My ohbh power potential is like 10x my forehand power potential
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Grafil Injection
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I'm similar to the OP and I believe it's because I'm not fully LHed, which is what I play tennis with.
I write, play snooker, badminton and tennis LH; but I throw, play golf and cricket RH. Hence my LH is precise but weak, and my RH is powerful but not accurate. So I don't get much natural body power into my LH FH, but I easily get rotation power into my LH OHBH because it's like hitting a golf shot, or a drive in cricket. Bizarrely, I can throw RH perfectly coordinated and powerfully, but I cannot coordinate the serve at all RH. And I can serve nicely LHed, but I can't throw at all LHed. Something didn't join up properly in my brain.
I write, play snooker, badminton and tennis LH; but I throw, play golf and cricket RH. Hence my LH is precise but weak, and my RH is powerful but not accurate. So I don't get much natural body power into my LH FH, but I easily get rotation power into my LH OHBH because it's like hitting a golf shot, or a drive in cricket. Bizarrely, I can throw RH perfectly coordinated and powerfully, but I cannot coordinate the serve at all RH. And I can serve nicely LHed, but I can't throw at all LHed. Something didn't join up properly in my brain.
Curious
G.O.A.T.
I was serious. Arming means less moving parts, a more steady head which will only help a rec player. Add to this the overratedness of power up to 4.5 level above which a rec player is very unlikely to reach.
Anni.Angel
Semi-Pro
Your problem is your forehand is really bad. Even in pro players who hit backhand better than forehand, it always means their forehand is crap.
You need to fix your forehand.
johnmccabe
Hall of Fame
Where is the video?
Curious
G.O.A.T.
Mystery solved!
Dragy
Legend
You need to either use quite powerful racquet (high SW) like Djokovic or Khachanov and smoothly smack the ball.
Or slap the ball all-in like Kyrgios.
When you brush the ball with 300g racquet using W grip, you are not likely to get much power.
Mxnh
Rookie
Wdym
i don't have a 1hhb... but if someone asks me to fence the ball, say 4 courts down... i always go further winding up with my 1hbh (conti grip), than i do with my fh.
similarly i can throw a frisbee/aerobie further with a "bh" throw, than with a "fh" throw
guessing there is a correlation there
similarly i can throw a frisbee/aerobie further with a "bh" throw, than with a "fh" throw
guessing there is a correlation there
There might be a correlation. I can assure you there is no causation.
Dragy
Legend
When players rage-launch balls over the stands, do they use BH technique?
Mxnh
Rookie
Oh I assure you 50-60%of them go in only about 5-6 full backhand drives of mine in matches even hit the fence before the bounfe
Jono123
Professional
I'm looking forward to seeing you post them in a video.
ballmachineguy
Hall of Fame
No, but they don’t use forehand technique either.
Chas Tennis
G.O.A.T.
That is 69 posts....
...............what is the OP's forehand or backhand technique?
Does he bend his elbow on the forehand or backhand when turning or swinging forward? That usually is associated with the grip.
Why discuss techniques with no information?
...............what is the OP's forehand or backhand technique?
Does he bend his elbow on the forehand or backhand when turning or swinging forward? That usually is associated with the grip.
Why discuss techniques with no information?
SystemicAnomaly
Bionic Poster
@Dragy
Overhand throwing mechanics are quite a bit different from forehand stroke mechanics. Different muscle recruitment.
Note that a majority of ppl are much at throwing a Frisbee with a backhand motion than a forehand motion.
Well then stop doing it.
Curious
G.O.A.T.
Cocked wrist all the way from start to finish to prevent flicking. Am working on it.
Don't the pros flick?
Curious
G.O.A.T.
A quick supination, external shoulder rotation rather as I understand it. So it’s not the wrist joint, it’s the forearm/arm. Flicking of the wrist sort of implies actual wrist motions like flexion, extension, radial/ulnar deviation.
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Well you can check out slo mo video.
Curious
G.O.A.T.
Dragy
Legend
Yet Olympic discus throwers don’t use “frisbee” techniques, do they?
The issue with FH throw for frisbee is not lack of power but unnatural alignment. Frisbee should be staying horizontally stable to float further.
@ballmachineguy sure it’s not FH drive technique. But in the grand scheme of things it’s much more similar: throwing, serving, slapping the ball; than it is with the BH alternative.
There are players who apply a very throw-like technique to their FHs, and those who are farther away.
Totally correct.
Frisbee (usually backhand-like thrown) flight relies on the gyroscopic effect to maintain tilt and cut the air. To achieve this, there is a lot of wrist and elbow involvement which does not exist in 1hbh, plus no need for low-to-high action similar to the needs for topspin, as it is highly advisable to keep it in a plane.
The olympic disc (usually forehand-like thrown) is at least 3x as heavy as a racquet, and the distance it reaches depends on the momentum that the athlete is able to provide to it but also on the gyroscopic stability. Such momentum is obtained through whole body rotation with the final release done on the pivot of the contrary side leg, in order to achieve the largest linear velocity.
Both could be thrown the other way around. Actually, the frisbee is done so (forehand motion), and it's acknowledged to be tougher to get the gyroscopic stability, which has a larger impact than pure acceleration. As it regards the oplympic disc, my guess is that it is not thrown backhand also due to alignment issues with the hand and worse stability associated to "backwards" rotation.
In any case, disc throwing has always been a futile comparison for tennis strokes.
Actually, getting 75 mph backhand without injury even if it hits the fence is an incredible achievement. It's far superior than 30mph bh which falls short of the service line. We could easily work on adding spin to get the ball closer to BL once we crack 75 mph without injuring ourselves.
Your frustration on the lack of complete information is understandable. We are talking about recreational 3.5 bh here, not much of shoulder separation, kinetic chain, leg, hip, core etc.
The most relevant question is whether OP can hit his shots without injuring himself over the course of couple of months.
BBender716
Professional
Nah. Apparently the match he was planning on showcasing had an opponent who didn't give him any sitters to smash to oblivion with his OHBH.
Chas Tennis
G.O.A.T.
After all these years, threads and posts -
Please describe or show a video of recreational 3.5 bh techniques.
My approach is to do exactly that for ATP and WTA players for their techniques. Many others are doing exactly the same. There is a huge and coherent body of knowledge on pro tennis stroke biomechanics.
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What techniques are being used for 3.5 1HBHs that allow less injuries? Tennis Elbow (TE) seems prevalent in lower level tennis but not so for ATP players. ? D. Knudson has commented on the prevalence TE among amateurs but not pros. Not saying that all pro techniques are safe, but saying that many 3.5 techniques are not known and often questionable regarding safety.
3.5 techniques are completely unknown and completely undescribed based on the information that is being presented. Forum comments by posters alone don't seem creditable unless these views are also seen in other creditable sources. Got anything?
Example of ATP techniques
Forum Search: Internal Shoulder Rotation Tennis Serve
Member: Chas Tennis
3.5 Rec Serving Techniques?
Please present a single video or word description.
Waiter's Tray serving technique is prevalent among 3.5 players. How easy is it to find and present a word description or video describing the Waiter's Tray? What's being taught about WT? Recognize when you are in a Tennis Technique Nuthouse.
There are some long threads but 3.5 stroke information does not survive and become presented as far as I have seen. Got anything?
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After all these years, threads and posts -
Please describe or show a video of recreational 3.5 bh techniques.
My approach is to do exactly that for ATP and WTA players for their techniques. Many others are doing exactly the same. There is a huge and coherent body of knowledge on pro tennis stroke biomechanics.
One Hand Backhand - Waht Force to Start Forward Swing?
One Hand Backhand - What Force to Start Forward Swing? I have just been watching great one-hand backhands at the Madrid Open. Including excellent slow motion that can be replayed in even slower motion or single frame with my DVR. Often when I try to swing forward for a one hand backhand...
What techniques are being used for 3.5 1HBHs that allow less injuries? Tennis Elbow (TE) seems prevalent in lower level tennis but not so for ATP players. ? D. Knudson has commented on the prevalence TE among amateurs but not pros. Not saying that all pro techniques are safe, but saying that many 3.5 techniques are not known and often questionable regarding safety.
3.5 techniques are completely unknown and completely undescribed based on the information that is being presented. Forum comments by posters alone don't seem creditable unless these views are also seen in other creditable sources. Got anything?
Example of ATP techniques
Forum Search: Internal Shoulder Rotation Tennis Serve
Member: Chas Tennis
3.5 Rec Serving Techniques?
Please present a single video or word description.
Waiter's Tray serving technique is prevalent among 3.5 players. How easy is it to find and present a word description or video describing the Waiter's Tray? What's being taught about WT? Recognize when you are in a Tennis Technique Nuthouse.
There are some long threads but 3.5 stroke information does not survive and become presented as far as I have seen. Got anything?
I guess it all comes down to two crossed categories efficient/non-efficient technique and safe/unsafe technique. Rec. technique and ATP/WTA technique is pure nonsense.
One thing is clear. To reach ATP/WTA/ITF level, one needs a technique that is safe to the body and efficient. Recreational players can use unsafe techniques only if they don't play much, and with regards of efficiency, I guess depends on the player level.
My 0.02 is that pro players do not hit how they hit because they are excellent athletes, but because it's the most efficient and the safest way for them to achieve their goals in high-level tennis. I'd like to know if someone believes that they do technical stuff that is unsafe for the recreational player, why it would be so.
After all these years, threads and posts -
Please describe or show a video of recreational 3.5 bh techniques.
My approach is to do exactly that for ATP and WTA players for their techniques. Many others are doing exactly the same. There is a huge and coherent body of knowledge on pro tennis stroke biomechanics.
One Hand Backhand - Waht Force to Start Forward Swing?
One Hand Backhand - What Force to Start Forward Swing? I have just been watching great one-hand backhands at the Madrid Open. Including excellent slow motion that can be replayed in even slower motion or single frame with my DVR. Often when I try to swing forward for a one hand backhand...
What techniques are being used for 3.5 1HBHs that allow less injuries? Tennis Elbow (TE) seems prevalent in lower level tennis but not so for ATP players. ? D. Knudson has commented on the prevalence TE among amateurs but not pros. Not saying that all pro techniques are safe, but saying that many 3.5 techniques are not known and often questionable regarding safety.
3.5 techniques are completely unknown and completely undescribed based on the information that is being presented. Forum comments by posters alone don't seem creditable unless these views are also seen in other creditable sources. Got anything?
Example of ATP techniques
Forum Search: Internal Shoulder Rotation Tennis Serve
Member: Chas Tennis
3.5 Rec Serving Techniques?
Please present a single video or word description.
Waiter's Tray serving technique is prevalent among 3.5 players. How easy is it to find and present a word description or video describing the Waiter's Tray? What's being taught about WT? Recognize when you are in a Tennis Technique Nuthouse.
There are some long threads but 3.5 stroke information does not survive and become presented as far as I have seen. Got anything?
The variations are just too many to come up with a representational 3.5 technique.
You seem to complain about how there are so many videos on ATP technique but not any on 3.5 technique on a regular basis.
There's no market for "learn how to hit with 3.5 technique". Similarly, you will find many books on "How to ace your <XZY> exam/test". Do you ever find a book on "How to get a D or F in <something>"?
Why is it so hard to understand? Isn't it very obvious? Nobody needs analysis or coaching to hit with 3.5 technique. It's like breathing - the birth is the ticket for 3.5 technique.
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FuzzyYellowBalls
Legend
I'll post some 3.5 backhand technique videos here eventually and you can all trash me and/or help me improve. However none of my strokes have 10X power potential of any other particular stroke of mine even if I use my off hand.
10x is a piece of cake. Miss every forehand to go behind you, now every backhand you hit is infinitely more powerful.
FuzzyYellowBalls
Legend
Well, yes, haha, but that's not really a goal worth spending my time on.
naturalexponent
Legend
10x0=0
Chas Tennis
G.O.A.T.
I was just pointing out that no one can describe in words or videos what the 3.5 level stroke techniques are. How are these techniques communicated? No videos? No written words? It's like an ancient civilization that never discovered writing.
A poster posted 3.5 ish serving video that displayed serve techniques made up of combinations of a few sub-motions. I have posted that video somewhere. You saw Waiter's Tray and some other techniques with sub-motions. Maybe there were some pro sub-motions. DIY sub-motions..........sub-motions with minimized ranges of motion vs pro sub-motions.
Shroud
Talk Tennis Guru
one day I thought about what would take my bh to the next level...went out and hit it and yes it was vicious. But sadly my elderly shoulder would explode at the forces I was exerting. I would need to really strengthen it to hit the way I wanted. That said I think I can/ do hit 75mph...
It's not that nobody can describe what 3.5 level techniques are - the cost of doing it is not worth the effort. An underdeveloped technique is caused by absence of several elements, by varying degree, that make up an advanced level stroke.
Overall the combination is huge : 1 missing one ore more requirements of an advanced stroke 2 the absence is on a spectrum, it's not binary.
It's a common sense choice to describe an advanced level technique than provide details of innumerable variations of underdeveloped technique.
The 3.5 might be actually good technique-wise but still lacking of consistency due to bad timing and match results due to that or making very poor tactical decisions.
SystemicAnomaly
Bionic Poster
Infinite is a tad more than 10x
It can't be less?
