My opinion on 2009 Australian Final between Federer and Nadal

Don't listen to him, he's just p1ssed off so he throws a low blow insult to Nadal in return. Fed would half to be half dimensional if Nadal is better. It's like in that Dr.Dre/Snoop Dogg song 'Fcuk Wit Dre Day'. "When you diss Dre you diss yourself." You diss Nadal, you're only dissing Fed.

Of course you don't want to listen to me, what is your objective here, to start some insulting craps so this thread get to be deleted, just like the last one. :evil:

The fact you are here, means I have valid points, you are afraid that I expose too of Nadal's weakness. :wink::)
 
The OP did a pretty good job, but...

Phil Jackson a genius? I guess if only coaching teams with great players makes you a genius, he is. The janitor at the United Center could have coached the Bulls to 6 titles. And one of the Laker Girls could have gotten 3 with Shaq and Kobe. Uncle Toni clearly is a genius - creating a champion on your own in a small town - brilliant.

You correctly noted Rafa's return of serve strategy and how to counter it. But you missed the obvious - Fed refused to move out into the doubles alley in the ad court so he could get a better swing at Rafa's slice serve. I don't think Rafa hit one up the middle until the 4th set. And only hit 3 the whole match. And the same in the deuce court - Fed should have shifted to the left when the toss went up and gone for more on the return. And he might want to stand back a little further and move in - a la Murray. Standing close isn't going to intimidate Rafa - this isn't the WTA tour.

And the match did go 4hrs 23 min - so it's not like Fed played 'wham, bam' tennis. He kept Rafa out there - didn't help. And I'm not sure protracted rallies is the answer. Sort of reminds me of Boris Becker at RG - he wanted to prove he could hang with the clay courters and bash from the baseline - and never won the title. I'd rather see Fed hit deep down the line (not crosscourt to where Rafa is standing) approaches and take his chances. If Rafa can pass him, too good. Staying back is a good way to make sure he never beats Rafa again.


Okay, perhaps Phi Jackson might be the overhyped genius, it was just a trick to mislead/confuse *******s here, I didn't want to give Toni too much credit, so he was compared to Phil, unless I want to trick to him to be overconfident. But "The janitor at the United Center could have coached the Bulls to 6 titles" was a real insult to Phil. Shouldn't you be concernd if you hang out in El Segundo since Lakers' training facility is in El Selgundo.

I didn't miss the obvious, how Federer is supposed to return Nadal's serve is covered in more is coming, like I said, I only discussed the beginning of the match so far. I'll focus more on the mental/surprise factor of how to return Nadal's serve. I never suggested that Federer to play into Nadal protracted clay court game. I meant to move Nadal around the court; make him expend more energy by running side to side, take out his legs, he has more distance to cover; don't give Nadal any easy point by being unnecessarily too aggressive by going for winner all the time and make too many unforced errors in the process; be patient, but do be opportunitic when the chances are there.
 
No you said don't over or under estimate the OPPONENT. What I'm getting at is that your tactics will never be good for Fed because you refuse to believe Nadal is on the same level as Fed talent wise.



Did you watch the AO. Nadal has show just as much variety with the FH as Fed if not more so. Flat Power (108mh forehand) Sick short angles, amazing whipping passing shots, and ofcourse his patent loopy topspin FH. The guy has 3 totally different swings with his FH.

The backhand also 3 variations. The slice the flat CC or DTL and the loopy topspin.

And saying nadal has nothing to hurt Fed with is pure LOL.


So "don't over or under estimate the OPPONENT" doesn't cover underestimate Nadal, where did you take your logic class in high school, my Successor To Tennis or Uncle Toni? :confused:

Why don't you go chime in (or just read) those threads discussed how Nadal's natural talents are never as good as Federer's? It is overwhelmingly in Federer's favor here in that category. :)

You called those the variety, they are just the normal shots. You just wanted me to reveal Federer's secret by inciting to that discussion, didn't you? :wink:

If starts from a neutral position in the rally and going side to side that each player has to dance around to get to ball each time and the ball is not landed short in the service line or weak, there is really nothing Nadal can do to hurt Federer because Nadal can never get the his feet set to able to pound the ball to make Federer defensive. Shot by shot, Nadal spends more energy with that exaggerated wing of his and has more court to cover given that he stays that far behind the baseline. Go back and watch those rallies that Federer got Nadal out of position on court, and Federer's easy put aways. It is purely mathematic and the law of the physics. :)
 
The genius of Toni is to have you believe that you can not win this type of point; and trust me, Nadal does not want you to play this way with him all match even on clay, Nadal just want you to give up easily. Verdasco revealed it already:

"If starts from a neutral position in the rally and going side to side that each player has to dance around to get to ball each time and the ball is not landed short in the service line or weak, there is really nothing Nadal can do to hurt Federer because Nadal can never get the his feet set to able to pound the ball to make Federer defensive. Shot by shot, Nadal spends more energy with that exaggerated wing of his and has more court to cover given that he stays that far behind the baseline."
 
Verdasco revealed it already:

"If starts from a neutral position in the rally and going side to side that each player has to dance around to get to ball each time and the ball is not landed short in the service line or weak, there is really nothing Nadal can do to hurt Federer because Nadal can never get the his feet set to able to pound the ball to make Federer defensive. Shot by shot, Nadal spends more energy with that exaggerated wing of his and has more court to cover given that he stays that far behind the baseline."

Are you saying you're quoting Nando Verdasco here? Where is the interview/source where he's quoted saying this?
 
Plus Olympic Gold on a hard court

What this Nadal was able to achieve on winning this year’s AO and last year’s Wimbledon is nothing short of how Francisco and few hundred Conquistadors conquered the Inca Empire of few million people, if you compare Federer’s natural talents and tennis abilities with the one dimensional Nadal... blah, blah, blah

You lost me with the first sentence...sorry.

Exactly my thought!

One-dimensional? He has a GS win on every surface, was ranked two for ages and is now number 1. Going into 2009, it looks like he'll take at least 3 GS tournaments.

How does this one-dimensional player beat everyone else? If he is in fact one-dimensional as you claim... perhaps that's the key to ATP tennis success.

Plus winning an Olympic Gold on a hard court.

That's quite the one-dimensional player! :)
 
The genius of Toni is to have you believe that you can not win this type of point; and trust me, Nadal does not want you to play this way with him all match even on clay, Nadal just want you to give up easily. Verdasco revealed it already:

"If starts from a neutral position in the rally and going side to side that each player has to dance around to get to ball each time and the ball is not landed short in the service line or weak, there is really nothing Nadal can do to hurt Federer because Nadal can never get the his feet set to able to pound the ball to make Federer defensive. Shot by shot, Nadal spends more energy with that exaggerated wing of his and has more court to cover given that he stays that far behind the baseline."

This is nonsense! The topspin Nadal generates on both sides allows him to create a much wider shot angle. Nadal has more power and when he hits deep, it pushes the opponent farther behind the baseline. And Nadal is a faster mover than Federer. Federer does hit a better flat shot, which is more accurate but less consistent. The reason Federer starts losing to Nadal is he loses his edge in baseline rally since Nadal has improved so much, especially on his backhand side. Now, you want to get the serve and return out of the equation and say Federer will beat Nadal in pure baseline rally, which is totally nonsense.
 
This is nonsense! The topspin Nadal generates on both sides allows him to create a much wider shot angle. Nadal has more power and when he hits deep, it pushes the opponent farther behind the baseline. And Nadal is a faster mover than Federer. Federer does hit a better flat shot, which is more accurate but less consistent. The reason Federer starts losing to Nadal is he loses his edge in baseline rally since Nadal has improved so much, especially on his backhand side. Now, you want to get the serve and return out of the equation and say Federer will beat Nadal in pure baseline rally, which is totally nonsense.


Another nonsense ******* likes to read thing out of context. :twisted: And "Nadal is a faster mover than Federer" is just laughable. :lol: And where do you get the part in bold? Go back and read the whole thread from the beginning before you chime in next time.
 
Are you saying you're quoting Nando Verdasco here? Where is the interview/source where he's quoted saying this?


Do you believe it if I told you that I am Verdasco? I never like Nadal even though I am a Spanish; I never hang out with him like Moya and Lopez do because his game is too boring in my opinion. :)
 
Agassi was able to win the career GS, he game is still considered one dimensional by many. :wink:

Perhaps by many ignorant dumb people. Have you no clue the adjustments a player has to make between grass, class and hard courts?

A one-dimensional player can play well on one surface only by hitting the same type of winner time after time.
 
Another nonsense ******* likes to read thing out of context. :twisted: And "Nadal is a faster mover than Federer" is just laughable. :lol: And where do you get the part in bold? Go back and read the whole thread from the beginning before you chime in next time.
Originally Posted by Lendl and Federer Fan
The genius of Toni is to have you believe that you can not win this type of point; and trust me, Nadal does not want you to play this way with him all match even on clay, Nadal just want you to give up easily. Verdasco revealed it already:

"If starts from a neutral position in the rally and going side to side that each player has to dance around to get to ball each time and the ball is not landed short in the service line or weak, there is really nothing Nadal can do to hurt Federer because Nadal can never get the his feet set to able to pound the ball to make Federer defensive. Shot by shot, Nadal spends more energy with that exaggerated wing of his and has more court to cover given that he stays that far behind the baseline
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So you think Fed is a faster mover and better shot-marker (omni-dimensional) than Nadal, then let me know why he lost to Nadal on all three surfaces? Is that because Nadal has some supernatural mental ability which can mess up Fed's brain function at a key moment?
It is not a question whether I am ******* or not. It is all about how you analyze their match.
 
Perhaps by many ignorant dumb people. Have you no clue the adjustments a player has to make between grass, class and hard courts?

A one-dimensional player can play well on one surface only by hitting the same type of winner time after time.

Correct.
Career slam and one-dimensional player are the total opposites. That simple. I'd call one dimensional player the player that has success on only one surface. If one can make the adjustments from let's say HC to clay or clay to grass then that guy can make SUBSTANTIAL adjustments in his game.
 
The genius of Toni is to have you believe that you can not win this type of point; and trust me, Nadal does not want you to play this way with him all match even on clay, Nadal just want you to give up easily. Verdasco revealed it already:

"If starts from a neutral position in the rally and going side to side that each player has to dance around to get to ball each time and the ball is not landed short in the service line or weak, there is really nothing Nadal can do to hurt Federer because Nadal can never get the his feet set to able to pound the ball to make Federer defensive. Shot by shot, Nadal spends more energy with that exaggerated wing of his and has more court to cover given that he stays that far behind the baseline."

You have some very good points, but I only partially agree with you. Unlike most, I agree that Federer is being too aggressive and not playing patient enough. There is no doubt he is making too many unforced errors and this only reinforces Nadal's current tactics. I think taking a few steps back on returns (ala Murray) and waiting for better opportunities in the neutral rallies will be beneficial. I agree that this is not what Nadal wants - he would rather see Federer playing out of his comfort zone and going for broke than playing more patient. I also think there is a fine line between "patient" and "passive". I believe we are both against the "passive" mentality, where Roger seemingly waits for Rafa to miss. "Patient" to me means structuring points to develop or create opportunities rather then going for winners. Furthermore, "patient" play will depend on the form that day. If Roger is hitting his groundies well and feeling confident, then it's a probably a higher percentage play to go for more. If not, then he probably needs to back off a little. Unfortunately, Roger only seems to make these adjustments when he's behind in the score.

I disagree about the the current results in neutral points, however. I feel this is what has drastically changed in the last year. Nadal is winning the majority of the points that begin or become neutral, where in the past this was not the case (except perhaps on clay). Federer needs to make less errors and create more opportunities in these points. I also disagree that Nadal has nothing to hurt Federer. From neutral, Nadal has been able to consistently do damage off both sides, particularly when Roger is playing too passive. This is a big reason why he is not winning the majority of these points anymore.
 
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You have some very good points, but I only partially agree with you. Unlike most, I agree that Federer is being too aggressive and not playing patient enough. There is no doubt he is making too many unforced errors and this only reinforces Nadal's current tactics. I think taking a few steps back on returns (ala Murray) and waiting for better opportunities in the neutral rallies will be beneficial. I agree that this is not what Nadal wants - he would rather see Federer playing out of his comfort zone and going for broke than playing more patient. I also think there is a fine line between "patient" and "passive". I believe we are both against the "passive" mentality, where Roger seemingly waits for Rafa to miss. "Patient" to me means structuring points to develop or create opportunities rather then going for winners. Furthermore, "patient" play will depend on the form that day. If Roger is hitting his groundies well and feeling confident, then it's a probably a higher percentage play to go for more. If not, then he probably needs to back off a little. Unfortunately, Roger only seems to make these adjustments when he's behind in the score.

I disagree about the the current results in neutral points, however. I feel this is what has drastically changed in the last year. Nadal is winning the majority of the points that begin or become neutral, where in the past this was not the case (except perhaps on clay). Federer needs to make less errors and create more opportunities in these points. I also disagree that Nadal has nothing to hurt Federer. From neutral, Nadal has been able to consistently do damage off both sides, particularly when Roger is playing too passive. This is a big reason why he is not winning the majority of these points anymore.

Patient was what I meant, not passive or defensive. Yeah, Federer is just damned too stubborn sometimes, he doesn't want to make adjustment for anyone.

It is true that Nadal is able to win majority of this type of point from the neutral position lately, because Federer doesn't do the above and allows Nadal to dictate the play. Federer allows Nadal to pin him down on his BH by hitting back cross court to Nadal's FH (Nadal doesn't have to move much), like I said before, this favors Nadal's FH almost everytime; eventually, one of Federer's BH lands short in the middle of the court, and Nadal jumps all over it.

You guys keep misinterpreting what I stated before: when Nadal tries to break Federer's BH down systemically (pin Federer to his BH to avoid his stronger FH side), in that case it is Nadal's bread &butter loopy FH to Federer's BH, Federer could simply just topspin or slice down the line to Nadal's BH to get out of that kind of rally which favors Nadal. Nadal's tendency is always going cross court from his both wings (but down the line on passing shots), so Nadal's next reply should go to Federer's FH, at that point, Federer can go down the line or pin Nadal's to his weaker BH side (like Andy Murray did to him in the ABN Amro final, Murray exploits Nadal's BH better than anyone) with his stronger FH and let Nadal taste a dose of his own medicine. If Nadal doesn't go cross court, that is fine for Federer too, because he can shuffle a few feet to cover the down the line from Nadal, and flicks the topspin BH cross court or runs around to hit the inside out FH, in any case, Nadal would have to run. It is hard for anyone includes Nadal to pin someone down if he/she needs to move to the next shot. Like I said it before, Federer needs to make Nadal run, shot by shot, if Nadal stays that far behind, he expends more energy because he has more court to cover during this kind of exchange. The tactic is quite simple actually, just patiently keep hitting to the open court to make Nadal run, take out Nadal's legs in the process, and get ready to pound the weak replies from Nadal to make him run even more. Sometimes you don't want to finish the point right away when your opponent is on the run defensively, jerk him side to side to wear him down.

Now you know what I meant by "If starts from a neutral position in the rally and going side to side that each player has to dance around to get to ball each time and the ball is not landed short in the service line or weak, there is really nothing Nadal can do to hurt Federer because Nadal can never get the his feet set to able to pound the ball to make Federer defensive. Shot by shot, Nadal spends more energy with that exaggerated swing of his and has more court to cover given that he stays that far behind the baseline."


Make Nadal run all over the court, because of his style, exaggerated loopy swing from both wings and play from that far behind the court, he legs should be very tired by the time he gets to the semi and final in the majors.

If Federer wants to draw Nadal to the net, he shouldn't slice cross court to Nadal when Nadal stands on the ad court, slice down the line is better, on the run, Nadal's FH is better than his BH, whereas Nadal's BH is more steady/control and powerful with 2H when he doesn't have to move. Plus by geometry, Nadal has to run less to get to Federer's short cross court slice, and cross court slice take more time to pass the net than the down the line slice. Moreover, 2HBH requires more effort to scoop up the slice than the 1HFH especially on the run. Federer should get ready for the cross court 2HBH reply from Nadal, cross court goes thru the lower part of the net with more space to work with diagonally, whereas his 2HBH has to pass the higher part of the net and less space for down the line.
 
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Correct.
Career slam and one-dimensional player are the total opposites. That simple. I'd call one dimensional player the player that has success on only one surface. If one can make the adjustments from let's say HC to clay or clay to grass then that guy can make SUBSTANTIAL adjustments in his game.

Perhaps by many ignorant dumb people. Have you no clue the adjustments a player has to make between grass, class and hard courts?

A one-dimensional player can play well on one surface only by hitting the same type of winner time after time.



Explain what adjustment Nadal makes.

Why are you 2 focusing on the one dimensional stuff, just another plot to distract/divert? :wink:
 
So you think Fed is a faster mover and better shot-marker (omni-dimensional) than Nadal, then let me know why he lost to Nadal on all three surfaces? Is that because Nadal has some supernatural mental ability which can mess up Fed's brain function at a key moment?
It is not a question whether I am ******* or not. It is all about how you analyze their match.


Go read my reply on post #13, while at it, read the entire thread starting from post #1.
 
Andy Murray shows other people how to play Nadal in the ABN Amro final:

1) Serve wide on both sides to get Nadal out of position when Nadal stands that far from behind to return, occasionally down the line for service winner/ace to keep Nadal guessing.
2) Return Nadal's serves deep back to him, definitely not short.
3) Move Nadal around during rallies, and pick on Nadal's BH.

Players like Murray, Djokovic, Federer, Tsonga have the game and firepower to exploit Nadal like that. :wink:
 
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Explain what adjustment Nadal makes.

Why are you 2 focusing on the one dimensional stuff, just another plot to distract/divert? :wink:

Focusing on the one-dimensional comment because it was so completely asinine.

Nadal chooses his shot selection based on his opponent and the surface. He routinely uses topspin, slice, angles, dropshots, passing shots, lobs, etc. As a matter of fact, there is not a shot that Nadal doesn't possess in his arsenal.

How do you see that as one-dimensional? One dimensional means you do one thing well only and use that to win. One dimensional players don't win slams on all surfaces and reach #1 in the world.

So, now what is your evidence... please present it.
 
Andy Murray shows other people how to play Nadal in the ABN Amro final:

1) Serve wide on both sides to get Nadal out of position when Nadal stands that far from behind to return, occasionally down the line for service winner/ace to keep Nadal guessing.
2) Return Nadal's serves deep back to him, definitely not short.
3) Move Nadal around during rallies, and pick on Nadal's BH.

Players like Murray, Djokovic, Federer, Tsonga have the game and firepower to exploit Nadal like that. :wink:

All they are doing is making Nadal a better player. The guy adapts and recognizes when someone is exploiting a weakness of his. He thrives when he is challenged. When Nadal starts consistently flattening out his shots on surfaces other than clay... no one will beat him on a regular basis.
 
Hahaha..LOL... :lol: Let's see how Nadal responds to Andy Murray's challenge, but at the moment, Andy Murray is beating Nadal on a regular basis.


All they are doing is making Nadal a better player. The guy adapts and recognizes when someone is exploiting a weakness of his. He thrives when he is challenged. When Nadal starts consistently flattening out his shots on surfaces other than clay... no one will beat him on a regular basis.
 
Nadal plays the same kind of tennis on clay, grass, and HC. Why don't you come up with better evidence? While at it, go get a bud light to cool off, and try to get a date, otherwise your sister Kelly is going to keep making fun of you when you play with that doll of yours. :):lol:


Focusing on the one-dimensional comment because it was so completely asinine.

Nadal chooses his shot selection based on his opponent and the surface. He routinely uses topspin, slice, angles, dropshots, passing shots, lobs, etc. As a matter of fact, there is not a shot that Nadal doesn't possess in his arsenal.

How do you see that as one-dimensional? One dimensional means you do one thing well only and use that to win. One dimensional players don't win slams on all surfaces and reach #1 in the world.

So, now what is your evidence... please present it.
 
Patient was what I meant, not passive or defensive. Yeah, Federer is just damned too stubborn sometimes, he doesn't want to make adjustment for anyone.

It is true that Nadal is able to win majority of this type of point from the neutral position lately, because Federer doesn't do the above and allows Nadal to dictate the play. Federer allows Nadal to pin him down on his BH by hitting back cross court to Nadal's FH (Nadal doesn't have to move much), like I said before, this favors Nadal's FH almost everytime; eventually, one of Federer's BH lands short in the middle of the court, and Nadal jumps all over it.

You guys keep misinterpreting what I stated before: when Nadal tries to break Federer's BH down systemically (pin Federer to his BH to avoid his stronger FH side), in that case it is Nadal's bread &butter loopy FH to Federer's BH, Federer could simply just topspin or slice down the line to Nadal's BH to get out of that kind of rally which favors Nadal. Nadal's tendency is always going cross court from his both wings (but down the line on passing shots), so Nadal's next reply should go to Federer's FH, at that point, Federer can go down the line or pin Nadal's to his weaker BH side (like Andy Murray did to him in the ABN Amro final, Murray exploits Nadal's BH better than anyone) with his stronger FH and let Nadal taste a dose of his own medicine. If Nadal doesn't go cross court, that is fine for Federer too, because he can shuffle a few feet to cover the down the line from Nadal, and flicks the topspin BH cross court or runs around to hit the inside out FH, in any case, Nadal would have to run. It is hard for anyone includes Nadal to pin someone down if he/she needs to move to the next shot. Like I said it before, Federer needs to make Nadal run, shot by shot, if Nadal stays that far behind, he expends more energy because he has more court to cover during this kind of exchange. The tactic is quite simple actually, just patiently keep hitting to the open court to make Nadal run, take out Nadal's legs in the process, and get ready to pound the weak replies from Nadal to make him run even more. Sometimes you don't want to finish the point right away when your opponent is on the run defensively, jerk him side to side to wear him down.

Now you know what I meant by "If starts from a neutral position in the rally and going side to side that each player has to dance around to get to ball each time and the ball is not landed short in the service line or weak, there is really nothing Nadal can do to hurt Federer because Nadal can never get the his feet set to able to pound the ball to make Federer defensive. Shot by shot, Nadal spends more energy with that exaggerated swing of his and has more court to cover given that he stays that far behind the baseline."


Make Nadal run all over the court, because of his style, exaggerated loopy swing from both wings and play from that far behind the court, he legs should be very tired by the time he gets to the semi and final in the majors.

If Federer wants to draw Nadal to the net, he shouldn't slice cross court to Nadal when Nadal stands on the ad court, slice down the line is better, on the run, Nadal's FH is better than his BH, whereas Nadal's BH is more steady/control and powerful with 2H when he doesn't have to move. Plus by geometry, Nadal has to run less to get to Federer's short cross court slice, and cross court slice take more time to pass the net than the down the line slice. Moreover, 2HBH requires more effort to scoop up the slice than the 1HFH especially on the run. Federer should get ready for the cross court 2HBH reply from Nadal, cross court goes thru the lower part of the net with more space to work with diagonally, whereas his 2HBH has to pass the higher part of the net and less space for down the line.

I understand your approach, but again I don't totally agree. I do feel that moving Nadal more is helpful, but I don't think that will happen if Roger hits down the line most of the time. Hitting the backhand DTL will only open up the court for Nadal's cross-court BH. Granted, this shot will be to Roger's FH, but he will be the one doing most of the running (to cover the open court), not Rafa. Also, hitting up the line presents more risk due to the higher net and less amount of court to hit into. When Roger has tried this play in the past, his BH has often been short and very attackable. I also feel "pinning" Rafa in his BH corner is not a good tactic, particularly if you're hitting DTL. Rafa is more dangerous, in my opinion, hitting his forehand from the BH corner than he is from the FH corner. Here, despite the redundant lefty FH to Roger's BH, I think Rafa is more attackable. He hits more spin from this side and his FH DTL is not as good. That's why guys like Murray pound their two-hander cross-court and why guys like Blake and Roger himself have so much success with the inside-out FH. I agree that a cross-court FH exchange into Nadal's BH is often beneficial - it's just so hard to keep Nadal hitting BHs in that corner. He either takes the BH up the line to get a FH or if Roger hits DTL he looks to run around it and control the point with his FH. Once he does, he can hit the FH either way from this corner, which is VERY difficult to defend.

I also disagree that Roger can play Nadal exactly like Murray does. I definitely believe there some things he can incorporate, but I also feel that the two players are very different on the BH wing. The reason why Murray can hit DTL so much is that his BH DTL is so strong. He can flatten it out very well and immediately put Rafa on the defense. Roger, of course, cannot hit this shot nearly as well, and certainly not as well off of a heavy Nadal forehand. Also, the FH to Rafa's BH tactic (i.e. "pinning" Rafa in that corner) works better with Murray. Against Andy Murray, Rafa cannot take one of these forehands and hit a defensive slice up the line, or loop it safely DTL with the two-hander. If he does, Murray can just as easily take the two-hander and hit it hard & flat cross-court, again putting Rafa on defense and forcing him to his "weaker corner". It's ironic actually, but in some ways Rafa has the same trouble with Andy Murray that Roger has with him. The match-ups off the ground and the resulting tactics force many similarities.

Incidentally, this is why I feel Roger needs to remain more "patient". He can't play like other guys and his BH isn't strong enough to attack or even structure points like some of the other guys. He has no choice but to back off when the point is neutral, and look for a new opportunity. It's as though Nadal has hit the "reset" button, and the rally has just begun. I don't think going for broke will work, and I don't think any ONE thing is the key. He needs to hit deeper and maintain his neutral position in those rallies until it's time to strike. Just my 2 cents ...
 
Patient was what I meant, not passive or defensive. Yeah, Federer is just damned too stubborn sometimes, he doesn't want to make adjustment for anyone.

It is true that Nadal is able to win majority of this type of point from the neutral position lately, because Federer doesn't do the above and allows Nadal to dictate the play. Federer allows Nadal to pin him down on his BH by hitting back cross court to Nadal's FH (Nadal doesn't have to move much), like I said before, this favors Nadal's FH almost everytime; eventually, one of Federer's BH lands short in the middle of the court, and Nadal jumps all over it.

You guys keep misinterpreting what I stated before: when Nadal tries to break Federer's BH down systemically (pin Federer to his BH to avoid his stronger FH side), in that case it is Nadal's bread &butter loopy FH to Federer's BH, Federer could simply just topspin or slice down the line to Nadal's BH to get out of that kind of rally which favors Nadal. Nadal's tendency is always going cross court from his both wings (but down the line on passing shots), so Nadal's next reply should go to Federer's FH, at that point, Federer can go down the line or pin Nadal's to his weaker BH side (like Andy Murray did to him in the ABN Amro final, Murray exploits Nadal's BH better than anyone) with his stronger FH and let Nadal taste a dose of his own medicine. If Nadal doesn't go cross court, that is fine for Federer too, because he can shuffle a few feet to cover the down the line from Nadal, and flicks the topspin BH cross court or runs around to hit the inside out FH, in any case, Nadal would have to run. It is hard for anyone includes Nadal to pin someone down if he/she needs to move to the next shot. Like I said it before, Federer needs to make Nadal run, shot by shot, if Nadal stays that far behind, he expends more energy because he has more court to cover during this kind of exchange. The tactic is quite simple actually, just patiently keep hitting to the open court to make Nadal run, take out Nadal's legs in the process, and get ready to pound the weak replies from Nadal to make him run even more. Sometimes you don't want to finish the point right away when your opponent is on the run defensively, jerk him side to side to wear him down.


You need to watch their matches again starting with FO 2005. Federer tries to go down the line with his backhand quite frequently. But it's just not a very effective shot and either nadal still hits a forehand or he just hits a midpaced backhand up the line again to federer's backhand. When nadal does go back up the line to federer's backhand federer rarely has opportunities to run around the shot. It's just too difficult given the pace and location of the ball. This is actually a very safe shot for nadal, he rarely misses, and is crucial to how their matches play out because it limits the use of the federer forehand.

In FO 2007 federer's backhand down the line was quite good, had some pace and depth but nadal was still able to handle it.
 
Focusing on the one-dimensional comment because it was so completely asinine.

Nadal chooses his shot selection based on his opponent and the surface. He routinely uses topspin, slice, angles, dropshots, passing shots, lobs, etc. As a matter of fact, there is not a shot that Nadal doesn't possess in his arsenal.

How do you see that as one-dimensional? One dimensional means you do one thing well only and use that to win. One dimensional players don't win slams on all surfaces and reach #1 in the world.

So, now what is your evidence... please present it.

Nadal's game is definitely 1-dimensional. The interesting thing is that his one dimension is so good/powerful that he overwhelms players with it. Nothing "wrong" per se with being one dimensional - I suppose people can perceive it being negative but that really equates to not respecting Nadal's style of play. Also, one of the reasons that he is able to win on different on the modern tennis surface is because the surfaces have become slower than in the past - at least according to the pros and tennis commentators. This plays favorably for players like Nadal (and other players). First time in history that two Spaniads battled at the AO in the SF and first Spaniard in a long time since a Spaniard won the AO. Spaniards are better known for the success on clay compared to other surfaces. Thus, Nadal's winning on different surfaces is not because of Nadal's exceptional tennis skills alone. That is obviously the main ingredient. However, he would have had a very difficult time on any other surface other than clay when courts were not as slow.

As to every shot in the book: of course he has every shot in the book. So does any other professional player. Heck, I have every shot in the book as well but just cannot execute them as well as Nadal or Fed (millions light years away). Nor can Nadal execute every shot in the book with equal aptitude. His bread and butter is standing 2/3 meters behind the base line and getting everything back one more time with his tremendous muscles in his arms but more so his legs.

Once he gets an opening he goes for the winner but usually just outlasts everyone. In short, Nadal's basic game plan is based on getting the ball back in play (without floating it - what he really does wonderfully is going form defense to offense mainly due to his legs and whipping swings). Like Verdasco said, one has to come up with 3 winners in a row to get a point. I agree.

Those are the main reasons why Nadal is the best right now and one of the best in history: due to his one-dimensionality. Because he retrieves better than anyone else (the ultimate counter-puncher) and hits shots with tremendous top spin thus making rarely unforced errors. It is certainly not due to his multidimensional shot selection ability - i.e. serve, serve & volleys, slice-BH, chip and charge, etc. He can do all of those (as anyone else can as well) but that's not what wins him matches.
 
Balance of Offence and Defence

I understand your approach, but again I don't totally agree. I do feel that moving Nadal more is helpful, but I don't think that will happen if Roger hits down the line most of the time. Hitting the backhand DTL will only open up the court for Nadal's cross-court BH. Granted, this shot will be to Roger's FH, but he will be the one doing most of the running (to cover the open court), not Rafa. Also, hitting up the line presents more risk due to the higher net and less amount of court to hit into. When Roger has tried this play in the past, his BH has often been short and very attackable. I also feel "pinning" Rafa in his BH corner is not a good tactic, particularly if you're hitting DTL. Rafa is more dangerous, in my opinion, hitting his forehand from the BH corner than he is from the FH corner. Here, despite the redundant lefty FH to Roger's BH, I think Rafa is more attackable. He hits more spin from this side and his FH DTL is not as good. That's why guys like Murray pound their two-hander cross-court and why guys like Blake and Roger himself have so much success with the inside-out FH. I agree that a cross-court FH exchange into Nadal's BH is often beneficial - it's just so hard to keep Nadal hitting BHs in that corner. He either takes the BH up the line to get a FH or if Roger hits DTL he looks to run around it and control the point with his FH. Once he does, he can hit the FH either way from this corner, which is VERY difficult to defend.

I also disagree that Roger can play Nadal exactly like Murray does. I definitely believe there some things he can incorporate, but I also feel that the two players are very different on the BH wing. The reason why Murray can hit DTL so much is that his BH DTL is so strong. He can flatten it out very well and immediately put Rafa on the defense. Roger, of course, cannot hit this shot nearly as well, and certainly not as well off of a heavy Nadal forehand. Also, the FH to Rafa's BH tactic (i.e. "pinning" Rafa in that corner) works better with Murray. Against Andy Murray, Rafa cannot take one of these forehands and hit a defensive slice up the line, or loop it safely DTL with the two-hander. If he does, Murray can just as easily take the two-hander and hit it hard & flat cross-court, again putting Rafa on defense and forcing him to his "weaker corner". It's ironic actually, but in some ways Rafa has the same trouble with Andy Murray that Roger has with him. The match-ups off the ground and the resulting tactics force many similarities.

Incidentally, this is why I feel Roger needs to remain more "patient". He can't play like other guys and his BH isn't strong enough to attack or even structure points like some of the other guys. He has no choice but to back off when the point is neutral, and look for a new opportunity. It's as though Nadal has hit the "reset" button, and the rally has just begun. I don't think going for broke will work, and I don't think any ONE thing is the key. He needs to hit deeper and maintain his neutral position in those rallies until it's time to strike. Just my 2 cents ...

It makes a lot of sense to me. I feel that people over-simplify what Federer is facing. IMHO,Nadal is such a bad match-up for him that Federer has to have all his elements on as well as find a balance between offence and defence.

Federer's strategy at the final overall was fine. He was patient and his backhand coped well. His defensive game was good but the problem is his offensive elements were off-serve and FH precision.

Federer is not a machine, sometimes his elements fail him.

Still, he is an intelligent tactician for sure.
 
It makes a lot of sense to me. I feel that people over-simplify what Federer is facing. IMHO,Nadal is such a bad match-up for him that Federer has to have all his elements on as well as find a balance between offence and defence.

Federer's strategy at the final overall was fine. He was patient and his backhand coped well. His defensive game was good but the problem is his offensive elements were off-serve and FH precision.

Federer is not a machine, sometimes his elements fail him.

Still, he is an intelligent tactician for sure.

I totally agree. Finding that balance is the key for him, and I'm sure he realizes that. I also agree that he played an intelligent match at AO final. He hit his groundstrokes pretty well - especially the BH - and found new ways to hurt Nadal on the FH side and on the return. Overall, he made too many unforced errors in the process - and often on big points. This cost him the match.

One thing I would add, however, is that I am still a little surprised that Roger does not adjust better on days like these. Granted his "elements" did fail him, but I never felt like he was prepared to back off at times and find a different gear. In the neutral rallies, he was clearly making more errors than usual but he kept stepping into the court and trying to drive the ball. Clearly, this is a pretty good play against Rafa, but on a day where he was not "on" his game I would have liked to at least see an attempt to decrease those errors (i.e. taking a few steps back on the return, particularly on break points). Instead, I feel (as others have mentioned) that Federer is pretty stubborn and almost feels his game will eventually come around. This is where I think Roger needs to make a change. Nadal is one of the best counter-punchers of all time, and adjusts better than anyone on the tour. A lot of what it will take to beat him will depend on the "form" that day. Roger has many weapons, and I don't feel that they all need to be working for him to win. I just think he needs to be prepared to adjust (just as Nadal does) when something is not working.
 
Nadal's game is definitely 1-dimensional. The interesting thing is that his one dimension is so good/powerful that he overwhelms players with it. Nothing "wrong" per se with being one dimensional - I suppose people can perceive it being negative but that really equates to not respecting Nadal's style of play. Also, one of the reasons that he is able to win on different on the modern tennis surface is because the surfaces have become slower than in the past - at least according to the pros and tennis commentators. This plays favorably for players like Nadal (and other players). First time in history that two Spaniads battled at the AO in the SF and first Spaniard in a long time since a Spaniard won the AO. Spaniards are better known for the success on clay compared to other surfaces. Thus, Nadal's winning on different surfaces is not because of Nadal's exceptional tennis skills alone. That is obviously the main ingredient. However, he would have had a very difficult time on any other surface other than clay when courts were not as slow.

As to every shot in the book: of course he has every shot in the book. So does any other professional player. Heck, I have every shot in the book as well but just cannot execute them as well as Nadal or Fed (millions light years away). Nor can Nadal execute every shot in the book with equal aptitude. His bread and butter is standing 2/3 meters behind the base line and getting everything back one more time with his tremendous muscles in his arms but more so his legs.

Once he gets an opening he goes for the winner but usually just outlasts everyone. In short, Nadal's basic game plan is based on getting the ball back in play (without floating it - what he really does wonderfully is going form defense to offense mainly due to his legs and whipping swings). Like Verdasco said, one has to come up with 3 winners in a row to get a point. I agree.

Those are the main reasons why Nadal is the best right now and one of the best in history: due to his one-dimensionality. Because he retrieves better than anyone else (the ultimate counter-puncher) and hits shots with tremendous top spin thus making rarely unforced errors. It is certainly not due to his multidimensional shot selection ability - i.e. serve, serve & volleys, slice-BH, chip and charge, etc. He can do all of those (as anyone else can as well) but that's not what wins him matches.

You are still stuck in 2005. Time to update.
 
Nadal's game is definitely 1-dimensional. The interesting thing is that his one dimension is so good/powerful that he overwhelms players with it. Nothing "wrong" per se with being one dimensional - I suppose people can perceive it being negative but that really equates to not respecting Nadal's style of play. Also, one of the reasons that he is able to win on different on the modern tennis surface is because the surfaces have become slower than in the past - at least according to the pros and tennis commentators. This plays favorably for players like Nadal (and other players). First time in history that two Spaniads battled at the AO in the SF and first Spaniard in a long time since a Spaniard won the AO. Spaniards are better known for the success on clay compared to other surfaces. Thus, Nadal's winning on different surfaces is not because of Nadal's exceptional tennis skills alone. That is obviously the main ingredient. However, he would have had a very difficult time on any other surface other than clay when courts were not as slow.

As to every shot in the book: of course he has every shot in the book. So does any other professional player. Heck, I have every shot in the book as well but just cannot execute them as well as Nadal or Fed (millions light years away). Nor can Nadal execute every shot in the book with equal aptitude. His bread and butter is standing 2/3 meters behind the base line and getting everything back one more time with his tremendous muscles in his arms but more so his legs.

Once he gets an opening he goes for the winner but usually just outlasts everyone. In short, Nadal's basic game plan is based on getting the ball back in play (without floating it - what he really does wonderfully is going form defense to offense mainly due to his legs and whipping swings). Like Verdasco said, one has to come up with 3 winners in a row to get a point. I agree.

Those are the main reasons why Nadal is the best right now and one of the best in history: due to his one-dimensionality. Because he retrieves better than anyone else (the ultimate counter-puncher) and hits shots with tremendous top spin thus making rarely unforced errors. It is certainly not due to his multidimensional shot selection ability - i.e. serve, serve & volleys, slice-BH, chip and charge, etc. He can do all of those (as anyone else can as well) but that's not what wins him matches.

Ah, now he wins because he's a retriever on what have now become 'slow courts' :lol:

The excuses just keep coming! I don't see any other clay court specialists who likes/prefers slow surfaces rising to the top like Nadal. If anything, it's the complete opposite (Federer, Tsonga, Djokovic, etc.)

Some of you can continue deluding yourselves into believing he's a one-dimensional player while he continues to rack up GS titles ;-)
 
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Ah, now he wins because he's a retriever on what have now become 'slow courts'. Lol! The excuses just keep coming. I don't see any other clay court specialists who likes/prefers slow surfaces rising to the top like Nadal. If anything, it's the complete opposite (Federe, Tsonga, Djokovic, etc.)

Some of you can continue deluding yourselves into believing he's a one-dimensional player as he continues to rack up GS titles ;-)

No no no, it's not just that he is a retriever, it's that HE IS THE GREATEST RETRIEVER/counter-puncher OF ALL TIME! and saying he isn't one-dimensional means we are disrespecting his one dimensional style. That was a good one.
 
Ah, now he wins because he's a retriever on what have now become 'slow courts' :lol:

The excuses just keep coming! I don't see any other clay court specialists who likes/prefers slow surfaces rising to the top like Nadal. If anything, it's the complete opposite (Federer, Tsonga, Djokovic, etc.)

Some of you can continue deluding yourselves into believing he's a one-dimensional player while he continues to rack up GS titles ;-)

You are an thoughtless person aren't you? I said "one of the reasons" for winning is the slower courts. Go back to school and learn to read before you comment and get your fan-like demeanor out of your system before you respond.

These are not excuses but analyses. Nadal is no.1. There is a reason for it. Many reasons. As there are reasons for Sampras, Borg, Becker, etc. having such great players as well. Sampras - his s & v coupled by his FH. Certainly was not his BH. Becker even more so w.r.t. to his s & v technique and shear power. etc. In any case, the primary reason for Nadal's success is his exceptional tennis skills (obviously - but I'd rather not discuss the obvious) and his legs and retrieving power which overwhelm everyone.

Being one-dimensional is not a negative thing. It's like saying that Nadal hits top-spin forehands is negative. Of course he can hit other types of FH but obviously his main weapon is the top-spin FH. Get your perspective right and celebrate the uniqueness of Nadal and all top players for what they bring to the table.
 
Agreed, and if you read these boards you will see he's not the only one.

I am a Federer fan and I have to admit that even Roger himself suffers a little from this. Maybe he feels differently now, but I believe up until the AO final he still felt that a showdown with Nadal was a match he "should" win. It's strange that despite Nadal's position as #1 in the world, many considered Roger the favorite in Australia, and perhaps he did as well. I find this troubling as a Federer fan because until Roger realizes just how good Nadal is and how tough he will be in the future, I don't think he will ever solve this puzzle. I think a previous post (successortt) said it best ... "That's the difference between the two. Nadal knows he has to make something special happen, Fed thinks his normal routine can work." I think this is so true. Roger needs to realize that it will indeed take something extraordinary to beat Rafa and that HE is now the underdog. Maybe the loss in Australia will serve as a reminder ...
 
I am a Federer fan and I have to admit that even Roger himself suffers a little from this. Maybe he feels differently now, but I believe up until the AO final he still felt that a showdown with Nadal was a match he "should" win. It's strange that despite Nadal's position as #1 in the world, many considered Roger the favorite in Australia, and perhaps he did as well. I find this troubling as a Federer fan because until Roger realizes just how good Nadal is and how tough he will be in the future, I don't think he will ever solve this puzzle. I think a previous post (successortt) said it best ... "That's the difference between the two. Nadal knows he has to make something special happen, Fed thinks his normal routine can work." I think this is so true. Roger needs to realize that it will indeed take something extraordinary to beat Rafa and that HE is now the underdog. Maybe the loss in Australia will serve as a reminder ...

There is nothing strange about Roger being the favorite in a HC slam final with Nadal. All he needed is some free points on the first serve, plain and simple. I think it would have been enough if he wasn't missing 8 first serves in a row in important games.
 
Frustrations

I totally agree. Finding that balance is the key for him, and I'm sure he realizes that. I also agree that he played an intelligent match at AO final. He hit his groundstrokes pretty well - especially the BH - and found new ways to hurt Nadal on the FH side and on the return. Overall, he made too many unforced errors in the process - and often on big points. This cost him the match.

One thing I would add, however, is that I am still a little surprised that Roger does not adjust better on days like these. Granted his "elements" did fail him, but I never felt like he was prepared to back off at times and find a different gear. In the neutral rallies, he was clearly making more errors than usual but he kept stepping into the court and trying to drive the ball. Clearly, this is a pretty good play against Rafa, but on a day where he was not "on" his game I would have liked to at least see an attempt to decrease those errors (i.e. taking a few steps back on the return, particularly on break points). Instead, I feel (as others have mentioned) that Federer is pretty stubborn and almost feels his game will eventually come around. This is where I think Roger needs to make a change. Nadal is one of the best counter-punchers of all time, and adjusts better than anyone on the tour. A lot of what it will take to beat him will depend on the "form" that day. Roger has many weapons, and I don't feel that they all need to be working for him to win. I just think he needs to be prepared to adjust (just as Nadal does) when something is not working.

I agree that not all his weapons need to be on fire. Federer mentioned in his post-match interview that he won the second set when his first serve was below 40%, and implied that his tactic worked fine.

As for what your comment that he did not adjust better on the day, IMHO, on the contrary, he had put in great efforts to adjust. Have you ever seen Roger played so defensively on hard court? However, As you said, "Nadal is one of the best counter-puchers of all time", which means you can't win such an opponent solely on defence and he has to drive the ball when the opportunities comes. The thing is more than one key offensive weapons were missing on that day: not only his first serves were poor, his forehand was really inconsistent. Therefore, his driving ball was not all fantastic on that day.

If we could ever put ourselves in his shoes, we might be able to understand how much frustration was built up in the process. Roger is proud of his offensive game. He does not like to play defensively. Losing the opportunity to end the "torture" within 4 sets was too much for him... He completely lost the patience in the 5th set.

People are saying "Nadal is in his head". There is truth in that statement. But I also believe Roger lost AO match because he was upset that his most reliable weapons fail to deliver. He was more frustrated with himself than anything else... His crying and post-interview declaration " better players don't necessarily win" can be explained this way, in my opinion.

Roger is far more emotional than what he appears to be. I love him for this. But I would admire him even more if he can overcome these emotions. And I believe he can!
 
Frustrations

I totally agree. Finding that balance is the key for him, and I'm sure he realizes that. I also agree that he played an intelligent match at AO final. He hit his groundstrokes pretty well - especially the BH - and found new ways to hurt Nadal on the FH side and on the return. Overall, he made too many unforced errors in the process - and often on big points. This cost him the match.

One thing I would add, however, is that I am still a little surprised that Roger does not adjust better on days like these. Granted his "elements" did fail him, but I never felt like he was prepared to back off at times and find a different gear. In the neutral rallies, he was clearly making more errors than usual but he kept stepping into the court and trying to drive the ball. Clearly, this is a pretty good play against Rafa, but on a day where he was not "on" his game I would have liked to at least see an attempt to decrease those errors (i.e. taking a few steps back on the return, particularly on break points). Instead, I feel (as others have mentioned) that Federer is pretty stubborn and almost feels his game will eventually come around. This is where I think Roger needs to make a change. Nadal is one of the best counter-punchers of all time, and adjusts better than anyone on the tour. A lot of what it will take to beat him will depend on the "form" that day. Roger has many weapons, and I don't feel that they all need to be working for him to win. I just think he needs to be prepared to adjust (just as Nadal does) when something is not working.

I agree that not all his weapons need to be on fire. Federer mentioned in his post-match interview that he won the second set when his first serve was below 40%, and implied that his tactic worked fine.

As for your comment that he did not adjust better on the day, IMHO, on the contrary, he had put in great efforts to adjust. Have you ever seen Roger played so defensively on hard court? However, As you said, "Nadal is one of the best counter-puchers of all time", which means you can't win such an opponent solely on defence and he has to drive the ball when the opportunities comes. The thing is more than one key offensive weapons were missing on that day: not only his first serves were poor, his forehand was really inconsistent. Therefore, his driving ball was not all fantastic on that day.

If we could ever put ourselves in his shoes, we might be able to understand how much frustration was built up in the process. Roger is proud of his offensive game. He does not like to play defensively. Losing the opportunity to end the "torture" within 4 sets was too much for him... He completely lost the patience in the 5th set.

People are saying "Nadal is in his head". There is truth in that statement. But I also believe Roger lost AO match because he was upset that his most reliable weapons fail to deliver. He was more frustrated with himself than anything else... His crying and post-interview declaration " better players don't necessarily win" can be explained this way, in my opinion.

Roger is far more emotional than what he appears to be. I love him for this. But I would admire him even more if he can overcome these emotions. And I believe he can!
 
No worries

Nope. Did you watch AO 2009? You are still stuck in your imaginative world (wishful thinking world). How did Nadal beat Fed at AO? With the tactics I listed.

Nadal's game plan against Roger is pretty one-dimensional but really effective, due to the match-up.

But not surprisingly, his tactics do not work that well against Murray or Djoker. If Nadal has been working for 3 years to catch up with Roger, then Murray and Djoker(especially Murray) are catching up with Nadal at a greater speed.
 
Nadal's game plan against Roger is pretty one-dimensional but really effective, due to the match-up.

But not surprisingly, his tactics do not work that well against Murray or Djoker. If Nadal has been working for 3 years to catch up with Roger, then Murray and Djoker(especially Murray) are catching up with Nadal at a greater speed.

I agree with this somewhat. However, the emphasis here is on Nadal vs Federer - rallies can look pretty one-dimensional on any surface which bounces high enough (which is pretty much anything nowadays except for grass and a rare fast HC). That doesn't mean that Nadal's whole game is one-dimensional.

Last time I checked, Nadal > Djokovic - http://www.atpworldtour.com/tennis/...d/default.asp?playernum1=N409&playernum2=D643 As for Murray, he's been trouble for everyone on HC - Federer, Nadal, and Djokovic.

You can't edit your first 50 posts (or something like that)
 
I am a Federer fan and I have to admit that even Roger himself suffers a little from this. Maybe he feels differently now, but I believe up until the AO final he still felt that a showdown with Nadal was a match he "should" win. It's strange that despite Nadal's position as #1 in the world, many considered Roger the favorite in Australia, and perhaps he did as well. I find this troubling as a Federer fan because until Roger realizes just how good Nadal is and how tough he will be in the future, I don't think he will ever solve this puzzle. I think a previous post (successortt) said it best ... "That's the difference between the two. Nadal knows he has to make something special happen, Fed thinks his normal routine can work." I think this is so true. Roger needs to realize that it will indeed take something extraordinary to beat Rafa and that HE is now the underdog. Maybe the loss in Australia will serve as a reminder ...

On hardcourts and grass, I agree; you can't blame him, the matches have been close. But on clay last year federer realized he had to do something special or potentially end up losing another 4 setter. He tried some new tactics but they just didn't work.
 
As for your comment that he did not adjust better on the day, IMHO, on the contrary, he had put in great efforts to adjust. Have you ever seen Roger played so defensively on hard court? However, As you said, "Nadal is one of the best counter-puchers of all time", which means you can't win such an opponent solely on defence and he has to drive the ball when the opportunities comes. The thing is more than one key offensive weapons were missing on that day: not only his first serves were poor, his forehand was really inconsistent. Therefore, his driving ball was not all fantastic on that day.

If we could ever put ourselves in his shoes, we might be able to understand how much frustration was built up in the process. Roger is proud of his offensive game. He does not like to play defensively. Losing the opportunity to end the "torture" within 4 sets was too much for him... He completely lost the patience in the 5th set.

I was not implying that Roger needed to solely play defense. If you look at my previous post (off of which this was based) I defined a difference between "patient" and "passive". I DO agree that Roger will lose the majority of the points when he plays defensive or "passive." My point was that he should try to be a bit more "patient" (as was also mentioned by the OP) in his effort to create offensive opportunities. An example of this would be to take a few steps back on the return of serve, similar to Andy Murray, and hit a deeper return, rather than stepping in and trying to hit it harder. If I recall correctly, this is something he tried only once in the AO final - a point he won with the following shot.

I also do not pretend to have all the answers. I know I am not Roger Federer and I certainly realize that it must be frustrating to lose as he has. I also do feel that Roger has tried MANY different approaches against Nadal, most of which have only been partially effective. I also do not feel there is any ONE thing that will solve this riddle - I feel it will require a balance of offense, patience in the neutral rallies, and defense. I would just prefer to see a little more patience from him on days when he is not "on" his game.
 
You are an thoughtless person aren't you? I said "one of the reasons" for winning is the slower courts. Go back to school and learn to read before you comment and get your fan-like demeanor out of your system before you respond.

These are not excuses but analyses. Nadal is no.1. There is a reason for it. Many reasons. As there are reasons for Sampras, Borg, Becker, etc. having such great players as well. Sampras - his s & v coupled by his FH. Certainly was not his BH. Becker even more so w.r.t. to his s & v technique and shear power. etc. In any case, the primary reason for Nadal's success is his exceptional tennis skills (obviously - but I'd rather not discuss the obvious) and his legs and retrieving power which overwhelm everyone.

Being one-dimensional is not a negative thing. It's like saying that Nadal hits top-spin forehands is negative. Of course he can hit other types of FH but obviously his main weapon is the top-spin FH. Get your perspective right and celebrate the uniqueness of Nadal and all top players for what they bring to the table.

Perhaps you're confusing 'one-dimensional' with actually having a game plan that may differ depending on his opponent. When he plays Fed, his game plan is to hit high topspin to Fed's backhand. That's called smart tennis! ;)

He plays against Federer completely different than any other player because he recognizes Fed is a highly skilled player whose backhand breaks down easily under repeated pounding and intense pressure.

Go look up the meaning of one-dimensional... because you're not getting the concept.
 
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