My 8 knot masterpiece

Shroud

G.O.A.T.
You must tie pretty good knots to hold tension at the range you string at. :-D
Suppose so. I only do parnell knots unless its the fisherman knots. Never had any issues.

Though I thought I could do a fisherman knot with the 2 poly strings but nope way wrong on that...
 
Suppose so. I only do parnell knots unless its the fisherman knots. Never had any issues.

Though I thought I could do a fisherman knot with the 2 poly strings but nope way wrong on that...
I guess the poly is not flexible enough for a fisherman's knot. Kevlar is soft and flexible and thus would hold most knots. Was just interested that you could get the knots to hold without slipping considering how much tension you pull through them
 

Shroud

G.O.A.T.
I guess the poly is not flexible enough for a fisherman's knot. Kevlar is soft and flexible and thus would hold most knots. Was just interested that you could get the knots to hold without slipping considering how much tension you pull through them
Poly is pretty stiff so once its knotted it stays. I would worry though about a starting knot at those tensions.
 

elkwood

Hall of Fame
I heard he beat the guy he was playing and after seeing the rac tried to have shroud disqualified with a illegal string job by
claiming that knots not suppose to be in the string bed like that !!! Can u believe some people !!
 

Ronaldo

Bionic Poster
Its knot about tying the knot. It's also about keeping the knot tight. Here's to tight beds and loose................................nets
 
reminds one of "Spaghetti stringing" - which was banned decades ago - but it isn't exactly that either - USTA FRIEND AT COURT 2020 HANDBOOK OF RULES AND REGULATIONS. APPENDIX II THE RACKET b. The hitting surface, defined as the main area of the stringing pattern bordered by the points of entry of the strings into the head or points of contact of the strings with the head, whichever is the smaller, shall be flat and consist of a pattern of crossed strings, which shall be alternately interlaced or bonded where they cross. The stringing pattern must be generally uniform and, in particular, not less dense in the centre than in any other area. The racket shall be designed and strung such that the playing characteristics are identical on both faces. (p.21). The string pattern is not generally uniform, as such is also not legal.
 

Shroud

G.O.A.T.
reminds one of "Spaghetti stringing" - which was banned decades ago - but it isn't exactly that either - USTA FRIEND AT COURT 2020 HANDBOOK OF RULES AND REGULATIONS. APPENDIX II THE RACKET b. The hitting surface, defined as the main area of the stringing pattern bordered by the points of entry of the strings into the head or points of contact of the strings with the head, whichever is the smaller, shall be flat and consist of a pattern of crossed strings, which shall be alternately interlaced or bonded where they cross. The stringing pattern must be generally uniform and, in particular, not less dense in the centre than in any other area. The racket shall be designed and strung such that the playing characteristics are identical on both faces. (p.21). The string pattern is not generally uniform, as such is also not legal.
Thats a stretch. The string PATTERN is not altered. The density and pattern are the same. The characteristics are the same on both faces.

If your reading disqualifies it then so too the Lendl pattern and probably every hybrid...
 

Shroud

G.O.A.T.
I heard he beat the guy he was playing and after seeing the rac tried to have shroud disqualified with a illegal string job by
claiming that knots not suppose to be in the string bed like that !!! Can u believe some people !!
Bunch of sore losers these days.
 

esgee48

G.O.A.T.
The pattern may not meet requirements because the splicing knots on the last mains are not in the same place on each side. Of course, if @Shroud is hitting the ball there, he has other problems. BITD, when strings were patched, the knots were next to the frame where all well behaved knots reside. They are not on the string bed.
 

Shroud

G.O.A.T.
The pattern may not meet requirements because the splicing knots on the last mains are not in the same place on each side. Of course, if @Shroud is hitting the ball there, he has other problems. BITD, when strings were patched, the knots were next to the frame where all well behaved knots reside. They are not on the string bed.
Shroud has many problems.
 
Thats a stretch. The string PATTERN is not altered. The density and pattern are the same. The characteristics are the same on both faces.

If your reading disqualifies it then so too the Lendl pattern and probably every hybrid...
I'm not trying to put you down, I believe the USTA rules and regulations suggest it is illegal. The stringing pattern is not generally uniform as there are knots in the string bed, I will play up to being my own harshest critic it might be a stretch but the quote also says the strings in the head....shall be flat....The knots are raised thus the strings are not flat (the string bed is not flat as required by the regulation) the knots create an inconsistent and raised pattern. I believe that string job is illegal. If someone can find a section of the rules and regulations that suggests otherwise by all means, please post it.
 

Wes

Professional
If your reading disqualifies it then so too the Lendl pattern and probably every hybrid...
There is nothing about the Lendl/Bosworth? pattern that would make it illegal, nor a standard hybrid (presuming, of course, that neither has knots residing within the string bed).
 

Irvin

Talk Tennis Guru
@Shroud you could have avoided knots had you strung 14 mains with the Kevlar and tied them off. Then tie a starting knot at the throat to run an outer main all crosses and finish with the last outer main. Knots are the weakest section of the string especially if it in the stringbed.

EDIT: That would not work for a racket with an even number of crosses.
 

Shroud

G.O.A.T.
@Shroud you could have avoided knots had you strung 14 mains with the Kevlar and tied them off. Then tie a starting knot at the throat to run an outer main all crosses and finish with the last outer main. Knots are the weakest section of the string especially if it in the stringbed.

EDIT: That would not work for a racket with an even number of crosses.
Hey Irvin. I have done that a few times but in this case the crosses were reused too and would too short to do that I think.
 

Irvin

Talk Tennis Guru
Hey Irvin. I have done that a few times but in this case the crosses were reused too and would too short to do that I think.
Unless your knot on the outside of the frame was between 2 crosses. Then you have 5 knots, unless you count the fisherman’s knot as 2. But if that were the case you would have had a 10 knot masterpiece(s.)

EDIT: if you do that you may have to lock your bumper grommet down skipping the last grommet on the bumper. That gives you a longer section of string so you don’t loose tension with the knot up against the grommet. Then you come back and get that skipped cross. Wilson used to recommend that on Hammers anyway.
 
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Shroud

G.O.A.T.
Unless your knot on the outside of the frame was between 2 crosses. Then you have 5 knots, unless you count the fisherman’s knot as 2. But if that were the case you would have had a 10 knot masterpiece(s.)

EDIT: if you do that you may have to lock your bumper grommet down skipping the last grommet on the bumper. That gives you a longer section of string so you don’t loose tension with the knot up against the grommet. Then you come back and get that skipped cross. Wilson used to recommend that on Hammers anyway.
There are 3 stings. 2 knots each so six and 2 fisherman...that 8

one piece of kev for the mains, and 2 polys for the cross.
 

Irvin

Talk Tennis Guru
There are 3 stings. 2 knots each so six and 2 fisherman...that 8

one piece of kev for the mains, and 2 polys for the cross.
I going down to Cordele this weekend meet me there and well duke it out. LOL

I think you have 5 sections of string, no matter where the knots are, both ends of those 5 sections have knots. A fisherman’s knot would not hold if one end of the 2 strings you’re joining were not knotted would it? So i think you have 10 knots with 5 pieces “Knot Master.”
 

Irvin

Talk Tennis Guru
Unless I’m mistaken if you had a single knot on a main string it would be like a stopper knot.
 

Shroud

G.O.A.T.
I going down to Cordele this weekend meet me there and well duke it out. LOL

I think you have 5 sections of string, no matter where the knots are, both ends of those 5 sections have knots. A fisherman’s knot would not hold if one end of the 2 strings you’re joining were not knotted would it? So i think you have 10 knots with 5 pieces “Knot Master.”
No idea what Cordele is. I will be doing my taxes.

YOu are right that I have 4 pieces of kevlar and 2 pieces of poly....but its still 8 knots.

Here is a pict

 

Irvin

Talk Tennis Guru
YOu are right that I have 4 pieces of kevlar and 2 pieces of poly....but its still 8 knots.

Here is a pict

I don’t see 6 strings I see 5. Knot 5 and knot 7 are fisherman’s knots or are they not? If those knots are not those knots then those knots can be a single knot for each knot. But if those knots are those knots then those knots are 2 knots each knot are they or are they not. I’m getting all knotted up here.
 
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Shroud

G.O.A.T.
I don’t see 6 strings I see 5. Knot 5 and knot 7 are fisherman’s knots or are they not? If those knots are not those knots then those knots can be a single knot for each knot. But if those knots are those knots then those knots are 2 knots each knot are they or are they not. I’m getting all knotted up here.
Knottin to it Irvin. I think of a fisherman knot as one knot...but can see how you might think its two.
 

Folsom_Stringer_Musa

Professional
No idea what Cordele is. I will be doing my taxes.

YOu are right that I have 4 pieces of kevlar and 2 pieces of poly....but its still 8 knots.

Here is a pict

If you show this image (w/o those numbers) to a stringer who has not seen this thread, he wont be able to count the knots.
He\she would blame own eyes.
 

Irvin

Talk Tennis Guru
If you show this image (w/o those numbers) to a stringer who has not seen this thread, he wont be able to count the knots.
He\she would blame own eyes.
That would depend on how closely you look. It is easy to see 3 strings for the mains and 2 strings for crosses. 5 strings tying each end is 10 knots. Unless you consider the fisherman’s knot a single knot.
 

Wes

Professional
Unless you consider the fisherman’s knot a single knot.

The Fisherman's Knot (as well as the Double Fisherman's Knot) is a single knot. It is a joining knot.
Just because it's a joining knot, doesn't suddenly make it two knots.

Same thing applies to the Square Knot (aka Reef Knot), Granny Knot, Water Knot, etc. Those are joining knots, yet each is a single knot.

After all, a Double Bowline isn't two knots, merely because "double" is part of it's name.
 
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