My PUMA Holy Grail!

I bought several Puma Boris Becker Supers around 1990. They all came with little cardboard cut-outs with the Puma logo for stencilling. I never bothered using them. I imagine there are a lot of these around for people who care about stencilling their strings.

Chris: Would you mind posting the weights of your racquets? I have thought about buying some Estusa Beckers. The Puma's had the screw on the bottom, which I had to Super Glue in place to prevent the racquet from changing length during play. My understanding is that the Estusa doesn't have the screw and Becker's racquets had a non-functioning screw on the bottom.
 
Ted, I have sold all but one mint Winner.. So cant weigh any for you.. Yes, only the puma's had the screw (starting with the aluminum Puma Vilas with the plastic throat). And then moved into the gold and red Puma Vilas that Boris Becker actually used to win Wimbledon 85 (all be it, painted silver and red).

They also released the X-TRA POWER series in different colours and they also had the screws.. The pure white Ion Tiriac frame (same shape of the Becker series) didnt have the screw..

The Estusa's were mere copies of the Puma frames, and simply played nothing like the Puma's..
 
Thanks for the information, Chris. You have bolstered my suspicion that the Estusa's play very differently than the Puma's. TW sold the Bosworth Estusa Becker for $350 (U.S.). My guess is that it is very different from the consumer models.
 
Thanks for that.. It does look good.. I take it that is your collection?.. I like the Winner that you added there also! Problem is, Becker never used it!..
What was the difference between the Boris Becker Winner and the G. Vilas aside from the paint job?

My first decent racket was a Becker Winner, which I bought from a mail order company found in the back of a tennis magazine in 1987 (I was 12 years old). I actually wanted the Becker Super like my older neighbor had, but it was $60 and after a long time of saving money from allowances and mowing lawns and such, I only had enough for the Winner ($40), and summer would be over if I waited until I could save 20 more dollars. I still have the racket, and though it is pretty beat up cosmetically, it is structurally sound. I still use it from time to time, but the grip is too small (it is 4 1/2" while I use 4 5/8" now).

I always wondered what the deal was with the bolt in the butt of the handle. Does anyone know? Obviously it doesn't change the length of the racket like with the Super, it is just an ordinary bolt which can unscrew out completely. Printed on the racket is "Power Control System 3". What are they talking about? If the Super's "Power Control System" is the ability to change the length of the racket, then how can the *lack of* the ability to change the length of the racket also be a "Power Control System"? And how does the bolt in the handle, which has no apparent function, tie into this?

Later on in the early 90's, when I was working and had more of money to spend on a racket, I wanted to get a Becker Super, but there were none to be found. So I went with the Estusa Power Beam, which was the same mold, but with a different graphite/fiberglass composition I assume. I never cared much for that racket, though I still have it. Now, it looks just like this one which was posted by chris_in_japan, including identical text markings in the same spots:



However, it has slight bulges in the frame at 3, 9, and 12 o'clock, while the one in chris_in_japan's picture doesn't appear to (neither do the original Puma frames of course). The bulges at 3 and 9 o'clock are labeled "Kinetic Stabilizer". Does anyone know what that is all about?
 

bad_call

Legend
wow...the racquet has the same head shape as the Volkl T10V. i never paid attention to the different equipment back then. guess that design still works...for some of us...
 
got as puma 80% fiberglass yes you heard it right %80 fiberglass and %20 graphite. It it by far the most comfortable and most FEEL of any puma I have ever hit with with variable PCS, and I have hit with them all. let me know if anyone is interested
 

uabucks

Rookie
I'd like to try the Davis Cup model! If it is 80/20,
it has the same formula as the Estusa's. The Becker Super was
50/50. I have 2 Estusa's power beams and interestingly the
non-pro version
says special edition and does not have the stablizer bulges at
3,9 and 12--I aways wondered how that one played compared to the
others. Is the Davis Cup version stiffer than the Super? Spec's?

If you want to see a cool similar racket, check out my Kneissel White Star--
very flexy and very heavy. I'll post a picture later.
 

uabucks

Rookie
OOps--
I just reread yor post 80% fiberglass?
Is that possible--wouldn't it be too heavy?
I have hit with almost all of these, and the Super was so flexible
as to be almost unplayable, and I like flexy rackets. The Super is
also almost too flexy at times. The Estusa's, I found, are a litlle bit
more firm(the pro being firmer) which I think add to a little more control
(perhaps against conventional wisdom). How does the Davis Cup match
up to the Super, Winner, and Estusa's in playability--is it so mushy as
to be uncontrolable?
 

uabucks

Rookie
OOps--
I just reread yor post 80% fiberglass?
Is that possible--wouldn't it be too heavy?
I have hit with almost all of these, and the Super was so flexible
as to be almost unplayable, and I like flexy rackets. The Super is
also almost too flexy at times. The Estusa's, I found, are a litlle bit
more firm(the pro being firmer) which I think add to a little more control
(perhaps against conventional wisdom). How does the Davis Cup match
up to the Super, Winner, and Estusa's in playability--is it so mushy as
to be uncontrolable?
I meant the Winner was so flexy as to be unplayable.
 
I meant the Winner was so flexy as to be unplayable.
Puma made frame more or less the same shape how they differed was in the % mix of composition, ranging from Pure %100 Graphite to %20 graphite with %80 fiberglass. There are also the in betweens 80/20 60/40 50/50 40/60 The more fiberglass the more it is a noodle. Some like very stiff and some like very super flexible sticks. The blue puma is even more flexible than the winner. The blue puma offers more feel than IMO. The winner was very heavy more than the blue I will take measurement and post them. The PCS grip system on my Blue is 1/4
 
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javier sergio

Professional
I'd like to try the Davis Cup model! If it is 80/20,
it has the same formula as the Estusa's. The Becker Super was
50/50. I have 2 Estusa's power beams and interestingly the
non-pro version
says special edition and does not have the stablizer bulges at
3,9 and 12--I aways wondered how that one played compared to the
others. Is the Davis Cup version stiffer than the Super? Spec's?

If you want to see a cool similar racket, check out my Kneissel White Star--
very flexy and very heavy. I'll post a picture later.
I did not have the chance yet to play with the one I bought (Davis Cup model), I will post later about it but I can not compare it with any other Puma because this is my first one.
 
Puma made frame more or less the same shape how they differed was in the % mix of composition, ranging from Pure %100 Graphite to %20 graphite with %80 fiberglass. There are also the in betweens 80/20 60/40 50/50 40/60 The more fiberglass the more it is a noodle. Some like very stiff and some like very super flexible sticks. The blue puma is even more flexible than the winner. The blue puma offers more feel than IMO. The winner was very heavy more than the blue I will take measurement and post them. The PCS grip system on my Blue is 1/4
Seriously man, what is the blue Puma?.. Are you talking about the Boris Becker Super?;)
 
B

bobierbaum

Guest
custom Volkl Becker Winner/Super

I am a big Becker fan too.. always hit with the Pumas and Estusas.... I even rep'd for Estusa back in 95-96 range... have a Super and a flawless Winner hanging on the wall in my office.

Anyway, my latest project is creating retro paint job Becker frames. I began with the Volkl V-Engine Tour 8 (v-shaped Bridge creating a similar look to the old Puma frames.

I created decals and have a silver and red Boris Becker Volkl V-Engine Tour 8Winner and a Blue and red Boris Becker Volkl V-Engine Tour 8 Super. They look and hit great, as I prefer a tweener to a player's racquet and LOVE the pop Iget with the Tour 8.

Anyone interested in pics?
 

javier sergio

Professional
I am a big Becker fan too.. always hit with the Pumas and Estusas.... I even rep'd for Estusa back in 95-96 range... have a Super and a flawless Winner hanging on the wall in my office.

Anyway, my latest project is creating retro paint job Becker frames. I began with the Volkl V-Engine Tour 8 (v-shaped Bridge creating a similar look to the old Puma frames.

I created decals and have a silver and red Boris Becker Volkl V-Engine Tour 8Winner and a Blue and red Boris Becker Volkl V-Engine Tour 8 Super. They look and hit great, as I prefer a tweener to a player's racquet and LOVE the pop Iget with the Tour 8.

Anyone interested in pics?
Post pics please !!!
 

Dave M

Hall of Fame
Sorry to bump this up from the past but anyone know where to get grommets for the puma rackets?I just got a Becker "Pro" for £4.50 used obviously not a lot of white paint left but frame seems ok.I want to have a little hit but though it's recently been strung most grommets are split.
What did the screw at the bottom of the handle actually do?
 

biggsy

Rookie
what is it with these frames? i have met two guys that are practically collecting them. they warned me that if i tried one, i would never play with another racquet again! one of my freinds bought 2 K90's, but returned to his old Estusas and Pumas. He then swapped 2 K90's for ONE Estusa!!!!!...How crazy is that!!!!.....
i cant wait to use one of these monsters!!!
I found an old TW review of an Estusa....its overall score was.......85!!!!!!!!!!!!!
anymore info on the Pumas/Estusas would be most welcome
 

Crisp

Professional
Yes its the thread that never dies.... sorry to resurect but can any one tell me which is worth more the super or the winner Thanks in advance
 
^^the super because Becker played/won most with it:confused: if you tell me which has the best feel, mine:) the mid size blue puma, anyone email me if they want to try the ultimate in what a racquet should feel like (it is the holly grail in terms of feels), it has the most flex, it is like hitting with a butter or a noodle stick , not sure if there has ever been a frame with %100 fiberglass
 

FlogSinnet

New User
All I could say is that i feel better now that there are people out there appreciating Becker puma racquet and his unique serving motion. A bit weird in personality though.
 
^^the super because Becker played/won most with it:confused: if you tell me which has the best feel, mine:) the mid size blue puma, anyone email me if they want to try the ultimate in what a racquet should feel like (it is the holly grail in terms of feels), it has the most flex, it is like hitting with a butter or a noodle stick , not sure if there has ever been a frame with %100 fiberglass
Actually you don't know what you are talking about..

The most valuable is the Gold and Red Puma Vilas.. Becker won his first Wimbledon using this frame, but his was painted Silver and Red. It was after this they placed the "Boris Becker" lettering on the winner..

It was not until the next year or so that he actually changed to the Super.. Blue and Red... So if you want the grand daddy of them all, then get the Gold and Red Vilas, as that was what Becker "actually" used originally...
 

MRG

New User
Yes its the thread that never dies.... sorry to resurect but can any one tell me which is worth more the super or the winner Thanks in advance
you were asking about the winner (mass produced) and the super back to back not the vilas model correct?
 
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yeah the blue puma is the grand daddy of them all in terms of feel, Vilas played with it as well
But the one Vilas used was called the Puma Vilas, and had the same plastic bridge and set up.It was more of an aqua colour. I had one for a while. Not Blue Puma.. I would say the Blue Puma was an off-shoot from the original Puma Vilas..
 

MRG

New User
According to the following site, the first Puma Vilas used is Blue Puma. Anyone got some trustworthy and/or solid information to veirfy this?

http://www.80s-tennis.com/pages/guillermo_vilas.html

But the one Vilas used was called the Puma Vilas, and had the same plastic bridge and set up.It was more of an aqua colour. I had one for a while. Not Blue Puma.. I would say the Blue Puma was an off-shoot from the original Puma Vilas..
 

MRG

New User
Sorry mate. He used the aqua version "Vilas" frame. Not the blue.. I actually had a pic of it a while back... And even owned one for a while, as I did with the gold and red "Vilas" frame that Becker won the 85 Wimbledon with. I have since sold most of them off to a Chinese collector...
 

MRG

New User
According to that guide:

"Vilas himself played with a higher-end Puma model, not his namesake. (In 1986, Puma built a Vilas frame similar to the 1985 Colors series that Vilas used on tour, the teal/silver Vilas Power.) The higher-end models then were the Colors series, 3-piece frames largely modeled after the Volkls of that era (Black Puma, Blue and Red) with differing graphite quantities. The Colors series had the telescoping PCS handles. "
 
According to that guide:

"Vilas himself played with a higher-end Puma model, not his namesake. (In 1986, Puma built a Vilas frame similar to the 1985 Colors series that Vilas used on tour, the teal/silver Vilas Power.) The higher-end models then were the Colors series, 3-piece frames largely modeled after the Volkls of that era (Black Puma, Blue and Red) with differing graphite quantities. The Colors series had the telescoping PCS handles. "
You call it teal, I call it aqua.. But it definately wasn't the blue...

As for the rest, it doesn't interest me who Puma modeled themselves after..
 

MRG

New User
I personally have no doubt of the existence of the aqua version or the Blue Puma as I have seen them with my own eyes 20+ years ago in Puma Pro Shop in Hong Kong. But some information seems to point out that the Blue Puma came out earlier than the aqua Vilas. And Vilas himself might have used the Blue Puma first.

P.S. I just have not seen the Gold Vilas myself though I heard about it for quite a while.

Sorry mate. He used the aqua version "Vilas" frame. Not the blue.. I actually had a pic of it a while back... And even owned one for a while, as I did with the gold and red "Vilas" frame that Becker won the 85 Wimbledon with. I have since sold most of them off to a Chinese collector...
 
I am telling you, the only picture I have ever been able to find of Vilas using "any" Puma frame, is that of the teal/aqua one.. Sorry..
 
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