well.
     
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  5. Steady Eddy

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    You're a good player. Did/do you take lessons?
     
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  6. jga111

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    Just saw a bit - I think your general spacing can improve particularly on your BH side
     
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  7. Gyswandir

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    Didn’t watch the whole thing, but here are a few “impressions.” You improved on this later, but in general your opponent got you into FH to Bh situations more often and his bh is a bit more solid. Also, I felt you didn’t come forward to the net on some short balls, while he typically did.
    Another impression is that your movement felt slow Compared to him. He had much more active feet.
     
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  8. FiReFTW

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    Your a good player and you have all the right mechanics, your technique is good and fluid.

    At this point asking ttw forum members for advice is pretty useless in my opinion, like that guy that said ur not bending ur kneeds enough lol dude gtfo, go watch ATP pro players, they bend down when the ball is extremely low, when its mid height they barely bend much, certainly not as much as some people here have you say.



    What you need is mileage in order to improve your strokes and also improve your awareness, spacing, tactics etc..

    Play as much as you can and if possible practice and do drills to improve your stroke placement.
     
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    Thank you! It's something I didn't notice in general until my saw myself on video but I definitely need to get at least a little knee bend to try and get some more free power in my shots.

    Thanks! Yes, I started playing when I was 12 and took lessons until I was 17 or so. I"m 28 now. My coach originally taught me 2HBH but I switched eventually.
     
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    I didn't watch all the video, but overall I think you hit the ball solidly and have good technique.

    Some general comments and questions:

    What is your general strategy when you play and what was it for this match?
    Are you trying to play defensive and force your opponent to make errors? Do you prefer attacking? It wasn't clear to me what your game plan was in this video. It looked like you were hitting the ball solidly, but you never looked like you were trying to attack or put pressure on your opponent. If you were more interested in playing defensive and out rallying him, I think using more variety might help (i.e. varying your pace and spin, coming in on short balls, bringing opponent in...basically anything to try and keep your opponent off balance and not get in a rhythm).

    Another quick partial observation pertains to depth. Depth to me is more critical than pace and spin. A lot of your balls seemed to be landing at the service line area (which is fairly normal). You have enough pace and spin that this is fine for your rallying strokes, but there should be times when you are hitting the ball deeper towards the baseline to force more errors and generate short balls from your opponent. Once again, though, I didn't watch the full video and I know this is a partial video of the whole match. But perhaps you could take a look at it and see if you hitting as much depth as you need to be.

    Lastly, playing matches is a lot about developing a style of play and being congruent. That doesn't mean not trying to improve and only playing one style, though. For instance, I tend to play very defensively. I try to win my matches by playing very consistent, retrieving balls, minimizing errors by playing with high margin and high % shots. Thus, with my style of play, it would be incongruent to go out and try to hit return winners, or try to blast the first forehand I get for a winner. That doesn't mean I don't make adjustments during a match based on my opponent. Sometimes I realize I have to be more aggressive because I'm playing someone who is very consistent and patient. But for me that doesn't mean I should try to hit winners...that is not my game. I may have to be more aggressive to try and create some short balls, or I may need to come in more often. These are small variances but are "congruent" with my playing style of trying to keep errors at a minimum and letting opponents beat themselves
     
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  11. NuBas

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    Looks good to me.
     
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    Dang! This some quality ballstriking. Congrats on the forehand.
     
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  13. Dartagnan64

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    I like your serve OP. Sure it's not an ATP level howitzer, but you have a nice consistent ball toss and platform serve motion. Not overly complex, good rhythm to it, good locations. It's kind of where I want to go with my platform serve. I know I can never have a big time serve but if I could get close to your consistent motion, I'd be pleased as punch.
     
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    The only thing that jumped out to me was that you are slow to prepare on the forehand side (waiting for the ball to bounce before you bring the racquet back).
     
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    I think I've hit on those courts before!
     
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    In general, I try to hit heavy topspin balls to my opponents backhands until I get shorter balls and then open up the court. t would say I play more of an attacking style but am struggling a bit with that lately. As you pointed out, a lot of my balls tend to land short and my opponents take advantage.
     
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  17. samprasbackhand

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    Took another video this weekend

     
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  18. dgold44

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    Backhands are very nice !!

    Good volleys

    Need to improve forehand and serve

    Forehand seems like you’re just slapping at it and the shot looks awkward
     
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  19. dgold44

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    Serve should be much bigger for your size


    Good competitor !!!
     
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  20. dgold44

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    Take some lessons and you could get to 5.0!
     
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    To get to 5.0, do you need an instructor who is 5.0 or higher?
     
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  22. dgold44

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    You can get a 4.5 guy who excels in technique

    This guy has very good backhand but needs bigger serve and forehand to play the big guns at 4.5
     
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  23. dgold44

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    I would prefer a 5 to 6 but good players can be lousy in teaching
     
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  24. FiReFTW

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    Really nice play @samprasbackhand , how long have you been playing tennis for?

    You are quite good already, you would beat 99% of the posters here.

    Keep playing as much as possible.
     
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    Thanks, I've played for about 16 years but have taken some pretty long breaks in those years
     
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  26. Keendog

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    How did you lose so comprehensively? You seem to win most of the points in the video. The guy in the hat doesn't seem to go for much, seems to put in a lot of deep balls in the middle of the court. You seem to try to open up the court more than him with angles, but in rallying you drop in some really short balls compared to hat guy. Also seems like sometimes you pick up flight of ball late on deeper balls, either that or you just move late rather than early. Hat guy is really good on his feet
     
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  27. Sardines

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    From the 3 minutes I saw in the first video, trunk rotation and driving through on the backhand is limited. Looks like you're trying to copy Sampras without the hitting through part. That's why your shots lack depth or penetration. Seems like you're using your arm, instead of full trunk rotation.
    Forehand rotation is good but you can get even more rotation speed and stability by using the left arm as torque.
    Serve: you can get more spin and pace by hitting up into the ball. Your contact point is a little low, for the type of serve you are hitting.
     
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    Our games are almost always very close, so say even if the set score is 6-1 there will typically be plenty of long deuce games in between. While I might be a slightly more aggressive player than him, he is definitely much more consistent and steady than me. I tend to make a lot of sloppy and lazy mistakes which didn't make it into the video which costs me a lot of points.
     
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  29. user92626

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    Good playing. Good ball bashing. I was waiting for someone to do some slicing and drop-shotting to see how you guys dealt with them but it wasn't easy to find. Eventually I found it around the 2:00 mark and sure enough, your opponent couldn't deal with a slice you suddenly threw in.

    Surprised that you didn't mix up your shots more or come in to mess up your opponent's rhythm. There's a certain easiness to playing baseline drive strokes all the time! I dunno. Just my opinion.
     
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  30. Keendog

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    Try concentrating on depth. In first two games do nothing but mirror his play, middle of court deep balls and just keep going till he blinks (ie goes for a winner or opens court up). See what he does, see if you can frustrate him or not. Don't let him dictate play to his style, challenge how he wants to play. Going for your shots isn't working as you're not consistent enough to make it.

    You can also attack net with a deep ball up centre, you don't have to go wide all the time. He seems too good a mover side to side.

    As one person also said, try slices that bounce mid court, tempt him to go for something he usually doesn't. Next ball just put it deep, it will probably be at his toes which will be difficult. Look for ways to extract errors from him. You only need to work out a plan to win points one way, then repeat ad nauseum until he comes up with an answer to it. Attack his psyche instead of the ball with shots you can make. This is why I love singles.
     
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  31. 2good4U

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    Sorry, but the best ATP pros do! (at the hips and waist too)

    The lower your stance, the sweeter your dance.

    The lower you bend, the better you defend.

    Get nice and low, you'll really go.
     
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  32. nytennisaddict

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    my $0.02
    * seems many balls land at the service line, in the middle of the court... makes it easier for me to change direction and dictate play (and you don't hit hard enough to make that short landing ball a neutralizing shot)
    * could come to net more on deep balls (you do sometimes, but i saw many opportunities where i'd have come in)
    * why not prefer bh to bh rallies? or better, your fh to his bh?... or are you trying to avoid a bh/bh exchange?
    * you change direction alot (eg. dtl), IMO prematurely, ultimately makeing you run more.
    * i think the careless errors you edited out, would provide more info into what you need to do to improve
     
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  33. coupergear

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    Looks great. Solid game. I'd say work on a more compact FH. Guessing lots of errors off that wing. Backswing too big too far back. Watch Macci video with the kid. Kid hits like you...looks real good but Macci wants much less backswing, no big loop. For dealing w heavier and heavier pace at advanced levels, less is more.
     
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    Thanks for the tips. I played yesterday and did try to focus on hitting a bit deeper or at least harder when my balls land near the service line and also came to net a bit more. My camera ran out of battery before I could finish the set but I'll try to get another video up soon and I'll leave more of my bad misses in.

    BH to BH rallies might be a good strategy for me but I guess I haven't developed as much confidence in my BH as I have in my FH. Growing up, my coach had taught me 2HBH but after I while I switched to a self-taught 1HBH. While it has improved a lot, I still don't always have the confidence to go BH to BH especially against the guy I'm playing in the video I posted.
     
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