My Kingdom for Sharp Bevels

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  1. Champs990411

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    For those that love/need sharp bevels, how do you do it? Any tips? Tricks? Particular grips?

    The only time I was really satisfied with my bevels was when I used no grip but rather 3-4 heat sleeves instead. I just put the Tourna on top. (I was ignorant of the influence on the weight and wouldn't try that method today.)

    Similar question that I didn't see referenced when I searched: What is going on with Sam Groth's grips on his bag check? Anyone know who did those? Or know someone who performs a similar service?


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  2. 2nd Serve Ace

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    Thin leather grip doesn't work for you?

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  3. Ronaldo

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    Watched a player use no grip at all, bare pallet.
     
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  4. kramer woodie

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    Use a Kimony Techni leather grip. This grip is the thinnest sold to my understanding, .09mm thick, and also very light 13-14 grams dependent on
    how much double backed tape you use. It will reduce your grip size by one size (for example a 4-1/2 inch pallet will become 4-3/8 inch) and when
    you add an over grip the grip will be a true 4-1/2 or 4-7/16 inch. Bevels will be very sharp with say a Yonex Supergrap OG. Feel will give great
    feedback on strokes if you can handle less cushion. Please note, a Kimony Techni leather is only 109cm long and will not be long enough to
    wrap any pallet above 4-1/2 inches

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    I'll look into them. And I'll add 10g I guess.

    Tried the leather bare yesterday with a big old wristband to see if I had grip. Was good for about an hour then I lost a little confidence in it. But maybe I wore down the grip and sharpened up the bevels a little...


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  6. kramer woodie

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    Yes, leather will crush down in thickness with play. However, should last quite a while before you would feel any noticeable difference, unless
    your really using an extremely tight grip. In the 1960s we used gauze tape over the leather for better grip on hot humid summer days. Plus, a
    wrist band was a definite requirement to keep moisture off the leather as leather get really slippery when wet. Just an after thought...using
    gauze tape made the grip really and I mean really Rough...toughened up the hand quick, otherwise major blister problems with soft hands...wood
    racquets in those day weighed 14 to 16 ounces.

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    I'm using Babolat Skin Feel w/ a Gamma RZR React OG. It has very good bevels, but not the sharpest. It's a lot more comfortable than the alternatives though.
     
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    It's been a solid month now that I have just been putting an overgrip (usually tourna or head agassi) over the bare pallet (4 1/4). I compensate for the lost weight. Love the feel of the bevels and also the extremely small grip. It helps to use an already heavy stock racket so that there's not much weight to put back into the racket.

    Can't see myself going back to base grips/leather unless downsizing to 4 1/8.
     
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    I tried leather one more time by going with the thin TWs and wrapping as tightly as I could. Still not what I was looking for.

    Will try the bare pallet...kind of.

    I need some of the size, so I'll try just a heat sleeve then an OG on the sleeve.

    Question: how much weight am I losing going from a leather to just a heat sleeve? And what is the best placement positions/strategy for lead on the handle when I do apply it?


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    having put on several heat sleaves, you will lose that sharp bevel to some degree, especially with the thicker ones (which i'd think you'll need). I'd still think that a sleeve and an OG would provide a sharper feel than leather, although leather has many merits IMO.
     
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    Might be more crafty than many would be comfortable with, but a very thin layer of plastic card superglued to the bare pallet with mitered edges to give you that perfect sharp bevel edge plus a thin overgrip sounds like the ticket.
     
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  12. ToastyTilapia

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    On my heads I wrap two grey black tourna tac overgrips with no overlap (I got a 10 pack on sale for $4 a while ago and hated the feel, waaaaay too tacky for me) and a tourna grip xxl over that. Great bevel feel
     
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  13. Champs990411

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    One sleeve was too little. I just put a second on a few hours ago. I'll need to weigh it tomorrow at school on the triple beam. Think I'm between 12.6 and 12.8 ounces and 10.5 pts HL. (IG Prestige MP) I'm playing tomorrow. We'll see.

    Might need to try one sleeve, two TournaTacs, plus the Tourna XL as suggested if this one doesn't work. Thx for the advice.


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    Couldn't get around on the ball. Looks like it's one sleeve and either one or two overgrips and then the tourna.


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    I'm with bkfinch, I use only an overgrip on the bare handle. It is definitely a firm feel that some may not like, but I like the bevels too. I also never use string dampeners either, so I guess I'm a minimalist of sorts. Note: I do use a full bed of strings tho.
     
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  16. Champs990411

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    Heat sleeve, one Tac, one Tourna XL kind of tight and we're in business. 345.4 g.


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    Thinner leather grip, pull it REALLY tight when you install it and minimal overlap should get you pretty distinct feeling bevels.
     
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    That was my most recent move. I put some Bab leathers in the microwave for 30 seconds, nailed them to the butt, and just pulled the heck out of them. Didn't quite get there. I guess I should have tried TW and left a little more gap. Maybe 45 secs nuking, too.


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    Depending on how you pull the grip you may be rounding the corners. When you pull, especially synthetic replacement grips, they loose thickness on the corner which increases rounding. I would guess the same happens to some degree with leather, it thins and rounds on the corner and retains thickness on the flats.

    I really like the tw 1.3mm leather but also play some of my head frames with a size up pallet and double OG.
     
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  21. Champs990411

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    Great point. I pulled with some major force and it seemingly became even rounder. Had no choice but to scrap.

    I think I'm going to be heat sleeve and two OGs for good. It's the best I've done. Thanks for all the help everyone.


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  22. moon shot

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    Your Head Prestige has a removable handle that can be swapped for different sizes and shapes. They are called pallets and available from Europe on fleabay. The 'standard' shape for your frame is TK82 and there is another shape which is less rectangular with the code TK82S. It takes some work I would rather swap pallets than do a head shrink sleeve unless you want the weight.

    I normally play with a grip that measures 4-1/2 or bigger. For a while with Wilson frames I felt like I wasn't finding the bevels well, I ended up going with thick TW leather and Yonex Supergrap. My 4-1/2 grip ended up measuring 4-3/4 but I felt better about how it felt.

    I'm now playing mostly with the TK82 rectangular shape on a few different frames and right away the bevels felt more obvious. I think it was due to the shape which is what I grew up playing with. If your previous frames were Wilson for instance you may want to try a TK82S pallet. I have a few that are L5 pallets with two overgrips and a few L4 with TW 1.3mm leather and one overgrip. With both I can settle into the grip I want easier than my Wilson.
     
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  23. ToastyTilapia

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    You can also order them from Tennis Warehouse Europe and a few other places.
     
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