My service does not have the correct movement!?

Macedo

Rookie
Well, here is a video of me practising on 2010, 2011 and 2013. See the end of the video, my service looks better :)
I only do 2ºserves, I'm not secure doing a 1º and 2º serve. I have a tremendous 1ºservice, but I never apply it in games (Double Faults, Double Faults everywhere)
I Accept opinions, even if it isn't related with my serve motion

1º I know I have to jump more (I'm no longer competing, and I just practise 1/2 times a week)
2º...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kV4zGswSdpQ
 

Lukhas

Legend
Forget about your legs, it's not the main problem. Your right elbow is too high in your trophy pose. It should be parallel to your collar bone and away from your body.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGWyLmyWzvc
If you can't feel it, practise throwing (US) footballs or tennis balls high over the net.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EFWB18kPWY

EDIT: There's nothing wrong with hitting nothing but spin serves and "banish" the flat serve. However, you need better placement on it. Instead of labelling it as "second serve", try to think "aggressive spin serve".
 
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That's good tennis!

The serve looks serviceable as it is but if you want a more "pro" looking serve work a bit on the trophy pose like Lukash said. Your serve looks a bit like Wawrinka's, even the rhythm seems close so you might want to check some videos of his serve, there are plenty. At trophy pose when he stops/slows down, his right hand is in a different position compared to yours, more to the right of the body and more bent. Watch and you'll understand what I mean.

Of course you can go for a lower trophy position (Wawrinka's is pretty high) like your white shirt (blue strings) opponent has but that would be a bigger change.

This is a one of a kind video, a must watch for any technique enthusiast. It's somewhat related to this thread: Oscar Borras helping Nadal get a better serve http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GljqJv84tTI
 

Macedo

Rookie
Forget about your legs, it's not the main problem. Your right elbow is too high in your trophy pose. It should be parallel to your collar bone and away from your body.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGWyLmyWzvc
If you can't feel it, practise throwing (US) footballs or tennis balls high over the net.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EFWB18kPWY

EDIT: There's nothing wrong with hitting nothing but spin serves and "banish" the flat serve. However, you need better placement on it. Instead of labelling it as "second serve", try to think "aggressive spin serve".
That's good tennis!

The serve looks serviceable as it is but if you want a more "pro" looking serve work a bit on the trophy pose like Lukash said. Your serve looks a bit like Wawrinka's, even the rhythm seems close so you might want to check some videos of his serve, there are plenty. At trophy pose when he stops/slows down, his right hand is in a different position compared to yours, more to the right of the body and more bent. Watch and you'll understand what I mean.

Of course you can go for a lower trophy position (Wawrinka's is pretty high) like your white shirt (blue strings) opponent has but that would be a bigger change.

This is a one of a kind video, a must watch for any technique enthusiast. It's somewhat related to this thread: Oscar Borras helping Nadal get a better serve http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GljqJv84tTI
Roger that, working right elbow on trophy position! Curiosity: I found that I have differences between my 1º and 2º serve. My trophy position on 1ºserve (inexisting service, cause I don't do it in games) is almost correct, cause I have the concept of adding power, being more agressive (I do that motion of throwing the ball with no racquet).
Great video of Oscar Borras, beyond identify the error, he correct it step by step
 

mbm0912

Hall of Fame
That's good tennis!

The serve looks serviceable as it is but if you want a more "pro" looking serve work a bit on the trophy pose like Lukash said. Your serve looks a bit like Wawrinka's, even the rhythm seems close so you might want to check some videos of his serve, there are plenty. At trophy pose when he stops/slows down, his right hand is in a different position compared to yours, more to the right of the body and more bent. Watch and you'll understand what I mean.

Of course you can go for a lower trophy position (Wawrinka's is pretty high) like your white shirt (blue strings) opponent has but that would be a bigger change.

This is a one of a kind video, a must watch for any technique enthusiast. It's somewhat related to this thread: Oscar Borras helping Nadal get a better serve http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GljqJv84tTI
I enjoyed that video!
 
Better now? This was taken in the following weak

I take it that this picture was taken just after the trophy position, when the racket was beginning to drop. Anyway, aside from the foot fault, the position looks pretty good. Maybe point the tossing arm more skyward rather than so much forward and initiate the leg drive a tiny bit earlier, but you've definitely improved your right elbow position. Can you post a new video of your serve?
 
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Macedo

Rookie
I take it that this picture was taken just after the trophy position, when the racket was beginning to drop. Anyway, aside from the foot fault, the position looks pretty good. Maybe point the tossing arm more skyward rather than so much forward and initiate the leg drive a tiny bit earlier, but you've definitely improved your right elbow position. Can you post a new video of your serve?
Yes, one second after my trophy position. Then the racquet would drop a bit and I go forward with everything :)
Well, the weather in Europe isn't fabulous, black swell...always raining, impossible to practise without indoor
 
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Chas Tennis

G.O.A.T.
Improvements to video

I looked at the first 2 serves. The camera view cut off at the wrist.

If some of the serves show the ball impact please let us know the times during your video.

High speed video in necessary to see the most important and highest speed part of the serve - the racket approaching ball impact. If interested in a high speed camera that can show the fastest motions of your serve -
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=484212

See this serve thread and read some of the comments about the trophy position and the arm being too high as the legs thrust up.
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=481358&highlight=Pete+Sampras+serve+ellenbecker
 
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Macedo

Rookie
I looked at the first 2 serves. The camera view cut off at the wrist.

If some of the serves show the ball impact please let us know the times during your video.

High speed video in necessary to see the most important and highest speed part of the serve - the racket approaching ball impact. If interested in a high speed camera that can show the fastest motions of your serve -
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=484212
Go forward in the video, after 2:22 and 3:10
 

Chas Tennis

G.O.A.T.
Go forward in the video, after 2:22 and 3:10
Compare these videos to those after 2:22 and 3:10. https://vimeo.com/user6237669/videos

Shoot only on a bright sunny day so that the camera's automatic exposure system will choose a very fast shutter resulting in small motion blur. Place the camera behind the server looking along the ball's path. Frame to cover from just below the feet to just above the racket. Repeat serves of the same type and see if you can occasionally catch frames that show close to impact. Compare to those in Reply #11 of the other thread or videos in the Vimeo collection.

However, with a 30 fps camera, taking a frame every 33 milliseconds, you cannot see the racket acceleration develop to ball impact. That phase takes only 20-30 milliseconds total for a high level serve and is not visible to the eye or to 30 fps video cameras. 240 fps shows the service motion well, all except the details of the ~4 milliseconds that the ball is on the strings.
 
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