Discussion in 'Racquets' started by neverstopplaying, Dec 31, 2011.
Who is Donald Young???
It was a joke...he is a "NEVER BEEN".... Him using a Dunlop 400 Tour is not going to selling any frames...
Added some weight to the hoop of my 400 tour and will compare with a stock 400 tour to see how much a little weight in the hoop can improve an already great racquet. I want to check the swing weight of my stock stick as I think the swing weight is higher than what TW has reported. Will report back after a bit more court time.
2Murray fan1, how and where exactly lead tape you added?
I added 1/4 inch lead tape on either side of the strings along the hoop ranging from about 10 -2 . I attached to lead to the hoop the same way as Neverstopplaying with electrical tape on top. I tried to fix it without but the dimple finish on the hoop would not allow the lead tape to stick. If I end up keeping this stick with the lead installed I will end up putting it under the bumper grommets.
Since some grommets are flaired I guess you will have to buy an extra grommet set and also lose the flaires on the new grommets, unless you know how to create the flaire.
Is there another way? I will want to do the same if I stick with the 400t.
You would have to buy a flairing tool
Just thought I would give this thread a bump. I have been concentrating mainly on my Melbourne as of late so haven't had much time with the 400 Tour. Just wondering how your are making out.
Any of you guys hit with the 400 tour and the ig prestige pro? Can you compare the two?
I know that they are completely different racket, but just need advice.
Still loving it. I've gotten quite used to hitting with the 400T and have some big wins in January. It does seem to offer me the perfect blend of power and control, and reduces fatigue from extended play. I want to hit some more with the TF320 and have a pair of Prestige Pros coming in this week from a trade, so I will compare some more before committing to this one. Consider me it ever yours goes up for sale.
I will provide some info next week when I get my Pros, but they are not the IG version.
Hi Ray! Interesting thread... Wondering what happened with your love for the TF325. I just re-acquired 2 of them even though i'm not hitting much these days.
Nice to see you're still on tt. TF 325s are still my favorite racquets. I thought I'd stick with them for a long time. Good luck with yours.
However, I'm playing a lot this winter and 3-5 two-hour stretches of singles per week seems to cause some arm fatigue in 2nd hour. Also, there are a few opponents swinging tweeners that beat me regularly and I know that they're not working as hard as me.
I can't deal with the lack of control of most popular tweeners but thought I'd try this new 400T as I like almost all Dunlops. I'm also trying the TF 320 but it seems to offer a little less control - only hit with it once so far.
Interesting signature , how is this set up working for you? Last time I checked in you were using full bed poly.
Ive got about 6 hours on klip/beast and its nice. Its the most consistent setup yet and looks like it will last another 6 hours or more. Of course its a little softer than full poly, but I love full cyclone in this racquet at lower tensions for about 4 hours.
I'm also pretty sure a tweener would be beneficial for my game. It's almost illogical for a rec player like me to use low-powered player's racquet when the vast majority of pros play with tweeners.
I tried a lot of lighter and more powerful racquets (unfortunately for my wallet) with very bad results. They feel hollow, they twist in my hands and the thicker beams / bigger and different head shapes just fell wrong in my hands. My overheads and volleys usually improve by a long shot but ground strokes just feel bad. The TF325 is just on the line for me.
I'll admit you've tempted me about this 400T, especially after i saw Donald Young tested one (if a pro gives it a shot, there has to be some potential for this frame) but i'm afraid i'd waist my money once again. I'm a sucker for less known racquet brands with simple/black cosmetics and at the moment, i really want a Donnay Pro One 97 or a PK Black Ace 98 to try out. Ever it with these?
Good luck with your tennis and i'm looking forward to your PPro comparison!
Just remember the pros may or may not be using the racquet that the paint job seems to indicate (you probably already know this...so sorry if so). If they do actually play with the racquet it is often modified in a major way...most common with the addition of lead weight...turning the "tweener" into something entirely different. I'm not dismissing a pro's endorsement entirely, as the "bones" may be the same (though evidently often not)...its just not an off the shelf unmodified racquet in many if not all cases.
PJ-one of the few advantages of this frame
I'm aware of that, but even with weight added, a tweener remains a stiffer frame and becomes even more powerful! Just look at all the male players playing with Aeroprodrives, Pure Drives, Instincts, Extremes, Ozone Tour and then look at the women's tour; almost ALL women use tweeners. And i'm not talking about the paint here but thanks for the mention.
For the same reasons you mention, this is why I went to the 325 in June and now on to the 400T. The 400T is giving me more pop, especially on serves, and offers just as much control. But I guess it's not for everyone as Getsby hated it and is looking at TF320 / TF325.
If I was younger I would probably stick with the 325 and not bother with the 400T. Good luck with your 325s. I think this is your second time around with them.
Good points Hidious...I guess all the spin modern players hit with allows them to control stiffer more powerful racquets. I'm intrigued by the 400T. It seems like a more powerful version of a racquet I've played a good bit with....the Fischer Magnetic Tour...very similar specs except for flex. A bit more easy power would be a good thing for me as long as it not too hard on the arm/shoulder.
I haven't cared much for the few Dunlops I've hit though I know they have their fans including a local friend of mine.
I will post my review of the 400 tour soon, right now I'm using it against a wide variety of players, with different game styles in order to get a balanced feedback. By the way this is a player's frame (a modern player's frame).
Any results to report?
Had a quick demo with the racquet and was very impressed. Best part was the nice ball feel and flex combined with good stability. Big sweetspot and a consistent stringbed, a very easy stick to rally with. I added about 6g of lead to the hoop and it played even better. Control and power was spot on. Easy access to spin. Overall the racuqet feels almost like a smaller POG OS lite. Cons: not a fan of the paint job. By the time the stick is leaded to 320 sw and a leather grip, it's over 12 oz already.
Glad to see that you enjoyed it. one of my regular hitting partners switched to this from the x10-325 (previously hit with BB London) and there is a noticeable increase in the heaviness of his serves and FH shots.
Right now I just received some BC20s that I've always wanted to try and I'm enjoying hitting with the YTPP, but I'm confident that the 400T is where I want to be to win more matches.
I really like hitting with this racket. Reminds me of an easy to use 6.1. Has this unique 70% stiff/solid 30% cheap/hollow feel that is just dirty. I loved how you can hit flat with it. It looks clubby and super un-aerodynamic, and the PJ messes with your head if you think about it too much. But I think it's a winner.
So I'm finally committing to the 400T. For the last few months, I've been going between the VOMAX325, VOMAX320, YTPP, and recently bought 2 BC20. My favorite hit is the YTPP, but it is too demanding and doesn't benefit my game. Why the 400T:
I win more matches.
I win more matches.
I win more matches.
It's somewhat forgiving when I'm late.
My friend bought a 400T and his 1st serves are now unreturnable. His groundstrokes are crazy heavy. He wins more matches.
I hold more service games.
I get less tired as I can hit at 70% and keep balls deep.
I win more matches.
The true test - winning more matches.
I like the hard-headed way you've gone about this search: limiting to certain similar specs, limiting the frames, limiting the amount or frequency of the mods, sticking with it, prepared to entertain alternatives - but rigidly coming back to totalling up the wins versus the losses. There is simply no better test.
I find it interesting in the one thing you mention is about lateness in shots.
Very often when we seek to go outside our comfort zone with new frames the first thing that is noticeable is simply not producing the shots we know we can produce. Therefore I very much agree that it's better to not look at the spectacular freak shots you might create with so-and-so a frame, but rather look at the UEs - they're the killers. Ironing them out in a match is the aim.
It's a necessary reversal of thinking about a frame - to work backwards from the court to the specs of success.
Love this summary. Sounds like just the antidote for my aggressive game and aging body as well. Thanks for the awesome review and all of the helpful follow-up information. I'll be getting one of these soon.
Has anyone tried this frame with a full bed of synthetic gut or multi at around mid-tension? I forgot to ask for mine unstrung, so it came with Wilson synthetic gut. Curious to know if anyone has tried this or a similar setup.
I added black electrical tape and lead tape plus an overgrip as per Ray's guidelines, but haven't had a chance to hit yet because I'm nursing a hip strain.
The demo I hit with from TW was strung with Dunlop silk 1.3 at mid +2 lbs. It hit very nicely when broken in. Comfortable, very good ball feedback, and good ball pocketing.
Thanks, I appreciate the feedback.
In comparing the Dunlop Bio 400 Tour to my Organic 8 315, the head size of the 400 Tour is noticeably smaller.
Haven't had a chance to play a match with it yet, but in hitting some volleys with my son, I noticed right away the the 400 Tour is more comfortable and maneuverable than the Organix 8 315.
Even with lead tape at 3 and 9, I wonder if the 400 Tour can match the power of the X8 315. Should be an interesting test.
Had a solid two-hour match with the Dunlop 400 Tour last night. About 10 grams of lead in the hoop centered at 3 and 9, plus an overgrip and the dampener that came with the frame. Poly @ 55 on a crank machine, which some tell me is more like 51ish compared to an electronic or drop weight machine.
Even with the lead, it is not as head heavy as the Organix 8 315, so it doesn't bring the same amount of power, in my experience. But it does offer good overall power from all areas of the court.
Plenty of juice for rally balls - I didn't have to work too hard to keep the ball deep.
I typically find that a dense string pattern and a frame with more mass in the hoop are necessary for penetrating slices, but the Dunlop 400 Tour was more than adequate in producing quality slices.
Kick and slice serves have good bite off the string bed and hop off the court.
But I did notice that on flat serves, even when struck as well as I can strike them, I couldn't generate the blistering pace that's more possible with frames that have more mass in the hoop.
I am thinking that I'll try replacing the Gecko-inspired replacement grip with a leather grip - maybe this will provide more mass for plow through on flat serves?
If that doesn't give me the pace that I am looking for on my first serve, I may try a second layer of lead tape at 3 and 9.
Overall, I enjoyed the test. I won my match against a quality player, but I can't say that I was blown away. Maybe a leather grip will change my mind.
Good to see that it's been a good hit for you. I'm really surprised about the 1st serve.
My 1st has never been better, but I am also working on it with a great pro this year.
Also, one of our league players has a pro-speed 1st serve and when he switched to the 400T his serves quickly became unreturnable.
I hope you work it out. BTW we both play with leather grips.
Hey, thanks. I should have noted that a chronic shoulder injury that I've been working at overcoming has depleted some of my shoulder action, so I've been relying more on racquet head mass than great shoulder action to generate pace on my first serve.
Have already applied the leather grip and looking forward to round two.
So I've done some tinkering and I've found a setup that is feeling really good.
In addition to the four six-inch strips of lead tape at 3 and 9, I've added two six-inch strips centered at 12, and six of these strips on the handle. I've replaced the gecko dunlop grip with a better synthetic grip from Golden Set, and I use one overgrip on top of this.
The frame still feels really maneuverable and it provides solid easy power from all areas of the court, plus more control than frames that are 16 by 18 offer.
Plus, it's a very comfortable frame - no jarring shocks to the arm at all, and no soreness even after a heavy hit.
I forgot my Dunlop 400 Tour the other day so ended up playing with my Organix 8 315. The X8 315 brings noticeably more power on all strokes - just can't beat that extra mass in the head. With that said, I find that the 400 Tour offers more touch and comfort, and with lead at 3, 9, and 12 and in the handle, it definitely provides enough easy power to suit me.
Would you still consider the 400T a tweener? IMO it is, but it offers me more control than any other tweener that I've tried. I've never been able to tame the power of the others, and often found them too stiff.
I'm not sure about the tweener classification, but I do feel that the 400T offers more control than the X8 315, PB V1, and the Prince O3 White, all frames that I have tried.
I would say that with extra mass in the head and grip, the 400T offers the same amount of control as the Youtek Prestige Pro, but with more easy power.
Serve is really dialed in now, good pace on first serves and nice hop on kickers.
Have two in my bag now.
I got one of these and have only hit with it once. So far it has been a pleasant surprise. Pretty powerful, comfortable and easy to swing. I have only used it in stock form with TF Blackcode mains 57 and TF NRG2 at 55 in the crosses. I have only played doubles so far.
Groundstrokes were easy. I was hittting the ball deep, consistently and with good spin. Crazy pace and pound high balls was fun. So, pretty pleased but I have not hit that many groundstrokes because it was doubles.
Serving was fairly comfortable and I was crushing the ball on flats. Slice serves were good and kickers sat up a bit, with not as much pace and directional control as I would have wanted. I paid for a few sitters.
Volleying was okay, I was not super confident. Half-volleys and pick-ups were terrible. I think I missed every pick-up, quite embarrassing. Lack of weight was very apparent for me here.
Serve returns were okay, but I lacked confidence. I dumped a few backhands into the net.
I will add weight for my next hit some time this next week. I also hope I am not forced to play doubles this time.
From my experience 400 Tour have sufficient torsional stability (don't need lead at 3&9), but higher hoop is dead and unstable. So lead at 12 worked best for me.
I've added another replacement grip on top of the gecko grip
put (4) 4inch lead starting at 9 and 3 and (2) 4inch lead at 12
This thing swings like a dream, no more shoulder pain after playing and yet very mobile.
I'd say i'm up to 12.6 oz and about 12pts headlight...
By the way, this replaced my 2012 babolat pure drive plus....
Glad to see that more are liking this stick. I used to continually try out new racquets but Im not even curious any more. comfort - power - control.
Just picked up 2 of these. With one overgrip and vibration dampener, frames are 12.1 oz and 9 points HL. This frame plays like a dream. The upper loop does not provide power to be sure.. but I tend to hit lower in the stringbed. Super easy to swing... easy to get into position off the ground and at the net. I think when I get a softer set-up this less at a lower tension. The string bed will open up. The ones I have are RPM 58/ Bab Hurr 60. Pretty stiff but with great spin and control. I know my regular setup will provide a softer and open stringbed. I love these frames. Hard to miss the court. Wonderful topspin and slice and I feel the frame is quite stable enough for my level. No one has pushed me around so far. Quite happy... Have not added lead.. I will go for that after I test my frames with my own setup. I am impressed and I love the PJ.....cool!!
Tried the 400 tour recently. I wasn't expecting much but the TW reviews were good so I figured it was worth a demo, and I am glad I tried it! I like a swingweight around 335, so I added a total of about 6 grams to 3,9, and 12, and I will probably add more on my next session. Great from the baseline, good topspin, big sweetspot, and I was able to get defensive shots back deep even when I was off balance and had to reach for the ball. This isn't a pinpoint accuracy type of racquet, but I felt like I could rally all day and hit big spin. Comfortable as well.
Worth a demo especially now that it's on sale ...
Though I moved on from this frame, I did it without good reason.
Haha, please explain what happened I am very intrigued, especially because you are playing with the newer version of the racket I'm currently using. I went from the normal 400 to the 300T as I wanted that bit more control and heft. Now I am scared to move away from the 18x20 string pattern as I find it far more controlled and I do not have a heavy topspin game that benefits from a more open string pattern. I have seriously considered picking up a 400T though. Please let me know why your using the F3.0T instead of the 400T.
I used a 4d 300 for quite a while, then a 4d500 to try to get some free power. Found it stiff and not enough control. Played with prestige mid for a while and others. Really enjoyed it but was too tiring, demanding and I was losing matches.
When the 400t came out it sounded right. As you can see from my review, I won many matches with it. Later the 3.0t arrived and sounded like a stiffer precision frame. I do prefer the feel and precision of it over the 400t but I won more with the 400t. One of my tennis buddies insisted on buying all my 400ts so they're gone.
In summer I switch and play only on clay and I'm actually using the volkl organix v1 mp this year. I'm back to winning more matches with the added Power spin and comfort.
In mid sept I switch to fast indoor courts and will most probably use the 3.0t, or the v1mp, but more 400ts are not out of the question? I do hit a more driving ball here and the 18x20 is nice.
And this as a result of tt.
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