My Hitting Partner And Me Rallying

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  1. tlm

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    You looking for advice or just want people to see you hit? Got any new video? I remember a long while back when you posted your 00186 vid and people tried to offer some advice.

    You just fought everyone tooth and nail about their advice and claimed everything you did worked just fine. Some new video would be great to see if you've progressed.
     
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    Dude you are worse than me and that is not good.

    On the forehand, you have taken the modern tennis thing too far, falling backwards with open stance to throw up slow and loopy balls at a high altitude. You are also muscling the ball instead of using weight transfer.

    On the backhand, you are slicing low balls way up over the net instead of keeping it low or hitting over the ball with TS.

    Not at all like how the pros are doing it. You should try to be a mini-me of the pros.
     
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    I have a few new videos i will post of playing a few points. Never claimed that everything worked fine, i went out and worked on some of the good advise i received.

    If you look back at those videos and read my responses i listened to many of the comments so you are way off on those remarks. I did try to explain some of the reasons i hit like i do but then some like you claimed that i was disagreeing.

    I did not start playing tennis until i was 46 years old, and i know i have some weird strokes. But i enjoy the game and i just keep on playing and trying to improve.
     
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    Well lets see some video of you then, i would love to play you and see how good you really are. What level you do you play? Or do you even play league tennis? I am talking singles here don't want to hear about any doubles play.

    Last year for the indoor season i played 3.5 first singles in 2 leagues, with one of the leagues the top singles players are 90% 4.0 players. My record was 22-1. In the summer i played in a outdoor league at the 4.0 level which was more like 3.5 and i went undefeated.

    So i went up in that league to the 4.5 level which i would consider a solid 4.0 for the rest of last year and finished 9-6.
     
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    The near guy hits a pretty sweet Lendl style forehand. I like it.

    Far guy needs to lean into shots more. Looks like you're always falling backwards and never driving through shots.
     
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    Ya my partner is a pretty good player, he has nice strokes.
     
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    I play singles for the most part. I play doubles when I have no choice.

    You posted a video. If you don't like any comments, why do you post it? I don't remember anyone asking you to post.

    Aren't you the guy who is always on the Oscar thread? Believe me, you don't play modern tennis like the pros at all. No pro muscles the ball with slow high loopy spin which will get killed by any decent player.

    And BTW, most 4.5 club players stink. The good ones are those who played in school or college. The ones who learned later have so many blatant faults in their technique that they are unwatchable.
     
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    Yes I agree with that. Your partner is good.
     
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    Good for you, but that doesn't make you a good player, which is what you seem to want to hear.
     
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    I never said anything like that, i know i am not a good player. But again where is some video of you hitting? What level do you play at? You seem to avoid that question for some reason.

    You say that most 4.5 club players stink, well my partner who you said that you thought was a good player is between a strong 4.0 and 4.5 player at our club.
     
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    His record makes him an above average club player. I don't know if you have some kind of external beef going on here but you are coming off a bit caustic, just so you know.

    OP: Nice video, you can get some more on that forehand if you focus on turning the whole body and then rotating out of the turn into the ball. Focus on your off arm becoming parallel to the baseline in your wind up. On the backhand, lock the wrist and keep the arm straight through contact, the camera should see your back turned to it in the prep.
     
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    No matter the ugly strokes, if OP can win at his level, good on him.

    He can sustain a rally, so i'm forced to automatically hand over a 3.5 badge. :D

    OP the should be playing opens for humilities sake.
     
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    I think you guys are being a little harsh. Maybe tlm has been a bit ornery in the past but everyone deserves a second chance. This thread started in a neutral tone, there's no need to make it ugly.

    Tlm, you have good spin and some decent power. Your game is kind of one dimensional, but at the 4.0 level you will do just fine. If you want to go further you'll need to work on footwork and movement, and you'll need to be effective in the front half of the court (transition game and net play). Smart players will force you into net with shots you can't attack easily, and then they'll pass you/lob you. Also, once you get to strong 4.5+ levels, your spin will not get you the free points it does now. You will need to drive through the forehand more, and develop a consistent topspin/flat backhand. I don't know about your serve/return -- of course they are really important. Make sure you have a solid second serve with placement and spin. Keep it up.
     
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    Thanks for the tips, you are right about the the off arm sometimes i do get it parallel to the baseline but other times it is all over the place.
     
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    So he is not one of the "most" players.

    People on this forum have played with me. But I don't take/post videos of myself or others. I don't like to take photos either unless I am forced to. I believe in keeping impressions in my head and living in the moment, which is why I don't like to take pictures when on vacation. People find it weird but to me the past is gone once it is gone.

    I model myself after the pros.
     
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    Thanks for the good advise, you are right about me being to one dimensional and when i go against the strong 4.5 players i do not have enough weapons.
     
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    Well i knew you would have an excuse of why there is no video of you. But again what level do you play at? You just can't seem to answer that simple question.

    Anyone can sit there hiding behind their keyboard, but at least i am not afraid to show myself on the court even though i know i am not very good. But you prefer to live in the moment, which really means living in a dream. Take some video of yourself on the court and then you could actually step into reality for once.
     
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    Thanks for the comments, i do play quite a few players that are solid 4.5 players. So believe me i take many beat downs but keep coming back for more.
     
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    You should focus on improving your forehand and backhand.
     
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  22. 5263

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    tlm, this post above is a very good one, but while you may not get the free points so easy at the higher levels, those Fh strokes will still get get you plenty of weaker returns up to almost the highest levels. Most will call it foot work, but it's really more of an early read and move to better position. You tend to let the ball play you a bit due to a late start.
    I don't know what folks expect of us older guys, since we tend to be a bit stiff due to age and an accumulation of injuries thru our years. Long flexible and fluid strokes on those who learned the game well while young, are very attractive; I agree. But the facts are that beauty does not equate superior. I imagine that you, just like me, have beaten quite a few players with more attractive strokes. Also I've had to come to grips with how my strokes built playing mostly doubles, are going to be more compact and not have that long fluid look of guys who play mostly singles. Probably don't need to pay too much attention to a 3.5 who tells you what YOU need to work on.
     
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    From your other thread video, all your serves on the ad court are FFs. So I don't think it is correct to say you won the matches - they won the matches.
     
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    I will agree with some posters. You look like you are falling backward almost every forehand you hit, and your backhand slice looks way to forced. Overall you use way to much arm and not enough legs.

    If I were you I would try to work on making your footwork A LOT better!!! You hardly ever move and just kind of get in the general vicinity of the where the ball is and try to hit a nadal forehand. The problem with this is that people dont realize that:

    1) He is a lot more muscular than every other tennis player and
    2) He actually hits through the ball and pulls up after contact, unlike what you do which is pull up during contact.

    So the things I would suggest doing are trying to position yourself a lot better and stepping into the ball. Also switch to a traditional form, buggywhip forehands are not something you should be using all the time (trust me your rotator cuff will thank you later) And as for your slice try to be more fluid dont muscle it. You make it float high which defeats the point of even hitting a slice
     
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    You are actually doing a huge disservice to him. While you may like his posts on the Oscar thread, as a coach you are ethics-bound to call it as it is.

    And he clearly said he is not into doubles.
     
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    I have to agree the fh and bh you flick up too much. You pull your body up and jerk on a lot of shots. Which is indicative of a lot of players who start later in life.
    But its certainly competitive with a lot of club players so its just my gripe about it.
     
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    Man you have been so much more reasonable lately, so what gives. Two or 3 posters have already commented about your caustic remarks here to tlm. Surely you don't see how obvious you are being here, so maybe asking you politely to ease up will be enough.
     
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    Sorry if he mentioned he was not into doubles, but I thought he mentioned having a partner. Either way, that is just part of it and I was mainly commenting that was my case.

    I truly believe many of you are way too concerned about if you think a stroke is pretty. tlm hits that Fh hard and it will be tough for many 4.5 and below to handle it well. He spins some hard and hits thru many as well.
    I don't like the way he throws the head of the racket on his slices. Bhs looked fine, and his serve is good for 4.0 if he makes them regularly.
    You know you can't beat him don't you? Ugly strokes to you or not.
     
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    That's a ridiculous statement to make. There are a lot of good players at this level, whether or not they've played high school or college tennis. When people reach 4.5, most are capable of hitting all strokes pretty well. They're strokes may not always like "pretty", but they are effective, which is all that matters.
     
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    There's really no need to get so defensive. You're never going to be improve that way. Suresh makes some valid points even if the way he puts might be less tactful than you would like. But sometimes the only way to improve is for someone to give you a really blunt reality check because from your video and subsequent posts, I'm not sure that you're really seeing where you are in terms of level.
     
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    Its not that ridiculous, its all a matter of perspective. I mean a lot of college players would take this view point, 4.5s don't present a challenge compared to what I have seen. If suresh was a D1 bound player in his eyes a 4.5 would suck, and he would technically not be wrong
     
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    I really like how you take your 1hbh on the rise.

    Your backswing on the fh is late, and you're rushing the shot. Get that racquet back and up as soon as your recognize which side is heading to.
     
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    Sorry, but IMO, passion4tennis is much more correct on this and I've coached several D1 players, before, during and after they played at college. My first 2 children both played D1 on scholarship.
    Not all 4.5s are great, but many are darned good.
     
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    I understand what you are saying but this guy is a jerk, sits there and talks smack but will not even answer the simple question of what level he plays at.

    I know exactly what level i am at because i play league tennis, i also know that i am not very good. But that does not stop me from enjoying the game and trying to improve.

    Like i said i did not start playing tennis until i was 46 years old so i missed out on learning during my younger years when it would have been a lot easier.
     
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    Well, let's take it from the perspective of TT posters. I think it's safe to say that the majority of them are below 4.5(me included). So, if they witnessed two legit 4.5 guys/women playing a match, I think they would show some appreciation for that level of play.

    I suppose there are some elitists on here that only appreciate D1, D2 and pro level matches, but thankfully, I'm not one of them. I've seen a number of skilled players battling it out at the local clubs and parks over the years.
     
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    Thanks 5263, your right my backhand slice is really a weird shot the way i throw the head of the racket out in front. But believe it or not i can hit that goofy shot very consistently, but i am trying to learn the 2 hander now and am starting to get the hang of it but it will take some time. I know i need to get away from that slice.

    As weird as my forehand looks you are right about it giving even some 4.5 level players some trouble. My opponents keep the ball away from my forehand as much as possible. I know that i am not a very good player and i still believe that i can improve but like you mentioned it is a tough game if you never played in your youth.

    I think you are right about sureshs to i would love to play him in a match, then see how big his mouth would be. He can't even answer what level he plays at and of course he won't show any video of his perfect strokes.

    A lot of people gave me some good advise here and i will definitely try to use it. But at least i am brave enough to show my ugly strokes and admit what level i play at, instead of hiding behind a keyboard.
     
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    Exactly right i would bet good money the majority of posters here are 3.5 or below. The better 4.5 players that play in the indoor league at my club are very good players.

    A few years ago there was not enough 5.0 players for the league so they dropped that division so now the 4.5 has plenty of actual 5.0 players in it. Which some of them did play div. 1 in college, so for some hack like sureshs to say that 4.5 players are not any good is a joke.
     
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    tlm, I like your game. Your forehand looks similar to mine at times. Like some others have said, just keep working on your footwork. Try to incorporate a good split-step, and work on your conditioning.
     
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    Thanks your right about the footwork or should i say lack of. Its funny you don't realize how bad you look until you film yourself. I had no idea that i was being that lazy with the lack of movement.

    I am definitely going to make split stepping and keeping active on my feet the first priority. My backhand definitely needs work that is why i have been developing a 2 hander which is getting there but still needs some time.

    I know my forehand is strange but it is by far my most effective and consistent shot, again i had no idea it looked that strange until i saw it on film. I think everyone that is trying to improve should tape themselves once in a while because you have no idea what you really look like on the court until you see it.
     
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    One simple tip to look better and it also actually helps,
    is to get both hands on the racket between shots.
    Right now you sort of just hold it low in your one hand,
    which does not look as sharp; mainly cause it's not.
    Give it a try and vid that. See if your overall look is not
    much improved, along with overall racket control for prep
    and takeback on both sides.
     
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    Good advise, these videos are from at least a year ago and when i watched them a couple of weeks ago i noticed the 1 hand holding the racket instead of grabbing it with 2.

    Since i am working on developing a 2 handed backhand i have started holding it with 2 hands to aid in prepping, but like any change it will take some time.

    Again it is just one of the many things i have noticed from filming myself on the court, funny how much you have no idea on how bad you look until you see it yourself.
     
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    Two hands on the stick will help your Fh prep too, but it is more subtle.
    Still very important though.
    We all look bad to ourselves on vid, so not as bad as you think.
    Some who say it's ugly might look worse on vid, or even look
    better with less results though. I like results.
    Many say Nadal's us ugly too.
    If we were at a match and that Fh was giving the opponents tons
    of trouble, the comment would be more like, " that Fh is a little
    stiff but very effective."
     
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    Vid some of those Fhs going to the Smart Targets and
    post the vid on that thread soon.
     
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    Good points like you say results are what counts not style. The vids i showed playing some points against my friend i know i don't look very good but he is definitely a lot better player than i am. He beats me pretty easily but once in a while i get a set off him and even beat him once in a great while, but he is at least a half level above me.

    When playing a lesser player i have more time and i do drive through the forehand more and flatten out my shots. But this guy is usually dictating the points and i am rushed so i am just trying to hang in the points.

    Thats the thing i notice most playing different level players is the importance of having time. When i play people at my level with most of them i am not rushed very often and i have time to set up a point and play more aggressive. But when i play the better guys it seems like i am always rushed and that i rarely take time away from them.
     
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    noone has mentioned this yet but you should keep both hands on the racquet while you move around the court. having both arms dangling down like that is not good for balance, slows you down and makes good prep more difficult.

    edit: sorry. looks like someone has already mentioned this
     
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    a 4.5 isnt even a college level player. So I mean to me I would not be impressed. And I know to all this is not a fair view, however I am saying Suresh might not be wrong. Skill is relative to the person who is stating an opinion. I mean in Federer's opinion someone who has consistently been 500 might suck, but to most they would be very good. You can't tell someone they are wrong or right based on their opinion. Its all what they have experienced
     
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    Come again? How about DIII and community colleges, or don't they count? You don't think there are plenty of 4.5s that play on them?
    I'm pretty certain that Sureshs is a middle-aged player, and he claims his game isn't all that good. I don't think he's a 4.5, so to him most people of that caliber should look good. And you do realize that there are former DI-DIII players that currently play at 4.5 level. Do they suck?
     
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    At the time of that video about 8 years.
     
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    I know of some guys that played div.1 college tennis that are now playing 4.5 team tennis.
     
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